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RB Antonio Gibson, NE (4 Viewers)

Giddy with this news today. I could see a scenario where it is a productive split between Love and Gibson. Barber and McKissic mixed in. 

There was speculation previously that Love might be a game day inactive from time to time. Is that completely out now? Probably, right?

I really am giddy. I got Gibson on almost all my FPC squads. I have Love on a couple, too, and depending on what might hear from Rivera I've got to think Love is a high priority waiver claim. Along with the Jags backs.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Agreed. They could have picked a name. Hogs woulda been perfect. This is Snyder giving everyone a middle finger for being told what to do, 100%.

Anyway, back on topic, I might take Gibson tonight if his price is right. Like 10th round or later. Then grab Love even later & have back off the bench options. We’ll see how my draft goes - never say never, right?
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was fortunate in dynasty to snag him.  haven't thought about redraft.  my assumption is this makes him a 6-7th rounder.  Not where I would take him, but that's where the Akers/Swift/Montgomery/Hunt clump is.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Agreed. They could have picked a name. Hogs woulda been perfect. This is Snyder giving everyone a middle finger for being told what to do, 100%.

Anyway, back on topic, I might take Gibson tonight if his price is right. Like 10th round or later. Then grab Love even later & have back off the bench options. We’ll see how my draft goes - never say never, right?
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Don’t be shocked when he goes five rounds ahead of where you are targeting him. 

 
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-jb- said:
was fortunate in dynasty to snag him.  haven't thought about redraft.  my assumption is this makes him a 6-7th rounder.  Not where I would take him, but that's where the Akers/Swift/Montgomery/Hunt clump is.
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Akers and Monty went mid fifth, and Swift went early sixth in my 0.5 ppr redraft 10 team. So this why I’d say target 5th if you want him. 

 
-jb- said:
was fortunate in dynasty to snag him.  haven't thought about redraft.  my assumption is this makes him a 6-7th rounder.  Not where I would take him, but that's where the Akers/Swift/Montgomery/Hunt clump is.
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I'd probably have Gibson ahead of all of those guys except Akers. Swift and Hunt have much more touch competition, and Montgomery is already injured. 

 
Peterson's release is a great sign, but the recent practices that lead to Peterson's comments do not make it a given Gibson is the man in the WTF backfield.

Love ran with the first team early in camp and they liked what they saw. They liked what they saw in Gibson, too, but they had to make sure it was enough to release Peterson. Running Gibson with the ones was critical in evaluation as well as preparation due to both his inexperience and the shortened preseason. Peterson's stated conclusion was understandable, but not necessary correct.

Furthermore, I interpret WTF wanting "one guy" as wanting their RBs to be three down backs. They don't want a two down back and a receiving specialist. I don't take it as their wanting a "workhorse"  RB. I am sure they would love to have multiple explosive RBs who can do it all.

The release of Peterson is a great sign for both, because if either didn't shine, Peterson would still be on the team. The desire for one guy means Gibson should also get carries between the tackles and Love should also get receptions. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

 
Futeki said:
Peterson's release is a great sign, but the recent practices that lead to Peterson's comments do not make it a given Gibson is the man in the WTF backfield.

Love ran with the first team early in camp and they liked what they saw. They liked what they saw in Gibson, too, but they had to make sure it was enough to release Peterson. Running Gibson with the ones was critical in evaluation as well as preparation due to both his inexperience and the shortened preseason. Peterson's stated conclusion was understandable, but not necessary correct.

Furthermore, I interpret WTF wanting "one guy" as wanting their RBs to be three down backs. They don't want a two down back and a receiving specialist. I don't take it as their wanting a "workhorse"  RB. I am sure they would love to have multiple explosive RBs who can do it all.

The release of Peterson is a great sign for both, because if either didn't shine, Peterson would still be on the team. The desire for one guy means Gibson should also get carries between the tackles and Love should also get receptions. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
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This!  Players comments on their way out are now the font of all truth about the coaches plans?  It still remains to be seen.  Especially Adrian Peterson, who is not exactly known for providing extremely insightful analysis...

