Ravens not talking to Jamal Lewis (1 Viewer)

[fruity pebbles]

At 2.35 million, I'm not sure San Diego will tender him at the first and third level. A lot to pay a backup for a single year.

 

[Banger]

At 2.35 million, I'm not sure San Diego will tender him at the first and third level. A lot to pay a backup for a single year.

They could still trade him but they will be in control of where he goes. I believe Betts and Anderson are making that much as backups (could be others).

 

[fruity pebbles]

At 2.35 million, I'm not sure San Diego will tender him at the first and third level. A lot to pay a backup for a single year.

They could still trade him but they will be in control of where he goes. I believe Betts and Anderson are making that much as backups (could be others).

Betts and Anderson were or are seen as more than just strict backups though. Baring injury, Turner hardly ever sees the field.

 

[Bri]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

They don't have a choice really, it's like a tug-of-war with money moreso than a trade. Curtis Martin is the best example of the Turner scenario. The Pats would have never let him go to a division rival but they couldn't match the deal. Re-this thread, Mike Anderson seems like the type of vet you want teaching a rook the ropes. Blocking is often a sorepoint with rookie RBs and here's a former FB. His team attitude is great, his work ethic is very good. They also need $ for their free agents and losing Adalius would be a big hit to that D. It might be the best option to draft a rookie RB rather than UFA, it'd likely be far cheaper.

 

[Banger]

At 2.35 million, I'm not sure San Diego will tender him at the first and third level. A lot to pay a backup for a single year.

They could still trade him but they will be in control of where he goes. I believe Betts and Anderson are making that much as backups (could be others).

Betts and Anderson were or are seen as more than just strict backups though. Baring injury, Turner hardly ever sees the field.

Turner had 83 touches compared to 48 for MA last year. Turner is an insurance policy. He'd be the best backup in the league. Turner >> Betts or MA he just happens to play behind the best RB of the last decade.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Lewis is washed up at the ripe old age of 27. I think it's very hard for fans to think he isn't the same player as a few years ago. He's averaged 3.4 and 3.6 ypc the last 2 years. Yes, he had over 1100 yds and 9 tds in 2006, but to me, it's the ypc that tell the tale. He had 2 100 yd games in 2005 and 2 in 2006. That is as bad as bad can be.

It can get worse and it will. I think this is going to end like Eddie George's career, but a year or two earlier.

 

[zamboni]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

Agreed - it depends on whether the additional 3rd is part of the tender. Certainly possible, but I don't think a done deal by any stretch. I'm sure AJ Smith is weighing whether he really wants to keep him versus the fact that he might be able to get a 1st for MT. Part of the equation is that if the tender is 1st/3rd, he won't get as much either via trade or as compensation next year when MT presumably leaves.

 

[Bri]

Part of the equation is that if the tender is 1st/3rd, he won't get as much either via trade or as compensation next year when MT presumably leaves.

compensation, I believe, is at most a 3rd when a free agent leaves

 

[Rovers]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

I expect to see the high tender on Turner as well, but that will be done to ward off any uninvited bids on him. SD will deal him for a one.... and will be shopping around to see what teams are interested and where they draft in the first round. AJ Smith can be an idiot when it comes to deals like this however, and might ask for much more than any team would (or should) offer. If SD can get a one for him this year, vs. losing him for nothing next year, and kept him, that would be incredibly stupid.

 

[Banger]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

I expect to see the high tender on Turner as well, but that will be done to ward off any uninvited bids on him. SD will deal him for a one.... and will be shopping around to see what teams are interested and where they draft in the first round. AJ Smith can be an idiot when it comes to deals like this however, and might ask for much more than any team would (or should) offer. If SD can get a one for him this year, vs. losing him for nothing next year, and kept him, that would be incredibly stupid.

Agree completely.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

I expect to see the high tender on Turner as well, but that will be done to ward off any uninvited bids on him. SD will deal him for a one.... and will be shopping around to see what teams are interested and where they draft in the first round. AJ Smith can be an idiot when it comes to deals like this however, and might ask for much more than any team would (or should) offer. If SD can get a one for him this year, vs. losing him for nothing next year, and kept him, that would be incredibly stupid.

