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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)

Weebs210 said:
They obviously were fine with Brieda as the #2 as they were okay risking another team grabbing Hightower.
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Exactly

It doesn't make sense to sit in an office (especially considering how little they were paying hightower) to say 'this guy is our number 2 so lets release and then not sign him back for 2 weeks"

 
Weebs210 said:
When you have a running back with the injury history of Hyde would you cut your rb2 to save $100,000? 

Hightower contract
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Depending on the deal they resign him to, they could save half a million here.  I'm not arguing he's their #2, though.  I don't think he is in their eyes. Just explaining what may be happening here.

 
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socrates said:
I would much rather handcuff Hyde with Breida than carry Carson; Breida's path to meaningful playing time this season is a whole lot less congested..

The importance of having Breida really depends upon your RB depth.  Odds are fairly high that Hyde misses time at some point this season.  When (if) that happens, do you have adequate depth to cover, especially if it happens in the midst of bye weeks?
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My RB Depth:

* RB1: J. Ajayi

* RB2: C. Hyde

* RB3 or Flex: A. Abdullah

* RB Bench: R. Kelley, D. Woodhead, R. Burkhead, C. Carson

So, I guess many would consider that quite a bit of depth. 

Losing Carson (or Kupp for that matter) wouldn't be much of a loss.

 
Weebs210 said:
You are right Brieda is free for now and those guys are being drafted when starters are still available. Brieda would get his chance if Hyde went down.
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Breida being free doesn't necessarily mean he's worth rostering.  If you handcuff all your backs, then yes, he's easy to get, but as with any pickup there's an opportunity cost.  In leagues with short to medium benches there isn't always room to handcuff your RBs while carrying some additional lottery tickets.  Which you prefer is a question of philosophy and strategy.  

Also, I do think Breida has earned the #2 role, but that doesn't necessarily mean he becomes the bellcow if Hyde sprains an ankle.  If Hightower comes back, I could easily see a committee.  Does anyone think that Latavius Murray is the Minnesota bellcow if Dalvin Cook goes down, or DeAndre Washington rules Oakland if Lynch does? 

 
killface said:
Exactly

It doesn't make sense to sit in an office (especially considering how little they were paying hightower) to say 'this guy is our number 2 so lets release and then not sign him back for 2 weeks"
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Happens every year.  Lots of teams do it.

Older vets dont have a lot of demand, but have value in the system they are known in.  They are insurance against a rook not panning out, but hopefully arent needed all year long.  Teams cut guys and sign them bak a week later a lot to potentialy save the contract.

Also, the contract isnt the same as the cap hit.  NFL allows teams to sign vets to the vet minimum (which escalates with service time) but only count at the minimum value on the cap. This went in last CBA to protect  ottom-roster vets from losing jobs to youngsters on price alone.

Result, savings may be more than you think?

 
Arodin said:
Happens every year.  Lots of teams do it.

Older vets dont have a lot of demand, but have value in the system they are known in.  They are insurance against a rook not panning out, but hopefully arent needed all year long.  Teams cut guys and sign them bak a week later a lot to potentialy save the contract.

Also, the contract isnt the same as the cap hit.  NFL allows teams to sign vets to the vet minimum (which escalates with service time) but only count at the minimum value on the cap. This went in last CBA to protect  ottom-roster vets from losing jobs to youngsters on price alone.

Result, savings may be more than you think?




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That I believe

I just dont believe any team just up and cuts their backup at any position when said backup is signed for 300k

 
killface said:
Why would a team that considers the guy number 2 in the rb depth chart release him and then not even bother to pick him back up until after week1?  It makes no sense what so ever.  
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It absolutely does make business sense, and this is not an unusual occurence in the NFL. 

 
Weebs210 said:
It is not an unusual occurrence for depth. It is not a move you use for your direct back up rb2.
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That you don't get it doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense for the team.

The 49ers can save money and guarantees on a 31 yr old back up RB who to my knowledge doesn't play special teams by resigning him after week 1.  The likelihood of another team swooping in is very low, so the risk is good for SF.  There is no question that they need another RB.  I'm not sure why the dots don't connect for you.  