Despite the victory laps happening on Twitter.  

 
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-jb- said:
I think Gibson will have high touch competition
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I agree, I just think Swift and obviously Hunt, will have a lot more. Those guys need an injury to become high touch guys. Gibson, I think, doesn't, he just needs to prove he's up to it.

 
Endowed said:
"We have a plan for (Antonio Gibson). I know we haven't shown you (reporters) the whole plan, and that's part of the secret that we're trying to keep going into the regular season." Coach Rivera said. "There's a lot we can do with a young man like him."
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This is what has me excited about the guy. They are out their way to design things for him. Receptions are worth more than carries for RBs. Guy has a lot of upside.

 
again, im an owner - but has the NFL ever seen a RB with 33 college carries come in, take and hold a starting role?

 
-jb- said:
again, im an owner - but has the NFL ever seen a RB with 33 college carries come in, take and hold a starting role?
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Probably not. But this is Riverboat Ron in charge of the WTF crew, so history flew out the window.

I say rules are meant to be broken and fortune favors the bold! 😂

 
-jb- said:
again, im an owner - but has the NFL ever seen a RB with 33 college carries come in, take and hold a starting role?
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I can't think of any, and is a reason I passed on him @ #12 in a dynasty draft. He went #13. I still have a hard time believing a player with 77 total touches in college and this raw at both WR and RB will be "the guy" for an NFL team, but looks like he'll have a chance to prove it. Can he pass block?

 
-jb- said:
again, im an owner - but has the NFL ever seen a RB with 33 college carries come in, take and hold a starting role?
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Terrell Davis was used very lightly at Georgia. Would need to go back and check stats, though.

EDIT: OK ... Davis was beset by injuries his junior and senior years, and played 2nd behind Garrison Hearst his sophomore year. Even with all that, he still had 372 college carries.

Alvin Kamara had 210 carries and 74 receptions in two years at Tennessee -- that's another one that came into the NFL "inexperienced". Seeing how Antonio Gibson turns out will be interesting.

 
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Doug B said:
Terrell Davis was used very lightly at Georgia. Would need to go back and check stats, though.

EDIT: OK ... Davis was beset by injuries his junior and senior years, and played 2nd behind Garrison Hearst his sophomore year. Even with all that, he still had 372 college carries.

Alvin Kamara had 210 carries and 74 receptions in two years at Tennessee -- that's another one that came into the NFL "inexperienced". Seeing how Antonio Gibson turns out will be interesting.
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Haha, how was Kamara not your first thought as a Saints fan?

 
Take this for what it's worth. I don't want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but as a lifelong 'skins fan, Season Tix holding family from the time the 'skins moved from Griffith to RFK, and 50+ year DC area resident who's very plugged in to the local sports media and has learned who's info is reliable and trustworthy...there's going to be a lot more Peyton Barber and JD McKissic than most people think, at least in the early part of the Season. The consensus among the trustworthy media, coming out of this AM's Peterson release, is that moving forward, the 'skins will likely dress 3 RB on game day (Barber/McKissic/Gibson), and Bryce Love could be inactive, because he's not completely 100% ready for live, game-speed contact, and they're going to go easy with him until they're absolutely sure he's ready. Hypothetical carries split as follows: Barber/Gibson/McKissic: 40/40/20 - a true committee backfield approach.

 
nittanylion said:
Take this for what it's worth. I don't want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but as a lifelong 'skins fan, Season Tix holding family from the time the 'skins moved from Griffith to RFK, and 50+ year DC area resident who's very plugged in to the local sports media and has learned who's info is reliable and trustworthy...there's going to be a lot more Peyton Barber and JD McKissic than most people think, at least in the early part of the Season. The consensus among the trustworthy media, coming out of this AM's Peterson release, is that moving forward, the 'skins will likely dress 3 RB on game day (Barber/McKissic/Gibson), and Bryce Love could be inactive, because he's not completely 100% ready for live, game-speed contact, and they're going to go easy with him until they're absolutely sure he's ready. Hypothetical carries split as follows: Barber/Gibson/McKissic: 40/40/20 - a true committee backfield approach.
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If true I'd be stoked. If Gibson doesn't bust then he will carve a larger role than 40% of carries. But even with that level, when you add in receptions, this is great news for him. 

