RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)

[chinawildman]

Hyde is irrelevant unless gore gets hurt

I think that is an oversimplification. He was on the field for a significant portion of the offensive snaps this season, and plays on a productive (if only in fantasy terms) offense....that, in and of itself, make him relevant.

Depends on the game script. If the 49ers defense doesn't pick up, then Hyde's chances will diminish. But if the 49ers have a nice lead in their easier games, I think Hyde will get plenty of chances to wear down defenses. The 49ers have already shown that they don't want to wear down Gore too much.

I dunno, I kinda think if they're playing from behind they'll actually hustle a little bit more and just get more plays off. Feels like Kaepernick likes to run the clock down to zero on almost every down.

I don't think pass protection is an issue w/ Hyde the coaching staff seems to trust him fully. He was in on the majority of the last series in the Bears game from what I recall.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Hyde is irrelevant unless gore gets hurt

I think that is an oversimplification. He was on the field for a significant portion of the offensive snaps this season, and plays on a productive (if only in fantasy terms) offense....that, in and of itself, make him relevant.

Depends on the game script. If the 49ers defense doesn't pick up, then Hyde's chances will diminish. But if the 49ers have a nice lead in their easier games, I think Hyde will get plenty of chances to wear down defenses. The 49ers have already shown that they don't want to wear down Gore too much.

I dunno, I kinda think if they're playing from behind they'll actually hustle a little bit more and just get more plays off. Feels like Kaepernick likes to run the clock down to zero on almost every down.

I don't think pass protection is an issue w/ Hyde the coaching staff seems to trust him fully. He was in on the majority of the last series in the Bears game from what I recall.

I feel like Hyde will have some very solid games as a flex. But the problem will be trying to identify when those games will happen. I am betting I'll insert Hyde vs. a weak run defense this year as a bye week flex.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde rushed three times for 13 yards and a touchdown in San Francisco's Week 3 loss to the Cardinals.

He caught two passes, but lost two yards through the air. Hyde's score was a toss where he found the edge, and delivered punishment to two Cardinals defenders at the goal line. It was his second touchdown in three games, giving him one more than Frank Gore. Gore has out-touched Hyde 37-17, however. Hyde's main value comes as Gore's handcuff. Standalone, he's an RB4.

Sep 21 - 7:41 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the 49ers informed Frank Gore in the offseason that he had to earn his roster spot in training camp after the team drafted Carlos Hyde.

On the surface, it comes as a bit of a shock. But considering Gore is 31 and carries a $6.45 million salary, it's not that surprising. Gore is averaging two fewer carries per game this season compared to last, and we'd expect his carries total to dip deeper into the season. It's probably a good idea to sell Gore in re-draft. Hyde is the future at running back in the Bay. He's a good target for Dynasty owners with Gore set to become a free agent in the offseason.

Related: Carlos Hyde

Source: Chris Wesseling on Twitter

Oct 13 - 7:41 PM

 

[munygon2]

It's an interesting blurb, especially the part about selling Gore in redraft. Need to make sure Hyde is on your bench just in case.

 

[Air Stich]

Gore looks upset about being pulled out of the game for Hyde so often.

Is this gonna be a McKinnon/Asiata situation?

 

[biju]

Gore looks upset about being pulled out of the game for Hyde so often.

Is this gonna be a McKinnon/Asiata situation?

Seems like an apt comparison. Hyde is Asiata'ing his way for 3.2 YPC. Actually, Asiata has 3.5 YPC so I'm not sure if that's fair to Asiata.

 

[kingmalaki]

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the 49ers informed Frank Gore in the offseason that he had to earn his roster spot in training camp after the team drafted Carlos Hyde.

On the surface, it comes as a bit of a shock. But considering Gore is 31 and carries a $6.45 million salary, it's not that surprising. Gore is averaging two fewer carries per game this season compared to last, and we'd expect his carries total to dip deeper into the season. It's probably a good idea to sell Gore in re-draft. Hyde is the future at running back in the Bay. He's a good target for Dynasty owners with Gore set to become a free agent in the offseason.

Related: Carlos Hyde

Source: Chris Wesseling on Twitter

Oct 13 - 7:41 PM

Didn't realize Gore is a free agent. Sounds like Hyde is a must grab in dynasty.

