Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[Lemmiwinks]

 

[AnonymousBob]

If I could drop another scrub I'd grab him. There's not much that's worse than he is at this point in time.

 

[MLBrandow]

definite buy low.

In keeper leagues, he has tremendous value, as he'll be playing on a new team next year.

 

[Trasselkalle]

definite buy low.In keeper leagues, he has tremendous value, as he'll be playing on a new team next year.

Not to mention that Raiders just sacked their OC, replacing him with Shoop I believe it was. Well, it can't possibly get worse, so maybe Moss will do some good this years still with the fantasy playoffs comming up?

 

[MLBrandow]

definite buy low.In keeper leagues, he has tremendous value, as he'll be playing on a new team next year.

Not to mention that Raiders just sacked their OC, replacing him with Shoop I believe it was. Well, it can't possibly get worse, so maybe Moss will do some good this years still with the fantasy playoffs comming up?

I don't think he'll produce. There's always that chance that the one scrub team will get a fire somehow and get hot late, but I don't see it in the Raiders.And Moss is just kind of there... he doesn't care and he wants out. It's so bad over there, I hear he's been considering retiring.

 

[Trasselkalle]

definite buy low.In keeper leagues, he has tremendous value, as he'll be playing on a new team next year.

Not to mention that Raiders just sacked their OC, replacing him with Shoop I believe it was. Well, it can't possibly get worse, so maybe Moss will do some good this years still with the fantasy playoffs comming up?

I don't think he'll produce. There's always that chance that the one scrub team will get a fire somehow and get hot late, but I don't see it in the Raiders.And Moss is just kind of there... he doesn't care and he wants out. It's so bad over there, I hear he's been considering retiring.

Oh I agree. Moss isn't the type of guy to produce in a team that has lost the season. It was the same thing for the Vikings a couple of times (not as extreme as this year, though - just individual games at the end of the season then). However, there is always that unknown factor that makes at least me hold on to him just in case. Maybe he wants to put in some effort a couple of games now to really lay the blame on the last OC and playcalling (as he's been complaining the whole season). I suppose it might increase other teams interest in trading for him?

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I can't believe he's still owned in so many leagues. Must be the name?

I'd drop him for Nate Washington if he was available.

 

[davidwb]

i voted "no -- he's not on the ww" because i dropped him 3 weeks and another team picked him up...i got marcus robinson instead -- think i cam out ahead!

 

[Blackjacks]

If you think he'll go somewhere else....where do you think somewhere else will be?

Please New England

 

[renesauz]

As bad as he's been, in a twleve team start 3 WR league, he should still be rostered....

barely

 

[MLBrandow]

I suppose it might increase other teams interest in trading for him?

There's no reason to trade for him because his cap value (I want to say $11.7M next year, could be wrong.. but it's definitely insane) will force the Raiders to release him.Now, Jerry Porter probably will get treded.I don't think there's really enough of a market for Moss to garner a trade.

If you think he'll go somewhere else....where do you think somewhere else will be?Please New England

You know.... that's a pretty clever idea.Well, I suppose not. With Dillon, he wasn't really the bad guy. He also didn't have nearly as much baggage as does Moss. I don't think that BB likes guys with baggage... Dillon was a different case. He just got a bad rap for being pissed about playing for a losing team.Of 32 teams, I can't really think of one that jumps out at me as a potential suitor. I could see him going to the Chiefs or Chargers or even the Cowboys though. He'd definitely need to go somewhere with a nazi coach and an above-average QB, as well as a team in position to spend cap money. I don't think he'd sign with a Cleveland or Arizona.Well, Owens had ulterior motives when he signed with Dallas. Do you guys think that Moss hates Minnesota or Oakland enough to want to sign with a rival?I could see Moss signing with Detroit now that I think about it....

As bad as he's been, in a twleve team start 3 WR league, he should still be rostered....barely

12x5 = 60. Means every WR1 & 2 basically. I'd prefer a few WR3's over Moss honestly (Henry, Henderson, Bradley).... I don't think he necessarily would be. I mean, when you're league is that thin, (60 out), I think you keep him because he's so talented and has a screw loose... but starting?/I don't think many competant owners have him as more than a WR4 or 5

 

[Trasselkalle]

I suppose it might increase other teams interest in trading for him?

