AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Just curious on your reasoning there. I'm not incredibly high on AP for the rest of the year either, but I'd certainly have him in my Top 15. That's all.Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Todem - Chris Johnson has been a shell of his former self for two seasons, so it makes sense that people would not expect him to win the job. And frankly, any halfway decent RB would be putting up similar stats in his situation. No offense but we laughed you out of the room when you predicted Landry was going to go off for 100/1400/14 and how did that turn out? I wouldn't go beating my chest right now about this one... If you make enough wild, crazy statements I guess one is going to come true in the NFL. Don't get too haughty about it or people will bring the other ones upI agree. People tend to get stuck in their preconceived preseason notions and ignore what's actually happening. Doug Martin is third in the NFL in rushing yards and most still don't consider him a RB1, because they didn't have him ranked there on the preseason cheatsheets. C.Johnson, Martin, and Ivory are all top ten backs this year.I totally disagree you think he will lose his job. Johnson is not a known fumbler. That was an out-lier. He is having a solid season and has been a monster pick up for the Cards. He is entrenched as their starter. And I was one of the very few (if any) that actually said he could win that job outright when they signed him. I laughed out of the room. We saw how that turned out.You disagree that he lost two fumbles last week? Or you disagree that Ellington and D.Johnson are talented?No......totally disagree with you.FF Ninja said:He just had two fumbles lost and has two very talented guys behind him. I could see him getting surpassed at any moment.Todem said:No one is even talking about Chris Johnson the rest of the way.
CLEAR LEAD BACK ON A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM.
#2 in rushing yards through week 8 and had a TD called back this week.
Strictly talking about this season in redraft.
Johnson is the handcuff to own in this situation as well. Ellington IMO is simply far more effective as a change of pace/3rd down back (I own all three of them). I think David Johnson would be given the first crack at the primary ball carrier job if Johnson were not healthy. Far better built for it.
Surpassed at any moment yet #2 in the entire league in rushing yards.
OK.
I'm guessing your starting backfield is McFadden and Lewis.My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Fair enough.Todem - Chris Johnson has been a shell of his former self for two seasons, so it makes sense that people would not expect him to win the job. And frankly, any halfway decent RB would be putting up similar stats in his situation. No offense but we laughed you out of the room when you predicted Landry was going to go off for 100/1400/14 and how did that turn out? I wouldn't go beating my chest right now about this one... If you make enough wild, crazy statements I guess one is going to come true in the NFL. Don't get too haughty about it or people will bring the other ones upI agree. People tend to get stuck in their preconceived preseason notions and ignore what's actually happening. Doug Martin is third in the NFL in rushing yards and most still don't consider him a RB1, because they didn't have him ranked there on the preseason cheatsheets. C.Johnson, Martin, and Ivory are all top ten backs this year.I totally disagree you think he will lose his job. Johnson is not a known fumbler. That was an out-lier. He is having a solid season and has been a monster pick up for the Cards. He is entrenched as their starter. And I was one of the very few (if any) that actually said he could win that job outright when they signed him. I laughed out of the room. We saw how that turned out.Johnson is the handcuff to own in this situation as well. Ellington IMO is simply far more effective as a change of pace/3rd down back (I own all three of them). I think David Johnson would be given the first crack at the primary ball carrier job if Johnson were not healthy. Far better built for it.You disagree that he lost two fumbles last week? Or you disagree that Ellington and D.Johnson are talented?No......totally disagree with you.FF Ninja said:He just had two fumbles lost and has two very talented guys behind him. I could see him getting surpassed at any moment.Todem said:No one is even talking about Chris Johnson the rest of the way.
CLEAR LEAD BACK ON A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM.
#2 in rushing yards through week 8 and had a TD called back this week.
Strictly talking about this season in redraft.
Surpassed at any moment yet #2 in the entire league in rushing yards.
OK.![]()
JNB - it's not a preconceived notion that Chris Johnson isn't as good as he once was. I honestly believe Ellington could do just as well as CJ if he takes over for one reason or another (no, I don't own Ellington in even a single league). They are both small backs and CJ is 30 years old. I wouldn't be shocked if the older RB breaks down soon under this workload or gets benched and Ellington doesn't give the job back. Plus, David Johnson is always around to vulture TDs which really hurts everyone's value. To me this situation doesn't have the stability I'd want if I was drafting a guy in the top 10 right now for the ROS. That's why he's not on my list.
To sum up:
-CJ is old, looked washed up for 2 straight seasons
-lots of talent behind him
-doesn't catch passes in this offense
-just fumbled twice
-has a goal line vulture
In PPR you missed a guy that has more points per game than every single one of those players not named Devonte Freeman.Banger said:Mine would probably be something like...
