Randy Moss vs. Darrelle Revis (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?

What does everyone here think?

 

[TLEF316]

if i'm the jets, i put Revis on Welker. Moss is obviously a better player, but i think with the Jets pass rush, tight coverage on the underneath stuff is more of a priority.

as great as moss is, i'll take my chances with Rhodes or Leonhard helping the CB2 (sheppard or whoever else is out there) as long as Jenkins, Scott and the Jets D are getting the pressure i think they are going to get

 

[thehornet]

Moss>>>>>>>>>>Johnson

Brady>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Schaub

 

[dgreen]

If you're going to discount Revis shutting down Moss last year because of Cassel, then I don't see how Revis shutting down Andre Johnson with Matt Schaub is any different.

 

[The Real Yoda]

I could see a lot of those quick/short slants to Moss as the Jets apply tons of blitz pressure. Definitely not a consideration for my bench.

 

[packersfan]

If you're going to discount Revis shutting down Moss last year because of Cassel, then I don't see how Revis shutting down Andre Johnson with Matt Schaub is any different.

I think Schaub's more talented than Cassel. Just my opinion but I put more stock in what Revis did last week than what he did against a Bradly-less Pats team last season.

 

[TLEF316]

Jets also get Ellis back sunday (still no Pace though). I know he's not a great pass rusher, but it adds a little something (while not great, he has to be accounted for)

 

[Phlash]

I could see a lot of those quick/short slants to Moss as the Jets apply tons of blitz pressure. Definitely not a consideration for my bench.

This will be a great game. BB is no dummy and he has no problem sending Moss on drag routes or short slants. Revis is uber talented but will likely play it smart and stay back as to not get beat deep.

 

[dgreen]

If you're going to discount Revis shutting down Moss last year because of Cassel, then I don't see how Revis shutting down Andre Johnson with Matt Schaub is any different.

I think Schaub's more talented than Cassel. Just my opinion but I put more stock in what Revis did last week than what he did against a Bradly-less Pats team last season.

That's fine. But, the main point is neither are Brady.

 

[packersfan]

I could see a lot of those quick/short slants to Moss as the Jets apply tons of blitz pressure. Definitely not a consideration for my bench.

I wasn't suggesting Moss should be benched. Like I said, he's a plug-and-play fantasy WR without a doubt. I'm just wondering if Moss owners are lowering their expectations for him this week because of how good Revis is.

 

[footballnerd]

Does Revis shut down guys on a weekly basis or just the best WRs?

 

[packersfan]

If you're going to discount Revis shutting down Moss last year because of Cassel, then I don't see how Revis shutting down Andre Johnson with Matt Schaub is any different.

I think Schaub's more talented than Cassel. Just my opinion but I put more stock in what Revis did last week than what he did against a Bradly-less Pats team last season.

That's fine. But, the main point is neither are Brady.

Of course not. I never suggested that they were.

 

[JMJ]

Darrell Revis is the best (or 2nd best) CB in the NFL today. But Moss is the best (or 2nd best) WR in NFL HISTORY!

Moss will still get his, but Revis will keep him in check far more than his "normal" Moss output. I see 70 yards and a TD.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Revis is a great corner and there are other great corners in the league. But a great corner no matter how good they are can't shut down top end WR's like R. Moss, A. Johnson, Fitz etc by themselves.

For instance this past weekend Revis did not shut down Andre. The fact that Schuab had no time to target AJ was the story of that game. AJ is to talented and to good that if he is running a route and knows what route he is running there is very little any DB can do to stop him consistently.

So really it depends on the game plan of the Pats offense vs the Jets defense. The way the Jets played defense this past weekend I am expecting some di nk and dunk stuff underneath for NE using mismatches that way. And Moss may catch the odd slant, screen etc, but it only takes one play action or double move for Moss to get his.

Would it really surprise anyone to see R. Moss catch 6 passes for 110 yards and 2 td's this week? NO. Would it surprise anyone if he went for 4 cathces and 50 yards this week? No as well.

Start him and hope for a great offensive game plan and for the NE's offensive line to allow Moss to use his talent more than AJ's offensive line allowed him to do last week.

 

[encaitar]

I hate how everyone keeps talking about Revis shutting down Moss. Sure Moss had a tough time against the Jets, but that's because they bracketed him the whole day with Revis and a safety. It wasn't Revis shutting him down 1 on 1, although he'll tell you it was. They'll do the same thing this week. There'll always be a safety over the top and I don't expect Moss to have a HUGE day, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him catch 10 underneath routes just like last week. Plus, if they get anywhere near the goalline, I expect a fade or two to come Randy's way.