It is possible they don't sign him after week 1, but it does make sense to do so if he remains unsigned.

 
Bronco Billy said:
That you don't get it doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense for the team.

The 49ers can save money and guarantees on a 31 yr old back up RB who to my knowledge doesn't play special teams by resigning him after week 1.  The likelihood of another team swooping in is very low, so the risk is good for SF.  There is no question that they need another RB.  I'm not sure why the dots don't connect for you.  

It is possible they don't sign him after week 1, but it does make sense to do so if he remains unsigned.
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We agree on pretty much everything. I'm only arguing that they do not view him as the DIRECT back up to Hyde. They could very well resign him as depth. If they viewed Hightower as the DIRECT back up to Hyde they would not risk him being signed by another team. 

 
Weebs210 said:
We agree on pretty much everything. I'm only arguing that they do not view him as the DIRECT back up to Hyde. They could very well resign him as depth. If they viewed Hightower as the DIRECT back up to Hyde they would not risk him being signed by another team. 
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Well, you could be right but I'll disagree.  IF SF does resign Hightower after week 1, it's not because he's going to be an end-of-the-bench break-glass-only-in-emergency guy.  They can sign a younger player for cheaper who can also play special teams to do that.

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kyoun1e said:
So, safe to assume you Hyde owners aren't bothering with a handcuff then? 
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Yeah, I'm not.  One league is a dynasty and there are many prospects I'd prefer to stash over Breida.  In the other 2 leagues where I have him, I might consider it after week 1 if Hightower doesn't return to the team. 

 
I'm not stashing the handcuff. I haven't even looked for the guy who owns him to see if there is an obvious handcuff trade between us. 

 
in redraft leagues you have to have one hell of a large bench to consider rostering the backup 49er rb... when there are so many other lotto ticket types on better teams/offenses... 

 
iamkoza said:
in redraft leagues you have to have one hell of a large bench to consider rostering the backup 49er rb... when there are so many other lotto ticket types on better teams/offenses... 
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Have you ever owned Hyde before? Let me know when he makes it through a season.

 
Weebs210 said:
Have you ever owned Hyde before? Let me know when he makes it through a season.
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opportunity doesn't always = fantasy production, especially on bad teams... if you believe the backup has ability to be a solid fantasy producer with 15-20 touches, then bully for you. coach's track record indicates the possibility is there. 

 
drafted Hyde as my RB2 and picked up Breida right after news that J Williams was put on IR in a short bench league. Breida will have a healthy workload if Hyde was go to down, will take opportunities over lottery tickets any day.

 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
drafted Hyde as my RB2 and picked up Breida right after news that J Williams was put on IR in a short bench league. Breida will have a healthy workload if Hyde was go to down, will take opportunities over lottery tickets any day.
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by my definition a "lotto ticket" RB is a talented backup RB in a great situation (good team/RB fantasy friendly offense) should the starter go down. breida in fantasy friendly offense, not sure on the other 2 parts of my definition

 
Brieda was a free insurance policy who comes with a 20 percent deductible.  Far better than any mid season waiver wire replacement would be. 

 
Weebs210 said:
Have you ever owned Hyde before? Let me know when he makes it through a season.
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I just offered C. Kupp for Breida.

Other WRs are Aj Green, T. Pryor, Tyrell Williams, A. Thielen. Feel like I have plenty of WR depth so why not get Hyde insurance? 

 
Carlos Hyde rushed nine times for 45 yards and caught all six of his targets for 32 yards in the 49ers' Week 1 loss to the Panthers.

Despite the passing offense struggling to get much going, Hyde was able to consistently gain good yardage on the ground before the 49ers abandoned the run in the second half. In great news for his fantasy value, Hyde still stayed involved with San Francisco in comeback mode and was stopped just short of the goal line on two catches. Hyde has a tough matchup next week in Seattle, but he will be on the RB2 map.

Sep 10 - 7:59 PM
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Carlos Hyde rushed 15 times for 124 yards and caught 3-of-6 targets for 19 yards in the 49ers' Week 2 loss to the Seahawks.