Gurley
Freeman
Peterson
Ingram
Martin
Miller
Ivory
McCoy
Hill
Hillman
Lynch, Williams, LMurray right in the mix with Hill/Hillman...tie breaker was TD opportunities.
Man, looking at that list is disgusting with respect to where they were drafted and this is the midpoint of the year.
You left off Ivory too (who is currently top 5-8 in most leagues).Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Foles couldn't have been worse against GB, and all Gurley did is run for 159 yards.Gurley is headed for some mediocre games, it's inevitable imo. Foles is not good enough.
As if that hasn't already been an issue these past few games. Right?Foles couldn't have been worse against GB, and all Gurley did is run for 159 yards.Gurley is headed for some mediocre games, it's inevitable imo. Foles is not good enough.
This is going forward not for what they have already done. I said that nice and clear at the very top of my list. It is also my list, not your list or anyone elses list.You left off Ivory too (who is currently top 5-8 in most leagues).Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Don't agree here. He's currently 10th in yards and is averaging 4.5ypc. Khiry Robinson is out for the year. Ingram will probably see more touches and more goal-line carries. I don't see how Ingram isn't a top 5-10 RB going forward this season.Ingram - Will need to find enz zone because yards won't be there
lol - lighten up Francis. Honestly, with ADP and Ivory off your list, it didn't seem like you had put much thought into it. To a certain extent, while you talk about "looking ahead", your list simply looks like a posting of this past weeks actual performances and how many will perform this coming week. I was just looking for clarification on thought and rationale. Not trying to get into pissing match with someone who is overly defensive about their admittedly subjective list.This is going forward not for what they have already done. I said that nice and clear at the very top of my list. It is also my list, not your list or anyone elses list.You left off Ivory too (who is currently top 5-8 in most leagues).Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Ivory is barely doing anything right now and his injuries are to his legs. But you are more than entitled to not take anything going forward into consideration and only consider the past games that mean nothing going forward.
It is all subjective, seeing as how no one had Freeman on their list to start the year, I think its funny people still claim that projections have to go a certain standard way of everyone elses.
So anyone who left Freeman off their list early this year put no thought into their lists?lol - lighten up Francis. Honestly, with ADP and Ivory off your list, it didn't seem like you had put much thought into it. To a certain extent, while you talk about "looking ahead", your list simply looks like a posting of this past weeks actual performances and how many will perform this coming week. I was just looking for clarification on thought and rationale. Not trying to get into pissing match with someone who is overly defensive about their admittedly subjective list.This is going forward not for what they have already done. I said that nice and clear at the very top of my list. It is also my list, not your list or anyone elses list.You left off Ivory too (who is currently top 5-8 in most leagues).Didnt know he had to be on my list. I think he breaks down. They run the crap out of him and he is already hurt he isnt find the endzone like he is a custom. He has some tough matchups too. He is my 16, better?AP isn't in there anywhere?My top 15 is from this point forward.
Gurley
Ingram
Lynch
McFadden
Miller
Freeman
Lewis
D. Williams
Martin
Hill
D. Murray
Gore
Forsett
C. Johnson
Stewart
Ivory is barely doing anything right now and his injuries are to his legs. But you are more than entitled to not take anything going forward into consideration and only consider the past games that mean nothing going forward.
It is all subjective, seeing as how no one had Freeman on their list to start the year, I think its funny people still claim that projections have to go a certain standard way of everyone elses.
PFF's worst players at every position this seasonFair enough.Todem - Chris Johnson has been a shell of his former self for two seasons, so it makes sense that people would not expect him to win the job. And frankly, any halfway decent RB would be putting up similar stats in his situation. No offense but we laughed you out of the room when you predicted Landry was going to go off for 100/1400/14 and how did that turn out? I wouldn't go beating my chest right now about this one... If you make enough wild, crazy statements I guess one is going to come true in the NFL. Don't get too haughty about it or people will bring the other ones upI agree. People tend to get stuck in their preconceived preseason notions and ignore what's actually happening. Doug Martin is third in the NFL in rushing yards and most still don't consider him a RB1, because they didn't have him ranked there on the preseason cheatsheets. C.Johnson, Martin, and Ivory are all top ten backs this year.I totally disagree you think he will lose his job. Johnson is not a known fumbler. That was an out-lier. He is having a solid season and has been a monster pick up for the Cards. He is entrenched as their starter. And I was one of the very few (if any) that actually said he could win that job outright when they signed him. I laughed out of the room. We saw how that turned out.Johnson is the handcuff to own in this situation as well. Ellington IMO is simply far more effective as a change of pace/3rd down back (I own all three of them). I think David Johnson would be given the first crack at the primary ball carrier job if Johnson were not healthy. Far better built for it.You disagree that he lost two fumbles last week? Or you disagree that Ellington and D.Johnson are talented?No......totally disagree with you.He just had two fumbles lost and has two very talented guys behind him. I could see him getting surpassed at any moment.No one is even talking about Chris Johnson the rest of the way.