There's no reason to trade for him because his cap value (I want to say $11.7M next year, could be wrong.. but it's definitely insane) will force the Raiders to release him.Now, Jerry Porter probably will get treded.I don't think there's really enough of a market for Moss to garner a trade.< snip >Of 32 teams, I can't really think of one that jumps out at me as a potential suitor. I could see him going to the Chiefs or Chargers or even the Cowboys though. He'd definitely need to go somewhere with a nazi coach and an above-average QB, as well as a team in position to spend cap money. I don't think he'd sign with a Cleveland or Arizona.Well, Owens had ulterior motives when he signed with Dallas. Do you guys think that Moss hates Minnesota or Oakland enough to want to sign with a rival?I could see Moss signing with Detroit now that I think about it....< snip >

Solid point about his impact on cap. I think that was one of the key reasons for him not being close to a trade before the deadline early on in the season. It was just too much of a change for teams already in season. However, depending on who the suitors may be, Moss might be willing to discuss re-working his contract for his new team (purely my own speculation of what makes sense). If a superbowl contender starts asking, who knows? Especially with the success Dallas have managed to pull off with the high risk signing of TO, I think a couple of more teams may be willing to go the same route (possibly not until after being released from Oakland like you say, but still - I don't think Moss wants to go out with a fizzle).What's the cap situation in Carolina? Delhomme tossing to Moss and Smith could be insane and Carolina seem so much more willing to rely on the pass nowadays. New England? Yeah, but maybe not - they are spreading the ball around so much that I'm not so sure that's what Moss would want to see. How will Denver's cap situation be after Smith retires (I almost assume he will after this season)? Depending on how Cutler works out now in the end, I wouldn't rule Shanny out for anything and it would give Moss the chance to take potshots at Oakland after beating them a couple of times a season.

 

[Bull Dozier]

If Favre comes back, Green Bay seems a logical place for me, though I have no idea of their cap space. Favre coming back would be he's either in it for a) one more shot at a championship or b) looking to pad stats (that's a separate debate). Either way, if they want to add a player, Moss would be one of the few players that could actually help in one year. Favre would be able to get him the ball even if the Pack was bad, so he'd stay motivated. He'd have two games against the Vikes if that would motivate him. Seems to make sense to me. If they'll take a shot on Koren Robinson, Moss seems like a better risk to me given the higher upside.

 

[MLBrandow]

If Favre comes back, Green Bay seems a logical place for me, though I have no idea of their cap space. Favre coming back would be he's either in it for a) one more shot at a championship or b) looking to pad stats (that's a separate debate). Either way, if they want to add a player, Moss would be one of the few players that could actually help in one year. Favre would be able to get him the ball even if the Pack was bad, so he'd stay motivated. He'd have two games against the Vikes if that would motivate him. Seems to make sense to me. If they'll take a shot on Koren Robinson, Moss seems like a better risk to me given the higher upside.

Zero chance Green Bay signs any quality players like Moss until their President retires.I read a very good article a few months back showing how this guy (can't remember his name) wants Favre to retire so badly so they can rebuild that he's been trying to assemble the worst possible offense to discourage him from coming back, which he did anyway.1) Let go of his #1 without replacing him.2) Kept an injury-risk RB who looked to be on the downfall, dropped both solid backups.3) Lost both Guards, never replaced them.4) Drafted Aaron Rodgers5) Hired Mike McCarthy, who led what was statistically the worst offense of all-time over the course of two seasons at SF.etc etc etcAnyway, I'm pretty sure you can cross Green Bay off.I'd think Denver except that I'm not sure Shanahan wanted to land two elite WRs, just the one. He really wanted Owens, and when he couldn't get Owens, he grabbed Walker.

 

[ericttspikes]

Does anybody think Moss has to actually show something this year to get a decent salary next year, or will teams just pay him regardless. He is a steaming pile this year, why would any team pay him ever again? Just because he says he'll play better when happy?

I seriously don't think he'll score again this year, unless his agent tells him to at least TRY to showcase himself. The dude short arms everything and doesn't go up after it. Even the SD game, Brooks threw a jump ball into the endzone, and Moss swats at it. WTF??? Go up and get it. This guy is stealing.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Does anybody think Moss has to actually show something this year to get a decent salary next year, or will teams just pay him regardless. He is a steaming pile this year, why would any team pay him ever again? Just because he says he'll play better when happy?I seriously don't think he'll score again this year, unless his agent tells him to at least TRY to showcase himself. The dude short arms everything and doesn't go up after it. Even the SD game, Brooks threw a jump ball into the endzone, and Moss swats at it. WTF??? Go up and get it. This guy is stealing.