 
-jb- said:
Doug B said:
Terrell Davis was used very lightly at Georgia. Would need to go back and check stats, though.

EDIT: OK ... Davis was beset by injuries his junior and senior years, and played 2nd behind Garrison Hearst his sophomore year. Even with all that, he still had 372 college carries.

Alvin Kamara had 210 carries and 74 receptions in two years at Tennessee -- that's another one that came into the NFL "inexperienced". Seeing how Antonio Gibson turns out will be interesting.
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Haha, how was Kamara not your first thought as a Saints fan?
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My faulty memory was that Davis was barely used at Georgia ... was thinking ~100 carries or something like that.

 
barackdhouse said:
If true I'd be stoked. If Gibson doesn't bust then he will carve a larger role than 40% of carries. But even with that level, when you add in receptions, this is great news for him. 
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Yup.  If you told Gibson owners a couple months ago it would play out that way.....wow.

 
Doug B said:
My faulty memory was that Davis was barely used at Georgia ... was thinking ~100 carries or something like that.
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TD was kind of an after thought as a rookie at the time and he was the first "Denver system RB" that wasn't a thing yet then.

I got him for super cheap in dynasty start up that year. One of the best moves Ive ever made.

TDs college stats just shy of 100 ra as a senior. It was more the exception than the norm for players to enter the NFL after their Jr college season back then.

 
Again, it might be adviseable to temper optimism based on a couple of things:

1. It's quite likely that this is going to be a very low-volume offense, think bottom 25% in the League (25-32). 40% sounds good in theory, but 40% of what, exactly? That could be 20 total carries distributed 8/8/4 in the course of a game.

2. McKissic looks absolutely fantastic, and has the passing down rb role pretty much on lockdown. Peyton Barber is younger, faster and a better receiver than AP (at this stage of their  respective careers, I'm not trying to say absurd things here), and he's versatile - he'll get his touches, too, in both the running and passing game.

It's not just preseason fluff that Rivera/Turner and co are very happy with all 3 of Barber/McKissic/Gibson, and when Love is ready, he's going to cut into the pie.

Haskins and Logan Thomas are mindmelding, and Steven Sims is proving to be a very reliable short/mid range option out of the slot. There's going to be significant competion for targets in that short to intermediate zone.

Not too sure the Turner's managed Curtis Samuel, a similar player to Gibson, all that properly in Carolina. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I remain cautiously optimistic at best. Those 8 carries might well feature several ill-fated jet sweeps, and less targets in the passing game then one might imagine.

...and make no mistake about it, I like Gibson, and his potential, a ton. The reporting coming from the sources I trust, however, are causing me to temper my enthusiasm, and angle for more proven, reliable options at ADP, which is steaming waaay up.

 
Endowed said:
Maybe for a game of two.

Anything more than that would be highly surprising considering what the team is trying to do.
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gbill2004 said:
Wouldn't surprise me to see Barber get the majority of the carries, at least early in the season.  
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Yeah, anything past that makes no sense. They aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year, might as well see what you with your youth and if you stink take a QB next year.

 
King of the Jungle said:
Yeah, anything past that makes no sense. They aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year, might as well see what you with your youth and if you stink take a QB next year.
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Remember Barber is a good pass blocker. Coaches like protecting their QBs. And the young guys aren't great at pass blocking. 

 
I'm late to the party on this guy, as I don't play dynasty, and have been out of the loop on the youngsters somewhat.  Well, I watched his highlight reel......holy ####!  His change of direction reminds me of Gale Sayers......and his acceleration and top gear.....wow!

 
gbill2004 said:
Remember Barber is a good pass blocker. Coaches like protecting their QBs. And the young guys aren't great at pass blocking. 
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Barber isn't really a good pass blocker though. He was certainly better than Ronald Jones was, but that is a pretty low bar.

 
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