karl.Racki
Footballguy
I would start him this week.. I expect him to get 20-25 carries..
Smith was questioned on him, he will now feed him. Remember players always outlast coaches, and Bijan was taken with their first pick.
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Smith was questioned on him, he will now feed him. Remember players always outlast coaches, and Bijan was taken with their first pick.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I hate sounding like a Smith apologist here but on that 60 yard TE screen to Smith they have Robinson running a swing route to the opposite side while also catching Harrison Smith in a blitz, so yeah drawing coverage away from the play by having Robinson do that was a part of what made this play successful.
The Falcons had more blockers than there were defenders on that side of the field because of the blitz. It was a smart play call.
No way would I have moved him for that price personally...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm thinking of starting an "I hate Arthur Smith" anti-fan club. Who's in?
Jokes aside, Jonnu Smith has been my SOD in a TE-P 16 team format.
Jokes aside, Jonnu Smith has been my SOD in a TE-P 16 team format.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I own bijan and can flip him for Bijan right now but I have cold feet... I just dont know that the situation will sort out, however... that Atlanta playoff schedule is supremely tempting
I haven't shut the door yet and I was sick of Gibbs a few weeks ago
Oddly similar situations in terms of splits and goal line opps.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Do it. The capital B looks way better.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Gibbs!
Dizzy
Footballguy
Got em both. Keeping both. Playing both.
Sooner or later Arthur Smith will swallow his stubbornness and hand Bijan the rock... win the division... look like a genius.
Gibbs is studly going forward.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I have Bijan in dynasty and still comfortably holding. My long term valuation of him hasn’t changed. Sooner or later the Falcons will have a head coach who actually believes in featuring his studs.
Now redraft is a different story. If I had Bijan in redraft I think I’d want to get off this ride and take my chance on Gibbs the rest of this season. I’m assuming Gibbs has earned more playing time even with the return of Montgomery.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
In redraft, I wouldn't trade Gibbs for Bijan straight up. It would require some juice at WR.
need2know
Footballguy
Apparently yes. Hasn't happened all year
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Except in this case, this same coach ran the ball on 55.29% of their plays in 2002. The Falcons were one of only three teams to run the ball more often than they passed it over the course of the season along with Bears and Ravens. No one in the NFL ran the ball more last year. And then they drafted an elite RB at #8. And then Smith decided it would be a great idea to throw it more in 2023, except not to Pitts.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Really a hard deal here... man... a first round pick, NFL and fantasy, 23 years old or whatever. Great situation in terms of running the ball, great schedule the rest of the way, absolute league winner plus plus ability, all the measurable in terms of PPR, speed, evasiveness
And yet... you can also see this situation being what it is and not going to change whatsoever. My personal opinion is it HAS TO, but damn I can say that emotionally, intellectually, I dont think we are getting that sea change shift.
This is real gambling to bite on him. But very high reward.
Trying to deal Derrick Henry for him.
And yet... you can also see this situation being what it is and not going to change whatsoever. My personal opinion is it HAS TO, but damn I can say that emotionally, intellectually, I dont think we are getting that sea change shift.
This is real gambling to bite on him. But very high reward.
Trying to deal Derrick Henry for him.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I think people watching the trend line.
Football Jones
Footballguy
If this goes on much longer, I think we’re missing the obvious reason…which is the Falcons have absolutely no reason to give Bijan a bunch of touches this season given they would go nowhere in the playoffs if they somehow managed to get in. Not to mention a possible lower draft slot.
RB is a brutal position with a relatively short shelf life. And because of the dynamics of the position, RBs don’t need a lot of grooming like the other skill positions.
This could very well be the plan. I don’t think Atlanta’s management cares about our magic football teams. Art Smith is just the messenger in that scenario.
RB is a brutal position with a relatively short shelf life. And because of the dynamics of the position, RBs don’t need a lot of grooming like the other skill positions.
This could very well be the plan. I don’t think Atlanta’s management cares about our magic football teams. Art Smith is just the messenger in that scenario.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Football Jones just spoke some truth. They're going nowhere with Heinicke and Ridder. Why slam this guy into a brick wall twenty times a game when you've got him for five years? Look at what happened to Barkley after that first year.
rockaction
Footballguy
I even think that headache game was a Kawhi Leonard load management game for the rook. He'd already been talking about soreness in the media. Welp, kid, you're not running the football the next game. Done and done.
Notice Bijan didn't complain or get surly about it. Surely he was in on the knowledge even if he disagreed with it.
Notice Bijan didn't complain or get surly about it. Surely he was in on the knowledge even if he disagreed with it.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Not a single NFL team cares about fantasy football, nor should they. But I would hope they care about winning their games, and wasting an all-purpose back like Bijan and giving him only 1 carry inside the 5 all season, that’s just coaching malpractice. The NFC South is there for the taking and they’re dropping games they shouldn’t because they want to get too cute with how they use their personnel on offense.
I’m stuck between wanting to see Bijan get more carries, and wanting the Falcons to lose as a result of them not giving him more carries. I’m fine with the status quo continuing if it leads to Smith getting fired soon.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I totally get it. You kind of had to assume Bijan would get a lot of touches, but that’s the risk of drafting rookies high (the unknown).
Once I saw what was happening, I suspected they were “saving” him, but it’s only a guess.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I don't buy this. The Falcons are only 1 game back in the NFC South and 8-9 record won the division last year. And in the wildcard round, anything can happen.