I think the best possible scenario for Moss next year would be to be cut by Oakland, and not get any top dollar offers and have to go out and play for minimal (for him) money in 2007 to earn a payday for 2008. The money, if nothing else, would motivate him and we'd see what he is capable of. If he still goes out and shortarms balls, then we can write him off. If he goes off for 1300+ and double digit TDs, then we'd know he was still Randy Moss.

 

[ericttspikes]

If he's on a WW and it doesn't cost much, it might be worth it to see what happens next year, but I wouldn't expect anyting this year except frustration. I've got him, and keep saying, "the second I bench him, he'll go off". Still waiting and guys like Henry on my bench are much more productive. Playing Moss last week cost me my matchup and possibly the season.

For all the flak TO gets, Moss is worse. The dude has ZERO passion for the game of football. TO at least plays like he loves the game. Moss is/was a physical freak, who so happened to be good at football. He doesn't seem to have a sense of history or pride. This is a guy who was on pace to shatter all WR records and he just blows it. Worst, he doesn't seem to care.

 

[ericttspikes]

Does anybody think Moss has to actually show something this year to get a decent salary next year, or will teams just pay him regardless. He is a steaming pile this year, why would any team pay him ever again? Just because he says he'll play better when happy?I seriously don't think he'll score again this year, unless his agent tells him to at least TRY to showcase himself. The dude short arms everything and doesn't go up after it. Even the SD game, Brooks threw a jump ball into the endzone, and Moss swats at it. WTF??? Go up and get it. This guy is stealing.

I think the best possible scenario for Moss next year would be to be cut by Oakland, and not get any top dollar offers and have to go out and play for minimal (for him) money in 2007 to earn a payday for 2008. The money, if nothing else, would motivate him and we'd see what he is capable of. If he still goes out and shortarms balls, then we can write him off. If he goes off for 1300+ and double digit TDs, then we'd know he was still Randy Moss.

Agreed, but I could also just see the guy walking away. He's getting money now, and if he cared about records he'd be out there trying. Does this guy really want a ring? I doubt it. What is his motivation?

 

[Lemmiwinks]

If he's on a WW and it doesn't cost much, it might be worth it to see what happens next year, but I wouldn't expect anyting this year except frustration. I've got him, and keep saying, "the second I bench him, he'll go off". Still waiting and guys like Henry on my bench are much more productive. Playing Moss last week cost me my matchup and possibly the season.For all the flak TO gets, Moss is worse. The dude has ZERO passion for the game of football. TO at least plays like he loves the game. Moss is/was a physical freak, who so happened to be good at football. He doesn't seem to have a sense of history or pride. This is a guy who was on pace to shatter all WR records and he just blows it. Worst, he doesn't seem to care.

And knowing all this you still start him over Henry?

 

[ericttspikes]

If he's on a WW and it doesn't cost much, it might be worth it to see what happens next year, but I wouldn't expect anyting this year except frustration. I've got him, and keep saying, "the second I bench him, he'll go off". Still waiting and guys like Henry on my bench are much more productive. Playing Moss last week cost me my matchup and possibly the season.For all the flak TO gets, Moss is worse. The dude has ZERO passion for the game of football. TO at least plays like he loves the game. Moss is/was a physical freak, who so happened to be good at football. He doesn't seem to have a sense of history or pride. This is a guy who was on pace to shatter all WR records and he just blows it. Worst, he doesn't seem to care.

And knowing all this you still start him over Henry?

I know, it's insane. I've had Moss since his rookie season. I still have visions of him dominating and him single handedly winning games. I even bought a toddler Moss jersey last year for my toddler. This guy has won me tons of cash in the past. I keep hoping the fire comes back for whatever reason. Maybe Sapp busts him in the nose, maybe he realizes he has to have stats for leverage next year. Who knows, maybe he is physically washed up? I'm going to play him vs. HOU. I figure if he is going to score again this year that will be the game. If he doesn't, I'm putting him down.