 

[harryhood]

NEVER sit moss when Brady is chucking it. That said I don't see the J-E-T-S getting beat deep by him. Double coverage and lots of QB pressure. Jets win it in a close one.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The other thing is don't expect to see the Pats run well. With a healthy Jenkins (and Ellis) the Jets are very difficult to run on; David Harris was DPOW last week, and Bart Scott probably should have been. With a very good front seven -- and two good tackling safeties -- the Pats will have to pass to win, IMO. Which should mean another 40+ pass day from Brady, which should mean at least normal fantasy numbers for all Pats receivers + Brady.

 

[Biabreakable]

I hate how everyone keeps talking about Revis shutting down Moss. Sure Moss had a tough time against the Jets, but that's because they bracketed him the whole day with Revis and a safety. It wasn't Revis shutting him down 1 on 1, although he'll tell you it was. They'll do the same thing this week. There'll always be a safety over the top and I don't expect Moss to have a HUGE day, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him catch 10 underneath routes just like last week. Plus, if they get anywhere near the goalline, I expect a fade or two to come Randy's way.

This is always the case w Moss. Doesen't matter who the corner is Moss must be doubled or your going to see open deep don't even bother that is my ball. He does this even with the double (sometimes triple) coverage.Really shouldn't have to say this.. but I will to cover the season.. DO NOT BENCH RANDY MOSS.

 

[The Moz]

Wow Moss is one of the top 3 greatest WR's to ever play football and still in his prime. Moss could light up Asomouga on any given day.. benching Moss ever is dumbassed.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

 

[The Chicken Roaster]

You guys need to read. The OP never said anything about benching him. But yet.. like 5 of you mentioned "Don't bench Randy Moss." READ the damn post. Anyways, I agree. I think he'll get more like 6-7 catches for 65-80 yards and a TD. Revis will definitely be a factor in this game, and so will the Jets blitz packages. I think this game will be very close.

 

[packersfan]

Why are so many people thinking this is a thread suggesting Moss should be benched?

 

[thehornet]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

 

[The Chicken Roaster]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

All I remember is Moss catching 5 total passes in 2 games last year against the Jets.

 

[Chase Stuart]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

That play was less than a month after Revis signed his rookie contract. He's become quite a different player since then.

 

[Sammy B]

I hate how everyone keeps talking about Revis shutting down Moss. Sure Moss had a tough time against the Jets, but that's because they bracketed him the whole day with Revis and a safety. It wasn't Revis shutting him down 1 on 1, although he'll tell you it was. They'll do the same thing this week. There'll always be a safety over the top and I don't expect Moss to have a HUGE day, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him catch 10 underneath routes just like last week. Plus, if they get anywhere near the goalline, I expect a fade or two to come Randy's way.

Good friend of yours?

 

[harryhood]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

That play was less than a month after Revis signed his rookie contract. He's become quite a different player since then.

Game 1 of his CAREER and he was given the task of covering Moss. I dont think Rex Ryan was cooking up those scheme's either, was he?

 

[thehornet]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

That play was less than a month after Revis signed his rookie contract. He's become quite a different player since then.

Game 1 of his CAREER and he was given the task of covering Moss. I dont think Rex Ryan was cooking up those scheme's either, was he?

Shall I dig through history to see how many experienced CB's have eaten from Moss?I didn't think so. Let's not play this game. For my sake of time and your dignity. JK

 

[Gr00vus]

Shall I dig through history to see how many experienced CB's have eaten from Moss?

Cannibalism isn't allowed in the NFL - though it may be one of few tactics that would slow Moss down. Another is playing for Oakland.

 

[MCguidance]

People need to calm down - shutting down a WR takes much more than one guy. Namely, it's solid play by the D line.

 

[TLEF316]

One of the game's premier WRs vs. one of its premier cover corners. Revis shut Moss down last season but I don't think that has much relevance given how that was with Matt Cassel at QB for the Pats and not Tom Brady. More relevant is the fact Revis took Andre Johnson out of the game in Week 1. Moss was a PPR god in Week 1 despite not scoring a touchdown as he caught 12 passes. He's a plug-and-play WR but do you think he can go off against Revis or will he get the Andre Johnson treatment for his owners in Week 2?

What does everyone here think?

Do y ou remeber that play where Moss burned 3 guys in triple coverage? If memory serves, it was Revis who he tossed aside and left in the dust just before. So what do I think? Moss will own Revis, just like he owns every other CB in the league

That play was less than a month after Revis signed his rookie contract. He's become quite a different player since then.

Game 1 of his CAREER and he was given the task of covering Moss. I dont think Rex Ryan was cooking up those scheme's either, was he?

Shall I dig through history to see how many experienced CB's have eaten from Moss?I didn't think so. Let's not play this game. For my sake of time and your dignity. JK

again, not sure where anybody said Revis was a thread to shut down Moss. Nobody is. He's better than all them. However, it would be totally foolish not to anticipate a possible dip in production for the week. Elite corners can slow down elite recievers. At this point, Revis is an elite corner.Of course, this is probably all irrelevant, as anyone who owns Moss is playing him every week, regardless of matchup. So this thread is nice to talk about, but in reality, it wont make a bit of diference in people's decision making.

