YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
The proof is in the tape. Hes extremely talented.
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RB Antonio Gibson, NE (2 Viewers)
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
In redraft, he going to improve each week this season. For dynasty owners, he is probably a low end RB1 or high end RB 2 next season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What specifically did you see that was not to your liking?
It looks like he had another good game statistically. Gibson is currently RB 10 in fantasy.
Football Jones
Footballguy
So you're talking about a random 1st?
Gibson is worth quite a bit more than that, IMO.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What do you think a young top 10 RB with a bright future ahead is worth?
In my opinion more than a 1st round pick next season where I will hope to land a player who might be as good as Gibson.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Questionable tag - ankle - just popped up today. Something to keep an eye on.
az_prof
Footballguy
I can only say how I value him as a dynasty owner who drafted him this year at 2.12. I wouldn't trade him for a 1.12 or a late 2021 first because I don't think that is likely to lead to a better RB prospect. He has proven he can play in the NFL and is performing as a RB10 in my 1 pt ppr league this year. Basically he is doing as well as CEH and significantly better than any other rookie RB this year. I would want at least a mid-first round pick like a 1.05.
He is probably a better target if he is owned by a team that is positioning for the playoffs this year and you would do better if you could offer a veteran with a good playoff schedule who is going to give the other owner's team a better chance to win this year.
Trading him for picks is going to be tough because he is young with upside and proven ability so why would a rebuilding team trade him?
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He is currently top 10 in scoring.
There are some guys injured. Who would you rank ahead of him?
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
He is 12 in my dynasty league...Mike Davis is 11...Mike Davis... Anyway...
Again, dynasty so a current injury does not count for what I've been talking about
I know I listed more than 10 below, but ya get my point. To be fair, Gibson is in my top 20, probably top 15. 1st rounder for a guy that loses so many touches & catches to JD McKissic?! Not today for me.
CMC
Zeke
Kamara
Barkley
Cook
Henry
Robinson
CEH
Jacobs
Chubb
Swift
M. Sanders
I would add Mixon, Ekeler, and Jones. Had Hunt not resigned with Cleveland I would go with him too.
He’s a really raw rookie running back! Putting up a borderline rb1 season on a bad team. People would really value a random 1 over a young guy performing already in the NFL?!? That’s insanity to me.
rockaction
Footballguy
Agreed, with this caveat. It depends on the NFL draft. We saw CEH's stock explode because of the team that picked him. Nothing to stop any of the high-powered offenses that need a RB next year from doing the same.
Right there will be a player or 2 like that and they’ll go in the top 5 or higher like CEH did. If you can get a top 5 pick I’d consider it. But without that assurance I’m holding the young, elite athlete, top 12 ish (for this year) Rb.
sandlotshrink
Footballguy
Gibson has solidified my RB2 slot after failed attempts by higher prized draft picks such as Taylor and Akers. The over reliance on McKissic has been frustrating, but so has trying to figure out all the other 2 and 3-headed backfields this year. That being said, Bryce Love's return from IR could potentially complicate things down the stretch.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Traded him for M Thomas before this week's games. Other than Adams my WRs are a mess with Beasley as my next best . Still have Taylor,Robinson, Singletary,Harris and Bell in a start 1 + a flex league.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Rookie RB Antonio Gibson over the first six games this year:
He's a rookie still learning the position so he should improve his overall game. I think he is a solid #2 RB going next year and right now if he keeps up his scoring streak he is contributing numbers of a 'decent' #1 fantasy back.
He's got a nice matchup against Dallas but the ankle is a concern on a short week.
- 64 carries or 10.6 carries per game
- 243 rush yards or 40.5 yards per game
- 3 TDs or .5 per game
- 19 receptions or 3.1 per game
- 147 receiving yards or 24.5 per game
- 55 carries or 13.75 per game
- 287 rush yards or 71.75 yards per game
- 5 TDs or 1.25 per game
- 8 receptions or 2 per game
- 65 receiving yards or 16.25 per game
He's a rookie still learning the position so he should improve his overall game. I think he is a solid #2 RB going next year and right now if he keeps up his scoring streak he is contributing numbers of a 'decent' #1 fantasy back.
He's got a nice matchup against Dallas but the ankle is a concern on a short week.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I am likely taking all of the guys you list ahead of Gibson.Helaire-ious said:
Thanks for putting a list out there. My comment about him being top 10 is just where he is at right now in most scoring systems.
There are a few you dont list who are in this conversation as well.
For the 2021 NFL draft Travis Etienne or Cubba Hubbard. If one of them is a 1st round pick in the 2021 draft maybe you consider them ahead of Gibson but if they are they will also be top picks. So unless you get a high pick you won't be getting them.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
As far as the McKissic taking targets from Gibson right now I don't think that is something that will continue next season. They want Gibson to be a 3 down RB like CMC. As I said back in the summer I thought Gibson would take a year or two to develop as a receiver, if he were playing that position exclusively. He does have experience as a receiver already though and as a RB I think he will improve that part of his game in time. If Washington wanted to have a 2 down RB with a 3rd down RB coming in they could have just kept Peterson. They want Gibson to be their do everything RB in time.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Ostro
Footballguy
The coach has stated on several occasions that he's taking his time developing Gibson.
Gotta let the game slow down for him before moving on to other parts of the game.
Basically, one step at a time. learn the running aspect, help him understand the playbook(running plays), find the holes/read defenses, 'vision'... etc... Then move onto pass blocking, again, reading the defense, gotta see who you're gonna block, the best way to block..... etc.... Then, once you have all that down, you can move onto being pass catching RB.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Practice.
He doesn't have a lot of carries in college. So having him work on being a runner right now is the priority. Filling up his plate with other things may take some of his focus away from that. There is only so much time in a practice. Its something they will have more time to work on in the offseason, when everything isn't so focused on game planning for the next opponent.