 

[Mainevent]

Lattimore still have a shot here? Anyone still believe he can come in and take the job?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Gore looks upset about being pulled out of the game for Hyde so often.

Is this gonna be a McKinnon/Asiata situation?

Seems like an apt comparison. Hyde is Asiata'ing his way for 3.2 YPC. Actually, Asiata has 3.5 YPC so I'm not sure if that's fair to Asiata.

This is a bit deceptive in that Hyde gets a fair amount of goal line and short yardage work. Even last night, they were in clock killing mode, so over a limited sample, it would skew his average quite a bit.

 

[humpback]

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the 49ers informed Frank Gore in the offseason that he had to earn his roster spot in training camp after the team drafted Carlos Hyde.

On the surface, it comes as a bit of a shock. But considering Gore is 31 and carries a $6.45 million salary, it's not that surprising. Gore is averaging two fewer carries per game this season compared to last, and we'd expect his carries total to dip deeper into the season. It's probably a good idea to sell Gore in re-draft. Hyde is the future at running back in the Bay. He's a good target for Dynasty owners with Gore set to become a free agent in the offseason.

Related: Carlos Hyde

Source: Chris Wesseling on Twitter

Oct 13 - 7:41 PM

No surprise, but they're denying it:

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Cam InmanVerified account‏@CamInmanGM Trent Baalke says "no truth" to NFL Network report that #49ershttps://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash approached Frank Gore in offseason & told him roster spot in jeopardy

 

[Tool]

Lattimore still have a shot here? Anyone still believe he can come in and take the job?

Other than his mom, no.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde had three carries for 15 yards in Week 7 against the Broncos.

Hyde didn't get his first carry until the third quarter. The 49ers were forced to abandon the run, with Hyde and Frank Gore combining for just 14 touches. Hyde played limited snaps and was mostly used in mop-up duty. The 49ers could look to get Hyde more involved in the second half of the season.


Oct 20 - 1:30 AM

 

[JimmyJabroni]

Things looking really good for Hyde to be the guy next year now with Gore an aging Free Agent and Lattimore not able to come back from his knee issue

 

[DoubleG]

Things looking really good for Hyde to be the guy next year now with Gore an aging Free Agent and Lattimore not able to come back from his knee issue

You do realize that Hyde is averaging only 3.56 YPC and is only averaging about 6 carries a game, while Gore has rushed for 4.07 YPC and has more than double that number of rushes. It's also worth noting that the 4 losses SF has suffered were ALL games where Gore carried the ball 13 times or less. In games where they have fed him the ball 16+ times they are 4-0. Now, some would suggest that you run less when you're losing - but only the Denver game was a blowout. The other three were less than 10 point losses. If San Fran ever gets smart enough to remember that they are not the Broncos, Gore will once again be rushing 18-22 times and putting up numbers like he did in weeks 4 & 5.

Will Hyde be Gore's replacement at some point down the road? Maybe - but he'd sure as heck better start doing better than Gore first.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

Things looking really good for Hyde to be the guy next year now with Gore an aging Free Agent and Lattimore not able to come back from his knee issue

You do realize that Hyde is averaging only 3.56 YPC and is only averaging about 6 carries a game, while Gore has rushed for 4.07 YPC and has more than double that number of rushes. It's also worth noting that the 4 losses SF has suffered were ALL games where Gore carried the ball 13 times or less. In games where they have fed him the ball 16+ times they are 4-0. Now, some would suggest that you run less when you're losing - but only the Denver game was a blowout. The other three were less than 10 point losses. If San Fran ever gets smart enough to remember that they are not the Broncos, Gore will once again be rushing 18-22 times and putting up numbers like he did in weeks 4 & 5.

Will Hyde be Gore's replacement at some point down the road? Maybe - but he'd sure as heck better start doing better than Gore first.

For Dynasty and Keeper purposes, Gore is a Free Agent after this season. Do you think they will give him another contract and continue paying his salary?

 

[steelers1080]

That stat about his number of rushes correlating to wins is very deceptive. If your team gets down they need to pass to catch up, therefore you run less. And if you're winning you run down the clock by... running the ball more.