God i really dislike Pats fans.

 

[Chaka]

Last week I would have at this question (in fact I did) but today, not so much.

Should be an interesting matchup.

 

[thehornet]

God i really dislike Pats fans.

Dirty Jersey at it's finest.

 

[chris sesno]

Moss. With Brady back under center, and Welker drawing a lot of attention from the D, Moss is always a threat to break some big plays.

 

[TLEF316]

Dirty Jersey at it's finest.

says the Patriot fan from Raider-land that doesn't know how to use quote boxes.

 

[njherdfan]

I don't think anyone could doubt that Moss's numbers will take some hit this week. No one is saying Moss will get shut down, but Revis is a top 3 CB in the NFL, and shut down AJ last week, and shut down quite a few receivers last season. With that being said, though, the real key to DB play is getting pressure on the QB. If Brady has enough time to sit back and let routes develop, the defensive backs are irrelevant. If they get pass rush, however, Brady will probably have to check down to his shorter routes.

 

[thehornet]

Dirty Jersey at it's finest.

says the Patriot fan from Raider-land that doesn't know how to use quote boxes.

hhaha, seriously, i dont know how to use the quote box when the reply gets too long.

 

[steelcityman]

Moss is a monster, you cant stop him 1:1, he's too big and quick. And it sounds like the NYJ safeties will be looking to hurt people so I expect Moss to get 2-3 deep balls this week. If he grabs 2, look for 150 yards, 2 TDs, 8-10 recpts. Nothing against Revis, but if you leave moss 1:1 along the sidelines and the Pats pick up the blitz....game over.

 

[drew726]

How much are you guys attributing what happened to Houston to Jet's defense last week? I didn't watch the game, so I don't really know.

 

[treat88]

Just a great match-up.

Elite guys on both sides of the ball.

If the OL gives Brady time, no CB that has ever played can "shut-down" Moss. Thing is Ryan knows that better than any of us. He'll counter with tons of pressure.

Kinetic chess at it's finest.

Great time to be a football fan.

 

[SportsMumboJumbo]

Just a great match-up.Elite guys on both sides of the ball.If the OL gives Brady time, no CB that has ever played can "shut-down" Moss. Thing is Ryan knows that better than any of us. He'll counter with tons of pressure.Kinetic chess at it's finest.Great time to be a football fan.

Honestly thats really what it cmoes down to. The Pats O-line is the key. If Brady has time he can do anything he wants back there with the talent around him. The defense is a little suspect, but the offense seemed to be in full gear by the end of last monday night's game.Answering the post question at hand: Got to go Moss

 

[jamil]

How much are you guys attributing what happened to Houston to Jet's defense last week? I didn't watch the game, so I don't really know.

a lot. they were unable to get in a rhythm all day. kris jenkins was in the backfield almost every play, just throwing chris meyers © like he was some high school kid. all the pressure came straight up the middle, the texans weakness.Schaub was very sharp in the preseason, but looked abysmal during the jets game as he had no time to throw.

 

[brednbuddah]

Dirty Jersey at it's finest.

says the Patriot fan from Raider-land that doesn't know how to use quote boxes.

probably never even been to jersey.

 

[Zow]

I've read every post in this thread and I'm not entirely certain what its purpose is yet. We're not going to bench Moss, and there are a variety of ways he may be slowed this weekend, but Brady to moss is awesome, and...

 

[packersfan]

Score another one for Revis.

 

[rufan]

Score another one for Revis.

Revis is very, very good. One of the top 2 corners in the league, if not the best.

 

[thehornet]

Score another one for Revis.

this was the whole team, not one player.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Score another one for Revis.

Revis is very, very good. One of the top 2 corners in the league, if not the best.

Right now I think only Nnamdi in Oakland is better. This Jets D is for REAL.

 

[packersfan]

Score another one for Revis.

this was the whole team, not one player.

The Jets played great but let's give Revis some serious props. He's faced two of the Top 3-5 WRs in the first two games and both of them have turned in stinkers against him. That's very impressive in my opinion. We saw how good Moss was in Week 1 and Andre busted out in a big way today. But when they faced off against Revis, they produced zip. He's one helluva CB.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Score another one for Revis.

this was the whole team, not one player.

The Jets played great but let's give Revis some serious props. He's faced two of the Top 3-5 WRs in the first two games and both of them have turned in stinkers against him. That's very impressive in my opinion. We saw how good Moss was in Week 1 and Andre busted out in a big way today. But when they faced off against Revis, they produced zip. He's one helluva CB.

Agreed, he is really good, but Brady as well as schuab last week were given no time at all to allow Moss and AJ be effective agains him. Credit Rex and his aggressive game plan as well as his trust he has in Revis to make plays. This kid can definitely ball though.