I do agree its a load management issue and Allgeier is the type of RB to balance it out. The goods news is the Falcons are in Arizona in week 10 and that's where Bijan is from. My guess is he blows up this week with a game similar to what Gibbs had last week. If there was ever a week for him to show out in his rookie season, this is it. He is a legend in Salpointe and probably the top prep to ever come out of Arizona. I got a feeling this is the week.
Football Jones
Footballguy
It’s still load management either way. That’s why I said if it continues much longer, we’ll know not wanting to overwork him in his rookie season was the answer.
Maybe they wanted him to clearly separate himself from Allgeier, but he’s already done that. My guess is there was a directive from management to limit his touches. If they make the playoffs, fine.
Or maybe this is the week. Who knows.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, it wouldn’t surprise me if they gave Bijan some run since he’s from the area, but it’s not a lock it would continue.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Well that and the cards are not serious about winning.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Maybe the Falcons can find a way to cryogenically freeze Bijan like they did to Sylvester Stalone in Demolition Man. And when the Falcons are finally contenders, they can thaw him out and then give their best player the ball. Just think how good the Lions could be this year if they didn't foolishly burn through Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson!
Stat Correction
Footballguy
his under-use is criminally negligent
How is it load management to give him 1 carry inside the 5 all season? Do those carries put far more stress on the body than any other carries?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Of course they do, it's a big dog pile from that close.
I don't think this is why he hasn't gotten carries from 5 or less though.
They don't want fumbles down there and right now they maybe trust Allgier more for this assignment.
The fumble Bijan coughed up in most recent game was pivotal as it gave the Vikings the opportunity to drive and catch up on the score board.
But nevermind that. High draft pick my team needs points coach is terrible yada yada.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
There are outside runs to try to get the corner, too. Or little screens or whatever.
Football Jones
Footballguy
More touches would probly come with more scoring opps.
I’ve seen teams use a designated GL back that’s not necessarily their best all-around RB. Could be any number of things.
It's clearly not load management to not allow him scoring opportunities all season. Reason #1 is Art Smith's stubbornness/stupidity.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Regardless of the reason why, his touches have been deliberately limited up to this point. If it’s coming from management, Smith can’t be faulted.
Secondary to that is GL usage. I don’t have an answer for you there, but maybe they believe Allgeier is better at executing short yardage or maybe it’s a veteran thing. Philly uses Gainwell around the GL a lot (or had been) much to the chagrin of their fans. I guess coaches (or management) have their reasons.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
If management is behind Bijan’s limited touches, it’s unlikely to change. If it’s Art, things could get better.
One thing I want to mention is Bijan did have 23 touches in week 2, but only 14 in week 3. It’s possible his body is having trouble adapting to the abuse an NFL RB takes given he stated he was sore before the 1-touch game & since then has had even fewer touches than earlier in the season.
It wouldn’t be crazy to assume that’s the reason or at least part of the reason.
One thing I want to mention is Bijan did have 23 touches in week 2, but only 14 in week 3. It’s possible his body is having trouble adapting to the abuse an NFL RB takes given he stated he was sore before the 1-touch game & since then has had even fewer touches than earlier in the season.
It wouldn’t be crazy to assume that’s the reason or at least part of the reason.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Robinson has had 9 targets in the 2 games since the 1 touch game vs Tampa, but he has only caught 2 of those targets.
The 4 targets per game over these 2 games is the same as his average number of targets prior to that, he just has not caught many of them.
The 4 targets per game over these 2 games is the same as his average number of targets prior to that, he just has not caught many of them.
satch
Footballguy
Anyone head anything “legit” about Arthur Smith’s job being in jeopardy? Like, a local report or anything? I imagine Atlanta sports radio must be nonstop Smith bashing, along with social media and the entire fantasy community. I mean, it’s kind of a national joke at this point.
At some point something has to change, no? Either Smith starts featuring Bijan or the Falcons fan base is going to turn on them if they haven’t already. They must be dying to see Bijan get a chance to dominate.
At some point something has to change, no? Either Smith starts featuring Bijan or the Falcons fan base is going to turn on them if they haven’t already. They must be dying to see Bijan get a chance to dominate.
greedygoat
Footballguy
Worst first round pick I've made in redraft in 28 years. Only have myself to blame. I bought into the heavy run first offense that Atlanta has employed the last few years and the high draft capital spent on him. SMH
eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah, I noticed he has not been reeling in his targets lately. Haven't seen them to know how catchable they all were.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
That I dont know.
Just pointing out his opportunity as far as targets goes has not changed.
It just hasn't resulted in touches the last 2 games as much as it did prior to that.
In reference to people saying his touches have been reduced.
satch
Footballguy
Arthur Smith explains why Bijan isn’t used more in the red zone. It all make’s perfect sense now.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Mustaches should be like jersey numbers ..... shave it off in the offseason, fine. Midseason? That ain't right.
MTskibum
Footballguy
That was painful to listen to. I do not get any confidence that he has any idea what he is doing.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Allgeier has MORE carries than Bijan this season and is averaging nearly 2 full yards less per carry. Arthur smith is guilty of first degree coaching malpractice.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Just another example of how I don’t understand how some of these coaches got their job or keep their job. Many of these head coaches in the NFL cannot be all that intelligent.