 

[JohnnyU]

If he's on a WW and it doesn't cost much, it might be worth it to see what happens next year, but I wouldn't expect anyting this year except frustration. I've got him, and keep saying, "the second I bench him, he'll go off". Still waiting and guys like Henry on my bench are much more productive. Playing Moss last week cost me my matchup and possibly the season.

For all the flak TO gets, Moss is worse. The dude has ZERO passion for the game of football. TO at least plays like he loves the game. Moss is/was a physical freak, who so happened to be good at football. He doesn't seem to have a sense of history or pride. This is a guy who was on pace to shatter all WR records and he just blows it. Worst, he doesn't seem to care.

And knowing all this you still start him over Henry?

I know, it's insane. I've had Moss since his rookie season. I still have visions of him dominating and him single handedly winning games. I even bought a toddler Moss jersey last year for my toddler. This guy has won me tons of cash in the past. I keep hoping the fire comes back for whatever reason. Maybe Sapp busts him in the nose, maybe he realizes he has to have stats for leverage next year. Who knows, maybe he is physically washed up? I'm going to play him vs. HOU. I figure if he is going to score again this year that will be the game. If he doesn't, I'm putting him down.

Will you dispose of the body yourself?.....or pay the Vets office to do it for a nominal fee?

 

[Slum Lord]

Zero chance Green Bay signs any quality players like Moss until their President retires.I read a very good article a few months back showing how this guy (can't remember his name) wants Favre to retire so badly so they can rebuild that he's been trying to assemble the worst possible offense to discourage him from coming back, which he did anyway.1) Let go of his #1 without replacing him.2) Kept an injury-risk RB who looked to be on the downfall, dropped both solid backups.3) Lost both Guards, never replaced them.4) Drafted Aaron Rodgers5) Hired Mike McCarthy, who led what was statistically the worst offense of all-time over the course of two seasons at SF.

Quality players like Moss? Is it still 2002? Its a pretty easy call that Greg Jennings (barring injury) will produce more from this point forward than Moss will, regardless of his situation. And, I hope you dont believe everything you read, because that makes NO sense at all. You dont do things like 'assemble the worst possible offense' if you want to look like a complete moron and get fired at the same time. 1. We didnt 'let go' Walker, he wasnt comming back, and blew his knee out. I wish we still had him, but Driver is a #1. He doesnt have Walkers potential, but he's solid. Jennings though, he could be special.2. Solid backups? Not watched many GB games, have we? Was Green a risk? Yes, big one. But he's looked great when his line is healthy. He did have 3 straight 100+ yard games before Tauscher got hurt. 3. After you paid your left tackle 50m, you cant pay a 33 year old guard with bad knees a 9m signing bonus, and off the top of my head i cant remember what the other guy got, but he got WAY overpaid and has been average at best since he left. I dont hear much raving for the Panthers run offense. Who they brought in last year didnt work, but the two drafted have played well this year. Again, Tauscher getting hurt has made a significant impact. Cant resign everyone.4. They had too. If they didnt and Brett retires, then you say the Packers are stupid because the didnt try to replace him.5. Well when your working with Aaron Brooks and Alex Smith as a rookie, what do you want?

 

[MLBrandow]

Quality players like Moss? Is it still 2002? Its a pretty easy call that Greg Jennings (barring injury) will produce more from this point forward than Moss will, regardless of his situation. And, I hope you dont believe everything you read, because that makes NO sense at all. You dont do things like 'assemble the worst possible offense' if you want to look like a complete moron and get fired at the same time.

I really wish I could find that article for you. It showed a chronology of events where Harlan (I believe is his name) orchestrated to have Sherman and others in the management fired to secure his own position, and then wanted to rebuild, and because he can't get rid of Favre, wanted to force his hand into retirement.At that, Moss is still a very good receiver. I don't think it's an easy call at all that a still largely unproven rookie in Jennings would outproduce a veteran like Moss.Jennings started off hot, but he hasn't caught a TD in well over a month, and hasn't topped 60 yards in almost as long.The problem with Moss is that he doesn't want to be on the Raiders, and so he doesn't care. There's a difference between not producing because you're old, and not producing becauase you don't have the desire.When he goes to a new team next year, you'll see a dominant receiver again.

 

[MagicMan]

I can't give him away