Once Gibson earns their confidence in pass pro and running routes they will start using him in that way more. I am not sure if that is happening this year. I do think it will happen eventually.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He has 27 receptions through 11 games as a rookie. If that represents anything close to a receiving floor, and there is room for growth in terms of pass blocking and route running, then sign me up. Oh wait I already did everywhere. I really think expecting more catches than this for a guy that has taken over but is still learning the the running role, is asking too much for a rookie in COVID 2020 on the WFT. That said, he *is* getting some targets. If we're only concerned with ROS I can't imagine Alex Smith should make anyone feel less about Gibson's PPR prosepcts.
ETA Correction 10 games not 11
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah perhaps so. Especially if they have some scrub at QB again, as they are likely to do. Alex Smith probably props Gibson's value a little if he is the expected starter. Gotta figure they go a different direction though.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Why anyone would want to trade this guy for a random 1st is beyond me. He's still learning the position.
Admittedly, I'm a U of Memphis alumni.
Admittedly, I'm a U of Memphis alumni.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Kid is a beast the last couple weeks
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am an owner so I am excited. But...when I watch him play I don’t really see the wow factor. He is having a great day but two of his longer runs I may have been able to score on (slight exaggeration). When I watch Barber run I am jus as impressed. Maybe I am nuts.
FairWarning
Footballguy
God Bless Mr Gibson, won $1875 on Draftkings thanks to him.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Buy low window slammed shut.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
So glad I dropped him weeks ago. Gibson owners should be really happy right now. He’s playing well and is getting the touches.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I tried to get him in dynasty after last week. No dice. I shoulda put a sad emoji on my post. I own him nowhere. Looks the part for sure.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just based on some of the comments in the game thread and also the past week or so talking about Gibson and what his value might be moving forward, it seems that people still doubt his ability.
I am not really clear on what specifically peoples criticisms of Gibson are? One theme seems to be that Gibson doesn't pass the eye test. Anyone could have done well with that blocking.
I think Gibson could benefit from more leverage by running with lower pad level especially before making contact with a defender. I think he is still learning how to read defenses and his blocking. I think he looked improved from when I watched him earlier on in the season. There were still a lot of dead runs. Dallas has a lot of speed to stop the toss plays and other runs outside better than they are stopping runs up the middle. I do think the many outside runs in the first half perhaps set up some of the inside runs later on.
While nothing special as a receiver in this game still good to see him have 5 receptions. That was one of the concerns about Gibson, that he wasn't getting the lions share of the receiving opportunity. We know what CMC can do in this offense. It was a step in the right direction, there is still a lot of untapped upside here.
I am not really clear on what specifically peoples criticisms of Gibson are? One theme seems to be that Gibson doesn't pass the eye test. Anyone could have done well with that blocking.
I think Gibson could benefit from more leverage by running with lower pad level especially before making contact with a defender. I think he is still learning how to read defenses and his blocking. I think he looked improved from when I watched him earlier on in the season. There were still a lot of dead runs. Dallas has a lot of speed to stop the toss plays and other runs outside better than they are stopping runs up the middle. I do think the many outside runs in the first half perhaps set up some of the inside runs later on.
While nothing special as a receiver in this game still good to see him have 5 receptions. That was one of the concerns about Gibson, that he wasn't getting the lions share of the receiving opportunity. We know what CMC can do in this offense. It was a step in the right direction, there is still a lot of untapped upside here.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Admittedly I probably sound stupid after saying what I did after a big game (not saying I am not stupid). I 100% agree there is room for improvement and that is exciting. I guess when they needed short yardage conversions they seemed to trust their other backs who seemed to be more efficient in decision making in that situation. (I own the guy, want him to awesome).
I am probably nitpicking. Two of his longer TD runs where gimmies but to his credit he took advantage. I should probably just stop typing.....he did help me this week bigtime and hope he continues to show.
whole-show
Footballguy
On my bench for Ewok 
done with Elliot I think until McCarthy is fired. Guy is trash!
done with Elliot I think until McCarthy is fired. Guy is trash!
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I keep hearing people saying they aren't impressed with him even though he continues to produce at a top level.Maybe you’re more optimistic about what you’re seeing.
Time will tell. It’s a small sample size. But at the end of the day we both watched a video that was 11 touches for under 40 rushing yards with 2 receptions that went nowhere. And not to be the “if not for that long run” guy, but if not for that long run where he tripped over a teammate in the open field, he would have had closer to 2 YPC than the 4 he had.
I remain unconvinced. I am not closed minded nor am I making a definitive statement about ROS. But on that video I saw very little to get excited about.
I forgot who I had this conversation with back in September so I wonder if you had changed your mind or not.
I saw some special things.
Antonio Gibson proving traits trump production in draft evaluations
Go to the link for the full read.
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
I can see what you were saying. My guess, and hope, is coaching staff gives most carries and touches to him and treat McKissic as fill in for breather breaks. This allow him to get consistent top level production. He has been every bit worth the 8th round pick I spent for him. And it’s dynasty so
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Meh. I saw a Dallas defense that could t stop anything. He looked better than I initially thought (and I’ve come back here & said as much a few weeks ago) but you could drive a freight train through the holes he had last night. Every TD run was untouched busted coverage.
I still don’t think he’s special. Sorry.
Well, some match ups are better than others... and that is true for all players. If you sort by ppg in ppr you will see he is 10th on the board. He is a rookie, and rookies need time to develop. Add in slow start with no preseason and it is a good trajectory he is on. Though next two weeks are tough match ups. But weeks 15 and 16 are good ones. So just hoping I make that deep in the playoffs to use him. But he’s right there with Robinson and CEH as far as rookies rbs go. So that seems special to me.
