Love to hear how you can justify a swing pass caught for no gain as being the same point value as a running back who makes a ten yard run.leave sarcasm to the professionals, pleaseNext year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
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Ray Rice has to be the biggest bust of 2010 (1 Viewer)
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ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
How could I justify anything? Africa has over 50 million people with AIDS.Love to hear how you can justify a swing pass caught for no gain as being the same point value as a running back who makes a ten yard run.leave sarcasm to the professionals, pleaseNext year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Next year we are handing points out to every player who gains yards. We've decided that it doesn't matter if the player actually scores, we just want to randomly hand out points.Next year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
footballnerd
Footballguy
its called 0.5 pts per reception, hardly anyone plays 1pt per reception anymore.Andre Johnson recently made NFL history for having at least 60 receptions in each of his first 8 seasons.The NFL holds the all time receptions leaders in high regards, and values the static as a whole, and so FFL should give some consideration to the statistic.How can you justify someone rushing 20 carries for 60 yds, that don't result in a score, equaling a TD? or 30 yds equaling a FG?Love to hear how you can justify a swing pass caught for no gain as being the same point value as a running back who makes a ten yard run.leave sarcasm to the professionals, pleaseNext year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I think ppr is an absurd scoring format. But some people surely think my league setup is a bit crazy. As long as we're all having some fun I don't see the problem.
That said, Rice has been a bust but I can't see how anyone could be called a bigger flop than Randy Moss.
That said, Rice has been a bust but I can't see how anyone could be called a bigger flop than Randy Moss.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Exactly, apparently some people don't think kickers should be in FFL, nor FGs for that matter, and some think punt returners should be given their due. In the end we are in a hobby that assigns value to statistics regardless which ones we feel hold more value.I think ppr is an absurd scoring format. But some people surely think my league setup is a bit crazy. As long as we're all having some fun I don't see the problem.That said, Rice has been a bust but I can't see how anyone could be called a bigger flop than Randy Moss.
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
After watching this guy the last few weeks, I've noticed a few things that I think are the reason for his lack of achieving great success like he was able to last year.
1st) The run blocking hasn't been as good as last year. He's had defenders in the backfield right when he gets the ball multiple times a game, but the more serious issue is that opposing LB's are frequently roaming free and not being blocked at all, preventing Rice from getting into the second level for 6+ yard carries.
2nd) Fairly obvious one, Rice is getting very few if any goal line carries.
3rd) He doesn't break tackles as frequently as last year. More specifically, he seems to be more content on going down on contact relative to last year. Over the past few weeks I've seen several plays where he goes down on contact when it looks like he could have quite easily kept running. He's got a very low center of gravity which is extremely beneficial for breaking tackles, unfortunately he doesn't seem to be using this to his advantage like he was last year.
1st) The run blocking hasn't been as good as last year. He's had defenders in the backfield right when he gets the ball multiple times a game, but the more serious issue is that opposing LB's are frequently roaming free and not being blocked at all, preventing Rice from getting into the second level for 6+ yard carries.
2nd) Fairly obvious one, Rice is getting very few if any goal line carries.
3rd) He doesn't break tackles as frequently as last year. More specifically, he seems to be more content on going down on contact relative to last year. Over the past few weeks I've seen several plays where he goes down on contact when it looks like he could have quite easily kept running. He's got a very low center of gravity which is extremely beneficial for breaking tackles, unfortunately he doesn't seem to be using this to his advantage like he was last year.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
lolwat?
He's 16th in pts in my non-PPR.
The screen that he took for a 70 TD that was called back vs Carolina would have vaulted him into the Top 10. That flag came soooooo lateand was total BS....
It sort of felt like that TD had popped his cherry for scoring and that he'd roll from there. Instead, it was a deflating point.
The screen that he took for a 70 TD that was called back vs Carolina would have vaulted him into the Top 10. That flag came soooooo lateand was total BS....
It sort of felt like that TD had popped his cherry for scoring and that he'd roll from there. Instead, it was a deflating point.
az_prof
Footballguy
In my PPR he is the 10 RB and averages 16.3 pts/game. That isn't quite what someone who drafted him top 3 expected, but it is far from being the biggest bust of 2010. At a minimum, you need to qualify the thread title by saying TD heavy leagues. The guy has almost 1400 total yards from scrimmage and the season isn't over; hard to call that a bust.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Anyone who takes him in the first three rounds of a TD-heavy league needs their head examined after this year.
Other than that, he's a solid little RB.
Other than that, he's a solid little RB.
Before this year, people should have know what Rice was about. Rice is on pace for 1700 total yards and 70 receptions. That is where his value is. Cant be remotely considered a bust.Again, why would TD heavy leagues pick Rice high anyway with McGahee still around.
Dought Man
Footballguy
If Flacco would just check down when he should, the Ravens (and Rice) would be more dangerous on offense. 2nd and 10 will kill them against good teams in the playoffs. He's gotta learn that 2nd and 5 works a lot better than 2nd and 10 after going for yet another shot down field.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
I liked the post . . .leave sarcasm to the professionals, pleaseNext year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
If one wants to have more equity ACROSS positions, PPR is a VERY poor way to go about it, as it disrupts rank order WITHIN position unnecessarily.
The best solution is to make yards for WRs worth .125 and TDs 7.5. TEs can be .15 and 9. QBs get .075 per yard passing, 6 per TD, and -2 per INT.
Also, should deal with supply and demand by starting 4 WRs and 2 TEs.