CLEAR LEAD BACK ON A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM.
#2 in rushing yards through week 8 and had a TD called back this week.
Strictly talking about this season in redraft.
Surpassed at any moment yet #2 in the entire league in rushing yards.
OK.![]()
JNB - it's not a preconceived notion that Chris Johnson isn't as good as he once was. I honestly believe Ellington could do just as well as CJ if he takes over for one reason or another (no, I don't own Ellington in even a single league). They are both small backs and CJ is 30 years old. I wouldn't be shocked if the older RB breaks down soon under this workload or gets benched and Ellington doesn't give the job back. Plus, David Johnson is always around to vulture TDs which really hurts everyone's value. To me this situation doesn't have the stability I'd want if I was drafting a guy in the top 10 right now for the ROS. That's why he's not on my list.
To sum up:
-CJ is old, looked washed up for 2 straight seasons
-lots of talent behind him
-doesn't catch passes in this offense
-just fumbled twice
-has a goal line vulture
Upgrade for Andrews, too. Also potential downgrade for Miller if Ajayi's usage goes up as Campbell indicated.Upgrade for Starks, Blount, Langford,& D. Murray.
Downgrade for Lacey
Upgrade for Andrews with Cobb activated off IR this week? How do you figure?Upgrade for Andrews, too. Also potential downgrade for Miller if Ajayi's usage goes up as Campbell indicated.Upgrade for Starks, Blount, Langford,& D. Murray.
Downgrade for Lacey
I meant from the last few weeks we did this, but agreed that the recent Cobb addition may dampen that a bit.Upgrade for Andrews with Cobb activated off IR this week? How do you figure?Upgrade for Andrews, too. Also potential downgrade for Miller if Ajayi's usage goes up as Campbell indicated.Upgrade for Starks, Blount, Langford,& D. Murray.
Downgrade for Lacey
More Carries for Ajayi could be less for everyone else and have no impact on Miller. The knee jerk reaction to notes are far too often.Upgrade for Andrews, too. Also potential downgrade for Miller if Ajayi's usage goes up as Campbell indicated.Upgrade for Starks, Blount, Langford,& D. Murray.
Downgrade for Lacey
What is it with people just wanting to throw Miller aside all the time anyways?
Just go with the flow, bro. It's all subjective, right?I have never understood why criticizing anyone rankings even exists seeing as how they are never true to how results go and all subjective.
That's tough because do you consider one of Gio/Hill to be a handcuff to the other? Same with Hillman/CJA, Woodhead/Gordon, Lacy/StarksHow would y'all rank the handcuffs?
Jordan Todman should be #1 on this list and I dont consider Mathews a handcuff.That's tough because do you consider one of Gio/Hill to be a handcuff to the other? Same with Hillman/CJA, Woodhead/Gordon, Lacy/StarksHow would y'all rank the handcuffs?
Outside of those 50/50 split situations, I'd rank them like this (combination of situation and talent):
1. Mathews - probably top talent, one of top situations
2. Ellington - as seen above, CJ has been bad but still producing great FF stats
3. Coleman - not sold on talent, but situation is great
4. Bradshaw - maybe a little high, but he always seems to produce while healthy
5. ever controversial C. Michael - what can be said here that hasn't been said?
6. K. Williams - shown flashes
7. Spiller - would be much higher if not for bizarre usage
8. Tre Mason - looked decent last year
9. Langford - mediocre runner
10. Duke Johnson - has looked good in passing game
11. Ajayi - unknown
12. Sims - poor runner, good pass catcher
Most of the other situations are too murky to rank, like New England and the Jets (Stacy, Powell, or Ridley?).
I'd put Langford at #1. Because of Forte's knee and contract situations. Plus, he looked good as a runner and great as a receiving back Monday night. Also did a great job picking up the blitz. 140+ overall yards.That's tough because do you consider one of Gio/Hill to be a handcuff to the other? Same with Hillman/CJA, Woodhead/Gordon, Lacy/StarksHow would y'all rank the handcuffs?
