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Rank the Coaching Staffs/ Front Offices, Top 5 Bottom 5 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter pizzatyme
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Not including Ted Thompson and the Packers is ludicrous.
Go to PFF and review their GM/draft history article. Ted Thompson had the highest marks of drafting of any GM tenure in the last 15 years. It wasn't even close, actually. And McCarthy is a fantastic coach.
I can't think of any GM/coach combo that is better in the league, honestly. And you don't even have them in the top five? OK.
The Patriots are the only ones that could challenge for the top spot... they produce no matter what.
I wouldn't include the Colts in the top 5. They were insanely lucky to lose Peyton early in the year and then end up with the worst record, so they could take Luck. There was no drafting skill there. And they lost Arians as a coach. Plus the owner overrules the GM on roster moves, which is insane.
Mike Smith is a mediocre coach so I wouldn't have the Falcons in the top 5, either.
The Giants are off to an awful start but how could you not include them? They've won two super bowls in the last 6 years. Pittsburgh falls into that category as well.
Seahawks haven't done anything, yet. And they lost the GM that built that team. Why include them?
San Fran built a sick roster and they have a great coach in Harbaugh. They've had some injuries this year but they definitely have a top 5 roster, and a top coach.
Top:
Packers / Patriots
San Fran
Ravens
Giants / Pittsburgh
Bottom feeders:
Jags
Cleveland
Dallas
Raiders
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
I could be swayed to drop Atlanta and insert GB.
For all the high marks for Ted Thompson on drafting, why only 1 Super Bowl win?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
The Colts started last season with 35 new players on their 53 man roster. That's the GM, my friend. The Coaches got them to 11-5.
The Colts beat the 9ers in their house. Both teams have injuries. Colts> 49ers
seahawk 17
Footballguy
You have no idea what you're talking about...Seattle's GM took over in 2010 and I think there are 2 players remaining from the old regime if that. Here is a portion of an article I found.....
When he came to Seattle, Schneider overhauled the Seahawks roster. According to SportspressNW, he presided over 284 personnel transactions in his first year alone, and had made more than 500 moves by the middle of 2011.
Luck might be keeping them afloat, but the Colts absolutely do not have a better roster than the 49ers.
Maybe they string together a year or two of above-average play, but this team is not destined for greatness. Many of the impact players are free-agent signings. Do you know what that does to your long-term cap structure? And they lost a ton of valuable picks in the Richardson trade. Irsay is mortgaging this team's future to try to win in the next two years, which is absurd. That should be what the Patriots are doing, not the Colts. Irsay is going to run this team into the ground.
That's a ridiculous comment.... "only one Super Bowl win" .... LOL. How about, he WON THE SUPER BOWL? There are 32 teams. Winning the big one is a massive accomplishment. TT deserves a spot on this list for only one move ... sticking to this BPA philosophy and taking Rodgers while Favre was still on the roster. Is there one other GM in NFL history that would have done that?
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OK, I'm wrong on Seattle. I thought he went to the Jets recently.
The GM work should be up there, then, but I don't see the coaching aspect. I haven't been impressed by Carroll at all.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Good luck arguing with him, facts are meaningless. He will tell you Schneider started this year. Nice stat find!
pizzatyme
Footballguy
So if he has the highest marks for his drafts over the last 15 years and only has 1 SB win to show for it, it means every other coach should be ranked higher than McCarthy then? I mean if you have the best drafts and a great coach, you should win more than 1 SB.
Not impressed with Carroll? The guy is a great motivator and a manager of the locker room. That is huge in today's NFL. Also, he is a great tactician in regards to making adjustments at half time. You have proven you know nothing about this team, so not sure where your opinion on its coach should or would hold any merit.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Patriots
Ravens
49ers
Packers
Seahawks
Raiders
Jags
Cleveland
Cardinals
Bills
Ravens
49ers
Packers
Seahawks
Raiders
Jags
Cleveland
Cardinals
Bills
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree with this.Jewell said:
Random is random. Better to judge coaching staffs by wins and playoff appearances than championships, because the sample size is much larger. Just like in fantasy football, the best teams usually aren't the ones that win it all.pizzatyme said:
Also, no mention of the Broncos? Before the current coaching staff and front office were hired, the Broncos were 4-12 and considered one of the worst teams in the league. Since then, Denver has gone 8-8 with a playoff win... with Tim Tebow at QB... followed by 13-3 and the #1 seed, followed by standing as the best team in the league so far this season. If we're talking about the entire coaching staff, Denver has already had two of its coordinators land head coaching gigs (Mike McCoy in San Diego and Dennis Allen in Oakland), a third of its coordinators a near lock to land a head coaching gig this offseason (Jack Del Rio at USC), and a fourth of its coordinators a very hot candidate to land a head coaching gig after the 2014 season (OC Adam Gase).
Seems to me that the Seahawks, Niners, Packers, and Broncos have to stand head and shoulders above the crowd in "combined Coaching/Front Office" rankings.
TT has only been the GM since 2005. I said over the last 15 years... meaning they analyzed every GM from the last 15 years, and his tenure had the best average draft class of anyone. Any team, any GM, over the last 15 years. That plus McCarthy sleepwalks into the top 5.pizzatyme said:
Maybe "only" one Super Bowl in the last 7 years, but GB also has the highest winning percentage of any team since the beginning of the 2009 season. Laughable not to have them in the top 5 for coach/GM.
RevDawg
Footballguy
Cleveland does not belong on this list. I don't think we've seen enough from the current front office and coaching staff to make a judgement. Here's what we know:
Front office in Cleveland:
- Drafted Mingo, who appears to be the real deal
- Signed Brian Hoyer, who may turn out to be an NFL QB
- Traded Richardson, a ballsy move for sure which I personally like
Front office before Cleveland:
- Banner put together a winning tradition in Philly
- Lombardi was, well, Lombardi
Coaching staff in Cleveland:
- Has an improbable 2 game winning streak
- Turner and Horton are fantastic coordinators
- Chud is light years better than Shummer
Coaching staff before Cleveland:
- Norv couldn't win the big one as a head coach
- Chud and Horton were both celebrated coordinators
If you want to talk historically, absolutely, the Browns are bottom 5. Currently, no way you can make that call.
Front office in Cleveland:
- Drafted Mingo, who appears to be the real deal
- Signed Brian Hoyer, who may turn out to be an NFL QB
- Traded Richardson, a ballsy move for sure which I personally like
Front office before Cleveland:
- Banner put together a winning tradition in Philly
- Lombardi was, well, Lombardi
Coaching staff in Cleveland:
- Has an improbable 2 game winning streak
- Turner and Horton are fantastic coordinators
- Chud is light years better than Shummer
Coaching staff before Cleveland:
- Norv couldn't win the big one as a head coach
- Chud and Horton were both celebrated coordinators
If you want to talk historically, absolutely, the Browns are bottom 5. Currently, no way you can make that call.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
lost a ton of valuable picks (plural) in richardson trade?meyerj31 said:
they gave up a first...
richardson is 22 or 23, so if irsay is mortgaging future for next two years (which is absurd, to use your description), you are expecting he only plays until 24-25?
but than luck* is really old, so maybe you have a point?
* and hilton. and fleener. and allen. and DHB. that is a really old nucleus on offense.
what are the free agent signings that are supposedly going to blow up their salary cap beyond repair, like a ticking time bomb set to go off in a few years?
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