Works quite well. Very competitive, interesting draft decisions, etc. Also no need for silly flex.
The best solution is to make yards for WRs worth .125 and TDs 7.5. TEs can be .15 and 9. QBs get .075 per yard passing, 6 per TD, and -2 per INT.
Also, should deal with supply and demand by starting 4 WRs and 2 TEs.
Works quite well. Very competitive, interesting draft decisions, etc. Also no need for silly flex.
faulkfan
Footballguy
I don't think bust is fair because you have to know your system and base his value off that. As has been mentioned, in PPR formats and yardage formats he has been a very good option, however, in TD heavy leagues he doesn't hold as much value. I would hope that we all knew what kind of league we were playing in when we participated in their respective drafts so if you took him early in a TD league then he probably isn't as much to blame as he is. I think his numbers are right at what most people expected from him; lots of yards and not many scores.
In my situation, I owned him in a TD league and the week after he scored a TD I traded he and some other guys like Fitzpatrick, Housh, and Mike Thomas for Hakeem Nicks and Moreno. For that reason alone I love Rice.
In my situation, I owned him in a TD league and the week after he scored a TD I traded he and some other guys like Fitzpatrick, Housh, and Mike Thomas for Hakeem Nicks and Moreno. For that reason alone I love Rice.
Basmati Ray Rice
Footballguy
I am seriously considering starting Blount and Torain over him this weekend, what do you think.?
Yes a sneaky who do i start post sorry!
Yes a sneaky who do i start post sorry!
1. How is this any better than ppr? Are you saying that a back like Rice who catches out of the backfield isnt valuable? A player that catches 8 balls for 100 yards isnt more valuable than a player that catches 2 passes for 100 yards?2. Antonio Gates should go #1 overall in this league.3. 2 tight ends? There arent enough tight ends in the league for every team to have ONE starting quality player, much less two. What is wrong with a flex spot?
I've said it before and I'll say it again ... PPR is for little girls.Thank You and have a nice evening
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Topic is dumb, this is why:
In PPR he is 9th RB overall.In half PPR he is 13th RB overall.In standard he is 15th overall.Wtf do you guys want? You didnt make the playoffs, wasnt your first round draft picks fault, it was your terrible team management.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Its not so much that he's the biggest bust, but he is just so underwhelming, aside from 2 weeks this season. He's like a rich man's Javhid Best 
You expect more out of the #4 overall pick, thats all.
You expect more out of the #4 overall pick, thats all.
But the thread title is "Ray Rice has to be the biggest bust of 2010."Its not so much that he's the biggest bust, but he is just so underwhelming, aside from 2 weeks this season. He's like a rich man's Javhid BestYou expect more out of the #4 overall pick, thats all.
dagwood
Footballguy
This is beating a dead horse.He is not the biggest bust of 2010. And if you picked up Hillis and Vick on the waiver wire, and drafted Foster in the early 3rd round, you are prepping your team for a Super Bowl run.If you did not, then you are complaining about what a bust Ray Rice is.But the thread title is "Ray Rice has to be the biggest bust of 2010."Its not so much that he's the biggest bust, but he is just so underwhelming, aside from 2 weeks this season. He's like a rich man's Javhid Best
renesauz
IBL Representative
Because many "swing" passes that go for little or nothing are actually desperation dump-offs saving their team from a 7 or 8 yard sack.Just because a specific play goes for zero yardage does not mean it wasn't a positive play by the RB for his team (even if allit did was turn a bad negative into a small negative).IN the end, there's good arguments for and against PPR, and sarcastic responses ridiculing PPR are unwarrented. Don't like those leagues, don't play in them.Love to hear how you can justify a swing pass caught for no gain as being the same point value as a running back who makes a ten yard run.leave sarcasm to the professionals, pleaseNext year, we're awarding backs a point for every hand-off received and quarterbacks a point for every snap from center received. We've decided that it doesn't matter if it contributes yardage or points to his NFL team, we just want to randomly hand out more points.
So if you drafted him in top 5 in standard you messed up, he should have never been ranked in the top 5 standard, in all the standard leagues im in Rice slipped to late-mid first round Gore and S.Jax went ahead of him in both drafts.Adrian Peterson - ADP 1.01-1.02, 4th overall
Chris Johnson - ADP 1.01-1.02, 6th overall
MJD - ADP 1.03-1.04, 5th overall
Ray Rice - ADP 1.04-1.06, 9th overall
Frank Gore - ADP 1.04-1.06, 14th overall IR
Steven Jackson - ADP 1.05-1.07, 12th overall
Lesean Mccoy - ADP 1.10-1.12, 3rd overall
Rashard Mendenhall - ADP 1.08-1.10, 13th overall
Production is tiered because of the parities, Top 10 picks-Top 10 performance. Dont see Peterson and CJ2k owners complaining about MJD being more productive.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Oof. This is the classic case of a 1st round FF pick underachieving all year (in non-PPR leagues), and then going nuts in the playoffs after a lot of owners didn't even make the playoffs because of his season-long underachieving. Them's the breaks.
degenerate
Footballguy
picked rice first overall in all 3 of my leagues this year (1 nonppr). the 2 i'm still alive in are because of foster, but today i sure am glad rice acted like a #1 pick
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nysportsfan
Footballguy
Might be true, but those who doGhost Rider said:
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Bout time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
az_prof
Footballguy
40 points in PPR today; Rice is picking my team up and carrying us to the Finals.
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