If they do that, I think it's a sure sign that they'll be looking to deal him. I just can't see them paying him 2.35 million when they would have no further future with him after this year. That's almost half what Tomlinson's going to be making in 2007. Could be wrong though.

 

[zamboni]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

I expect to see the high tender on Turner as well, but that will be done to ward off any uninvited bids on him. SD will deal him for a one.... and will be shopping around to see what teams are interested and where they draft in the first round. AJ Smith can be an idiot when it comes to deals like this however, and might ask for much more than any team would (or should) offer. If SD can get a one for him this year, vs. losing him for nothing next year, and kept him, that would be incredibly stupid.

They would still get some compensation next year, although as Bri mentioned above, probably a 3rd max. As for the 1st/3rd tender, you're probably right, although there's no guarantee that a team will nibble at a 1st. That has to play into AJ's thought process as well.

 

[msommer]

I believe any compesation for letting Turner walk after the 2007 season will only be for the 2009 draft

 

[massraider]

Michael Turner would be a nice fit...............just saying :(

I'm sure they'd love to have him but I don't see the Chargers dealing him to Balt.

Given that the Ravens are picking at the bottom of the 1st round though, they could certainly use that pick to sign him away. The money could be an issue though, depending on what it takes for SD not to match.

I'd expect SD to put the 1st and 3rd round tender on him which will make it too expensive IMO. If he's tendered at just a 1st I'd expect the Ravens to seriously consider grabbing him.

I expect to see the high tender on Turner as well, but that will be done to ward off any uninvited bids on him. SD will deal him for a one.... and will be shopping around to see what teams are interested and where they draft in the first round. AJ Smith can be an idiot when it comes to deals like this however, and might ask for much more than any team would (or should) offer. If SD can get a one for him this year, vs. losing him for nothing next year, and kept him, that would be incredibly stupid.

They would still get some compensation next year, although as Bri mentioned above, probably a 3rd max. As for the 1st/3rd tender, you're probably right, although there's no guarantee that a team will nibble at a 1st. That has to play into AJ's thought process as well.

They're not guaranteed to get anything at all. The formula for assigning compensatory picks is secret, but it at least partly involves what the Charges do themselves in FA next year. If they sign more than they lose, so to speak, they may not get anything at all.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

So what do you guys think is the order for the next Ravens RB?

1. Not on the roster yet

2. M.Smith

3. Anderson

4. P.J. Daniels

Those are mine but I don't have a clue.

 

[Sheriff66]

I wouldn't mind Pittsburgh bringing him into the fold for the right price, I think he would still be a excellent complement to Parker.

 

[The Hank]

Ravens | J. Lewis to be released

Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:52:02 -0800

Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports the Baltimore Ravens are expected to release RB Jamal Lewis before he is due a $5 million roster bonus in March. If the Ravens cut Lewis, they are expected to save $3.3 million in salary cap room.

 

[zamboni]

So what do you guys think is the order for the next Ravens RB?1. Not on the roster yet2. M.Smith3. Anderson4. P.J. DanielsThose are mine but I don't have a clue.

Agreed, although I don't see options 2, 3 or 4 as likely. My guess is that they'll draft one with their late 1st rounder. Using that pick to offer for Turner is another possibility, albeit a long shot IMO.

 

[perry147]

So what do you guys think is the order for the next Ravens RB?1. Not on the roster yet2. M.Smith3. Anderson4. P.J. DanielsThose are mine but I don't have a clue.

Agreed, although I don't see options 2, 3 or 4 as likely. My guess is that they'll draft one with their late 1st rounder. Using that pick to offer for Turner is another possibility, albeit a long shot IMO.

At their current draft position (near the end of the first round) there is not a RB available coming out of college who is better then Turner. I give it a 50-50 shot that Turner gets traded to the Ravens.

 

[zamboni]

So what do you guys think is the order for the next Ravens RB?1. Not on the roster yet2. M.Smith3. Anderson4. P.J. DanielsThose are mine but I don't have a clue.