Hyde was the offense on a day Brian Hoyer threw for just 99 yards. His 61-yard scamper -- the longest of his career -- set up the 49ers' first field goal while a 27 yarder set up the second. Even with those runs taken out of the equation, Hyde looked great against a tough defense, routinely bouncing off tacklers. Playing in an offense which has yet to score a touchdown, Hyde is averaging just over seven yards a carry so far this season. He should be treated as a low-end RB1 for Thursday night's matchup with the Rams.
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props to hyde tonight, he played almost the entire second half after being supposedly questionable to return with i have to assume is a hip pointer (profootballdoc guessed oblique). long term if the FB is going to miss time i think it hurts hyde a bit. 

 
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That play where he slipped after the handoff, got up, slipped a tackle, then drove a few guys to the one yard line was awesome.  Should have been a loss if 5-6 and turned it into something.

Can't remember if he scored on that drive, but there were a few instances where he just ran hard all night. Fun to watch.

Also nice to see them give it to him 4 times in a row on that first touchdown.

 
VikingFrog said:
That play where he slipped after the handoff, got up, slipped a tackle, then drove a few guys to the one yard line was awesome.  Should have been a loss if 5-6 and turned it into something.

Can't remember if he scored on that drive, but there were a few instances where he just ran hard all night. Fun to watch.

Also nice to see them give it to him 4 times in a row on that first touchdown.
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Not only the play where he slipped, but on the possession where he got 4 straight runs inside the 5 both the 2nd and 3rd down plays (especially the 2nd down play) should have gone for a loss but he fought and clawed back to the 1 yard line.

On the flipside, getting tackled in the open field on that screen pass on the last possession probably cost them the game.  He would have been able to walk into FG range if he hadn't gotten dragged down there in the open field.

 
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But, but, he's at risk of being cut!?!?!

Gotta love jackhole reporters trying to drum up some page views making up crap that is ridiculously far from the truth

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Not only the play where he slipped, but on the possession where he got 4 straight runs inside the 5 both the 2nd and 3rd down plays (especially the 2nd down play) should have gone for a loss but he fought and clawed back to the 1 yard line.

On the flipside, getting tackled in the open field on that screen pass on the last possession probably cost them the game.  He would have been able to walk into FG range if he hadn't gotten dragged down there in the open field.
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Ridiculously strong game-saving tackle by Barron on that play.  I think it was Celek he beat to the spot and then he got juuuuust enough on Hyde's leg to bring him down.  

Great performance from both backs last night.  Shanahan seems to be getting a handle on his personnel and how to push the offense.  Arrows up for Carlos.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Not only the play where he slipped, but on the possession where he got 4 straight runs inside the 5 both the 2nd and 3rd down plays (especially the 2nd down play) should have gone for a loss but he fought and clawed back to the 1 yard line.

On the flipside, getting tackled in the open field on that screen pass on the last possession probably cost them the game.  He would have been able to walk into FG range if he hadn't gotten dragged down there in the open field.
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I'd have to rewatch, but there defense made a couple of great open field tackles. One up the right sideline in the first half or maybe 3rd quarter as well.

Yes, he probably should have slipped that tackle. But I personally don't see it as a knock against him.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
On the flipside, getting tackled in the open field on that screen pass on the last possession probably cost them the game.  He would have been able to walk into FG range if he hadn't gotten dragged down there in the open field.
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Mark Barron made the play of his life reaching back behind him to tackle Hyde on that play - it was an incredible game-saving tackle. Hyde had 3 blockers in front of him and would have either put them in FG range or taken it to the house. 

Gotta give credit where due - Hyde ran the way he was supposed to, and you can't fault him for that stop because Barron made an out of his mind sensational play.

 
VikingFrog said:
I'd have to rewatch, but there defense made a couple of great open field tackles. One up the right sideline in the first half or maybe 3rd quarter as well.

Yes, he probably should have slipped that tackle. But I personally don't see it as a knock against him.
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I knew Hyde was going to have a breakout year.  Team right ahead of me took him in our draft.

 
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