 

[brocksolid]

Gore limited in practice (hip)

I picked up Hyde.. this is the same injury that limited Gore in previous years.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/frank-gore-hip-limited-practice/

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Gore limited in practice (hip)

I picked up Hyde.. this is the same injury that limited Gore in previous years.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/frank-gore-hip-limited-practice/

I dropped Martin for him in a keeper league. At least I see a future here in addition to maybe some current production.

 

[brocksolid]

Gore limited in practice (hip)

I picked up Hyde.. this is the same injury that limited Gore in previous years.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/frank-gore-hip-limited-practice/

I dropped Martin for him in a keeper league. At least I see a future here in addition to maybe some current production.

good call

I am in bye week hell right now. I dropped Antone Smith for him. He should get 50% of the touches vs Saints. Gore hasn't produce much the past few games...and now banged up. Could be a changing of the guard in time for fantasy playoffs

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde rushed four times for 36 yards and a touchdown in San Francisco's Week 10 loss to the Saints.

Hyde churned out nine rugged yards on his first-quarter touchdown, but didn't see the ball again until overtime. Hyde ripped off gains of 15, nine and three in the extra period. He remains an unpredictable, touchdown-dependent bet behind Frank Gore, but Hyde should be owned in all 12-14 team leagues for the season's stretch run.

Nov 9 - 5:59 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde rushed seven times for 16 yards and a touchdown in the 49ers' Week 12 win over the Redskins.

Hyde lost a costly fumble in the second quarter. He spent a long spell on the bench after that, but powered in for the game-winning touchdown from four yards out in the fourth quarter. Frank Gore hasn't been running particularly well in the second half of the season, but neither has Hyde on a per-attempt basis. Hyde is an RB3/4 entering Thursday night's game against the Seahawks.

Nov 23 - 8:00 PM

 

[Jerry Curl]

I got a funny feeling he may get some more carries going forward and so does this guy at NFL.com. He may be worth a start against Oakland coming up. Since the wire is thin and he is out there in most redrafts, what do others think of the speculative add and the Gore dynamic going forward?

Carlos Hyde, San Francisco 49ers (37.5 percent owned): The running back position is so thin right now, that I wanted to use this space as a reminder about Los Hyde. He hasn't really garnered enough touches or done enough on the field to really merit must-add consideration, but he has been looking strong in recent weeks and there are plenty of football pundits clamoring for him to see more touches. If you have space on your roster and he's available, he's worth a speculative add and stash in case he ends up usurping more carries from Frank Gore. http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/story/0ap3000000433835/article/deep-dive-forgotten-rbs-wrs-to-add-off-waivers?campaign=Twitter_writers_gelhar

 

[DoubleG]

Honestly, I think alot of people are seeing what they want to see with Hyde. He just had 7 carries for 16 yards. That's very T Rich like. Sure, he could get some more touches moving forward - especially with Gore getting a little dinged up. But there may be better options than a guy who just rushed for 2.28 ypc.

 

[Faust]

49ers rookie Carlos Hyde delivers winning score

By Scott Ostler

Carlos Hyde doesn’t have a fumbler rep, but the 49ers’ rookie backup running back coughed up the ball on the first play of the second quarter Sunday, giving the rock to Washington near midfield.

“I just felt like I let everybody down,” Hyde said. “It took me a minute to get over that play.”

Frank Gore, durable as he is, can’t carry the entire rushing load for the 49ers. They need Hyde, but they didn’t go back to him until the fourth quarter. Running backs coach Tom Rathman told Hyde, “You’re up. Two hands on the ball.”

On 1st-and-10 with 4½ minutes to go, Hyde picked up 5 yards, to the Washington 14, on what looked like a zero-gain play. Two plays later, he slashed through a nice hole in the defense for a 4-yard touchdown that gave the 49ers the win.

“I saw a big hole, you coulda run through there,” Hyde said to a sportswriter, and that’s a high compliment to Hyde’s blockers. “I was one-on-one with the safety. With a full head of steam going into the end zone, I doubt if anyone could stop me on that play.”

Hyde’s blockers believe he runs better than the average sportswriter.