Agreed, although I don't see options 2, 3 or 4 as likely. My guess is that they'll draft one with their late 1st rounder. Using that pick to offer for Turner is another possibility, albeit a long shot IMO.

At their current draft position (near the end of the first round) there is not a RB available coming out of college who is better then Turner. I give it a 50-50 shot that Turner gets traded to the Ravens.

I don't disagree, but on the other hand, it's hard to imagine them trading him to the team they were battling for the #1 seed in the AFC. If anything, I could see the Ravens trying to sign him away with that same #1, although as noted ad nauseum, it depends whether MT gets a 1st and 3rd tender.

 

[Gr00vus]

At their current draft position (near the end of the first round) there is not a RB available coming out of college who is better then Turner.

Agree

I give it a 50-50 shot that Turner gets traded to the Ravens.

What do the Ravens have to offer that would entice the Chargers to trade Turner to one of their main competitors for the AFC crown next year?

 

[perry147]

So what do you guys think is the order for the next Ravens RB?1. Not on the roster yet2. M.Smith3. Anderson4. P.J. DanielsThose are mine but I don't have a clue.

Agreed, although I don't see options 2, 3 or 4 as likely. My guess is that they'll draft one with their late 1st rounder. Using that pick to offer for Turner is another possibility, albeit a long shot IMO.

At their current draft position (near the end of the first round) there is not a RB available coming out of college who is better then Turner. I give it a 50-50 shot that Turner gets traded to the Ravens.

I don't disagree, but on the other hand, it's hard to imagine them trading him to the team they were battling for the #1 seed in the AFC. If anything, I could see the Ravens trying to sign him away with that same #1, although as noted ad nauseum, it depends whether MT gets a 1st and 3rd tender.

I think the Charger put a 1st and 3rd tender on him but trade him on draft day for a 1st.Is this legal?

 

[Gr00vus]

I think the Charger put a 1st and 3rd tender on him but trade him on draft day for a 1st.Is this legal?

As long as no one exceeds the offer and Turner accepts, in which case the Chargers get the 1st and 3rd from that team.I still don't see him getting traded to the Ravens by the Chargers - the Ravens may do the above however.

 

[Warpig]

I've seen mock drafts showing the ravens taking Michael Bush in the 2nd round.

How does Bush stack up in comparison to Ron Dayne? It seems like if you are a big back, you are destined to failure as a featured tailback in the NFL...unless your name is Jerome Bettis.

And one of the knocks I've heard about Bush is his upright running (probably from his days as a QB).

Baltimore would probably be the ideal place for him to land, but I'm trying to predict his level of success at the next level. Would you be happy if he ended up another Brandon Jacobs...just a goalline pounder?

 

[Rovers]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:

SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third.

A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal.

Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future.

Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

 

[massraider]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third. A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal. Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future. Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

Which is why I don't think he'll get that deal. He'll get a solid deal, but not some Clinton Portis deal. He's an intriguing backup RB right now, I can't see him getting a mega-deal.

 

[BoltBacker]

Which is why I don't think he'll get that deal. He'll get a solid deal, but not some Clinton Portis deal. He's an intriguing backup RB right now, I can't see him getting a mega-deal.

IMO he's better than Lamont Jordan was in NY. I wouldn't be surprised if Turner signs a deal that's as big or bigger than Jordan barring injury.

 

[Bri]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third. A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal. Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future. Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

you're off a bitThe Chargers set the level of compensation with their high offer= a first and third from another team. They DON'T get to pick and choose which team he goes to. Yes they can tender a lesser offer, and then negotiate a lesser trade but that's often times a last minute thing. He's a "lock" to be a first and third guy.Shocked a Jets fan didn't realize this(Curtis)If I were the Jets I'd go with Lewis not Turner IF IF I thought Washington or Houston could definitely be the man in a couple years. If not, they have to try for Turner.

 

[massraider]

Which is why I don't think he'll get that deal. He'll get a solid deal, but not some Clinton Portis deal. He's an intriguing backup RB right now, I can't see him getting a mega-deal.