Outside of those 50/50 split situations, I'd rank them like this (combination of situation and talent):
1. Mathews - probably top talent, one of top situations
2. Ellington - as seen above, CJ has been bad but still producing great FF stats
3. Coleman - not sold on talent, but situation is great
4. Bradshaw - maybe a little high, but he always seems to produce while healthy
5. ever controversial C. Michael - what can be said here that hasn't been said?
6. K. Williams - shown flashes
7. Spiller - would be much higher if not for bizarre usage
8. Tre Mason - looked decent last year
9. Langford - mediocre runner
10. Duke Johnson - has looked good in passing game
11. Ajayi - unknown
12. Sims - poor runner, good pass catcher
Most of the other situations are too murky to rank, like New England and the Jets (Stacy, Powell, or Ridley?).
Meh, Langford faced a cake matchup and only managed 72 yards on 18 carries. If he was playing Denver I'd be more impressed, but SD ranks dead last in the league in yards per carry (4.9). I think he's a flash in the pan. As for Forte's contract, I've been viewing this thread as a hypothetical redraft ranking.I'd put Langford at #1. Because of Forte's knee and contract situations. Plus, he looked good as a runner and great as a receiving back Monday night. Also did a great job picking up the blitz. 140+ overall yards.That's tough because do you consider one of Gio/Hill to be a handcuff to the other? Same with Hillman/CJA, Woodhead/Gordon, Lacy/StarksHow would y'all rank the handcuffs?
Outside of those 50/50 split situations, I'd rank them like this (combination of situation and talent):
1. Mathews - probably top talent, one of top situations
2. Ellington - as seen above, CJ has been bad but still producing great FF stats
3. Coleman - not sold on talent, but situation is great
4. Bradshaw - maybe a little high, but he always seems to produce while healthy
5. ever controversial C. Michael - what can be said here that hasn't been said?
6. K. Williams - shown flashes
7. Spiller - would be much higher if not for bizarre usage
8. Tre Mason - looked decent last year
9. Langford - mediocre runner
10. Duke Johnson - has looked good in passing game
11. Ajayi - unknown
12. Sims - poor runner, good pass catcher
Most of the other situations are too murky to rank, like New England and the Jets (Stacy, Powell, or Ridley?).
Karlos Williams at #2. McCoy seems to always be nicked up and Williams has shown he can produce.
Mathews at #3. Although Murray has been very durable the past two years. Mathews may be the most talented of all of these guys, but Chip signed Murray to a huge contract and he's not going to reduce his workload.
As is K Williams.I consider a guy a handcuff if you can only start him if the starter gets hurt. Mathews is startable now.
He and Stewart are my two targets after this weekend. After the Titans this weekend Stew faces the following ranked defenses in terms of points allowed to RBs (PPR): Skins (16), Cowboys (2), Saints (8), Falcons (13) twice, and Giants (14, and just lost Hankins). And he's averaged 22 rush/game the last 4.I have to think that McFadden with 25+ touches/game, no threat behind him (sorry CMike fans), Dez back and Romo on the way that he's got to be top 7ish, no? He's run for 110+ total yards/game over his last 3 and his matchups going forward are solid (TB, MIA, CAR, WAS, GB, Jets, BUF). Basically, one tough game vs. the Jets. I know he's an injury risk but I'm really thinking of putting together a package for him.
, and Lesean McCoy. In fact it's the most Cincy has given up all season.D.Williams does have a history of injuries and a current potential foot issue. Who's the backup? Todman or Pead?Jordan Todman should be #1 on this list and I dont consider Mathews a handcuff.That's tough because do you consider one of Gio/Hill to be a handcuff to the other? Same with Hillman/CJA, Woodhead/Gordon, Lacy/StarksHow would y'all rank the handcuffs?
Outside of those 50/50 split situations, I'd rank them like this (combination of situation and talent):
1. Mathews - probably top talent, one of top situations
2. Ellington - as seen above, CJ has been bad but still producing great FF stats
3. Coleman - not sold on talent, but situation is great
4. Bradshaw - maybe a little high, but he always seems to produce while healthy
5. ever controversial C. Michael - what can be said here that hasn't been said?
6. K. Williams - shown flashes
7. Spiller - would be much higher if not for bizarre usage
8. Tre Mason - looked decent last year
9. Langford - mediocre runner
10. Duke Johnson - has looked good in passing game
11. Ajayi - unknown
12. Sims - poor runner, good pass catcher
Most of the other situations are too murky to rank, like New England and the Jets (Stacy, Powell, or Ridley?).