IMO he's better than Lamont Jordan was in NY. I wouldn't be surprised if Turner signs a deal that's as big or bigger than Jordan barring injury.

I'd expect that, for sure.And that wouldn't qualify as a mega deal, IMO. 6/7 years with a hug SB? I don't see it.

 

[massraider]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third. A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal. Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future. Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

you're off a bitThe Chargers set the level of compensation with their high offer= a first and third from another team. They DON'T get to pick and choose which team he goes to.

I think you guys are saying the same thing.The Jets tender him at 1st/3rd. Unless a team is willing to pay that, and offers him a FA deal, the Chargers can negotiate a lesser trade. In that case, they DO get to choose where he goes, or doesn't go.If a team is wiling to part with a 1st and 3rd, they don't get to choose.

 

[Rovers]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third. A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal. Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future. Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

you're off a bitThe Chargers set the level of compensation with their high offer= a first and third from another team. They DON'T get to pick and choose which team he goes to. Yes they can tender a lesser offer, and then negotiate a lesser trade but that's often times a last minute thing. He's a "lock" to be a first and third guy.Shocked a Jets fan didn't realize this(Curtis)If I were the Jets I'd go with Lewis not Turner IF IF I thought Washington or Houston could definitely be the man in a couple years. If not, they have to try for Turner.

No, you misread, I do understand that. I'm saying that NO team will ante up a 1st and 3rd to meet the high tender. The REASON for the high tender IS to ward off any aquiring teams that are interested by forcing them into meeting the high tender, which again, no team will meet. Given that as my premise, then SD can pick and choose who to trade him to. If a team with a late first and another team that offers an early 2nd are in the running, SD can choose between them.... the high tender doesn;t enter into it. Are you actually saying Turner is worth a 1 and a 3? that's nuts. Crazy nuts.

 

[perry147]

Just to clear this up.... and if I have anything wrong, correct me, but this is the deal with Turner:SD puts a high tender on him for a first and a third. This in no way puts them in a corner, they can turn around and trade him for a second should they elect to do so, as long as no team offers that first and third as the hight tender bid. There is virtually no chance that any team would claim him with a high tender, so this allows SD to trade Turner for something less than a first and a third. A Turner trade on draft day is highly unlikely. With only one year left on his contract, he and his agent would have to have the time to work out a new deal with the aquiring team. No team will trade for Turner unless they have him locked up to a multi-year deal. Putting a high tender on Turner basically allows the Chargers to decide which team they would want to trade him to. I'm sure that the Ravens are one of the last teams they would want to deal with, instead, I think they would want to see him go to a team that has a higher first round pick to deal, and isn't a threat to get the high seed in the AFC in the near future. Lastly, Turner would most likely be a bigger hit on the cap than Lewis would be, although with some creative accounting, perhaps not. Turner will want a VERY large signing bonus, which is the only way to get garanteed money in the NFL. What ever team signs him, I look for a long term, maybe 6 or 7 year deal with a massive signing bonus. That is a big commitment for an RB that hasn't ever been a feature back in the NFL.

you're off a bitThe Chargers set the level of compensation with their high offer= a first and third from another team. They DON'T get to pick and choose which team he goes to. Yes they can tender a lesser offer, and then negotiate a lesser trade but that's often times a last minute thing. He's a "lock" to be a first and third guy.Shocked a Jets fan didn't realize this(Curtis)If I were the Jets I'd go with Lewis not Turner IF IF I thought Washington or Houston could definitely be the man in a couple years. If not, they have to try for Turner.

No, you misread, I do understand that. I'm saying that NO team will ante up a 1st and 3rd to meet the high tender. The REASON for the high tender IS to ward off any aquiring teams that are interested by forcing them into meeting the high tender, which again, no team will meet. Given that as my premise, then SD can pick and choose who to trade him to. If a team with a late first and another team that offers an early 2nd are in the running, SD can choose between them.... the high tender doesn;t enter into it. Are you actually saying Turner is worth a 1 and a 3? that's nuts. Crazy nuts.

ExactlyTurner is not worth a 1st and a 3rd therefore he will be traded because the Chargers want some type of compensation - if they wait untill next year they get nada.

 

[Bri]

I'm saying that NO team will ante up a 1st and 3rd to meet the high tender. The REASON for the high tender IS to ward off any aquiring teams that are interested by forcing them into meeting the high tender, which again, no team will meet. Given that as my premise, then SD can pick and choose who to trade him to. If a team with a late first and another team that offers an early 2nd are in the running, SD can choose between them.... the high tender doesn;t enter into it. Are you actually saying Turner is worth a 1 and a 3? that's nuts. Crazy nuts.

Several teams get an extra 3rd round pick as compensation for previous year's losses. That specific pick can't be traded but of course they still have another 3rd(their typical pick). It's not so much of a stretch IMO to think some teams will perceive it as just a first.I think most teams in the NFL wish they created a poison pill in a contract for Curtis Martin and got him for a 1st and 3rd. Will Turner be a hall of famer when his career is over? Every team would give up a 1st and 3rd for a hall of famer but naturally that's an unknown. I really think Curtis has loads of teams considerring a franchise back for 1st +3rd every time it comes up. GM's would give their right arm for a franchise back. I don't know if any team will pull the trigger but I figure many consider it.

 

[Rovers]

I'm saying that NO team will ante up a 1st and 3rd to meet the high tender. The REASON for the high tender IS to ward off any aquiring teams that are interested by forcing them into meeting the high tender, which again, no team will meet. Given that as my premise, then SD can pick and choose who to trade him to. If a team with a late first and another team that offers an early 2nd are in the running, SD can choose between them.... the high tender doesn;t enter into it. Are you actually saying Turner is worth a 1 and a 3? that's nuts. Crazy nuts.

Several teams get an extra 3rd round pick as compensation for previous year's losses. That specific pick can't be traded but of course they still have another 3rd(their typical pick). It's not so much of a stretch IMO to think some teams will perceive it as just a first.I think most teams in the NFL wish they created a poison pill in a contract for Curtis Martin and got him for a 1st and 3rd. Will Turner be a hall of famer when his career is over? Every team would give up a 1st and 3rd for a hall of famer but naturally that's an unknown. I really think Curtis has loads of teams considerring a franchise back for 1st +3rd every time it comes up. GM's would give their right arm for a franchise back. I don't know if any team will pull the trigger but I figure many consider it.

Martin was a near elite RB that had already proven he was a 25 to 30 touch RB, and had proven his durability over several years as a feature back. While I like Turner, he isn't proven the way Martin was. Martin's value when the Jets aquired him was definitely higher than Turner's value now. Not sure what you are talking about with the comp pick.... that only comes into play if SD holds Turner this year and then loses him as an FA after the 2007 season. Besides, that comp pick doesn't come from the aquiring team, it's an added end of round pick. Look at it as a high fourth round pick, because it's after the first three rounds have been completed. The NFLPA would never agree that any team signing a UFA should be penalized for the signing.... it's an added pick. Doesn't cost the team that signs the player any picks at all.

 

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Martin was a near elite RB that had already proven he was a 25 to 30 touch RB, and had proven his durability over several years as a feature back. While I like Turner, he isn't proven the way Martin was. Martin's value when the Jets aquired him was definitely higher than Turner's value now.

true, very true. I just think GMs always consider it now

Not sure what you are talking about with the comp pick.... that only comes into play if SD holds Turner this year and then loses him as an FA after the 2007 season. Besides, that comp pick doesn't come from the aquiring team, it's an added end of round pick. Look at it as a high fourth round pick, because it's after the first three rounds have been completed. The NFLPA would never agree that any team signing a UFA should be penalized for the signing.... it's an added pick. Doesn't cost the team that signs the player any picks at all.

No no, The team that would acquire Turner having an "extra" pick this year(from previous FA losses). They may perceive it as only giving up a 1st.BTW IMO If some team does get Turner and gives up a 1st and 3rd for him, I do NOT think SD should get an extra 3rd next year. They got enough compensation IMO.