Fullback Bruce Miller credited the offensive line for the hole on that play, but added, “When he gets going downhill, he’s pretty tough to bring down. I know he took a hit but he shook it off and got into the end zone. Just a good job by the guys up front and a good job by Carlos getting his pads downhill.”

Tackle Joe Staley called Hyde “a one-cut runner,” someone who doesn’t get cute or dance much.

“Yeah, I don’t try to do any” dancing, said Hyde, who’s 6-foot, 235 pounds. “That’s what I call a scatback, the guy who dances around. I’m not a scatback. I just try to get my pads north and south and get to the end zone.”

Hyde didn’t have a big stat day (seven rushes for 16 yards), but head coach Jim Harbaugh said, “I thought he was running it inspired. Had the fumble, (but) he was locked into the mission. You can tell by the way he was running the football.”

Hyde said he hoped the two big runs on that game-deciding drive showed his teammates and coaches that he can be trusted.

“We’ll see,” he said. “I fumbled and they put the ball back in my hands. That told me a lot. So just keep trying to build that trust with my coaches so they can put the ball in my hands more.”

 

[fredsavage]

As a dynasty owner I'm a little concerned by his lowish ypc this year and fear he won't get started touches this year and perhaps in the future as I expect new blood in San Fran due to the departures of James and lattimore. Still holding on though obviously as a lot of people still think highly of him and he was said to be pretty complete out of Ohio st

 

[Tanner9919]

Very Ron Dayne-ish.have him in a keeper league.not impressed..doubtful he does much in the NFL.

 

[DoubleG]

... he was said to be pretty complete out of Ohio st

Please see Trent Richardson, Mark Ingram, Chris Wells, Chris Brown, Domanik Davis, Shawn Greene, Knoshon Moreno, etc. Don't get me wrong - he's a clear hold in dynasty. Not dumping yet.

 

[Tool]

should be a top 10 rb next year. definitely buy if you can. wouldn't worry about the low YPC this year. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

 

[spider321]

Very Ron Dayne-ish.have him in a keeper league.not impressed..doubtful he does much in the NFL.

LOL.

Trying to drive down the price much?

Hyde is nothing like Dayne. Dayne was a ballerina behind the line, trying to avoid contact.

 

[DoubleG]

should be a top 10 rb next year. definitely buy if you can. wouldn't worry about the low YPC this year. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Waiter - I'll have two of whatever he's having.

I agree - stats don't always tell the whole story. But there have been numerous cases where a guy "looked the part" or "had all the measurables" coming out of college - but it didn't translate to the NFL. Above I named just a few, but there are dozens more just in the past few drafts.

 

[Dizzy]

May get to see more Hyde Thursday night. Gore has a knee, a hip, and a short work week.

 

[Tool]

should be a top 10 rb next year. definitely buy if you can. wouldn't worry about the low YPC this year. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Waiter - I'll have two of whatever he's having.

I agree - stats don't always tell the whole story. But there have been numerous cases where a guy "looked the part" or "had all the measurables" coming out of college - but it didn't translate to the NFL. Above I named just a few, but there are dozens more just in the past few drafts.

I'm not basing my opinion on anything he did in college but on how he's looked in the NFL.

 

[DoubleG]

should be a top 10 rb next year. definitely buy if you can. wouldn't worry about the low YPC this year. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

Waiter - I'll have two of whatever he's having.

I agree - stats don't always tell the whole story. But there have been numerous cases where a guy "looked the part" or "had all the measurables" coming out of college - but it didn't translate to the NFL. Above I named just a few, but there are dozens more just in the past few drafts.

I'm not basing my opinion on anything he did in college but on how he's looked in the NFL.

Okay, well, I guess if the 3.64 YPC versus the 4.00 for the "old guy" he's replacing excites you, have at it. Like I said, if I had him, I wouldn't sell - but if I didn't I wouldn't necessarily be paying a whole lot for him either. I realize YPC doesn't tell the entire story - but it it does say something. To me it says he hasn't proven much at the NFL level yet.

It is absolutely possible that Gore will be done in SF after this year and Hyde will be "the guy" there. But it is also fairly possible that it turns into a JStew/DWill situation. Or that SF brings in other RBs either via draft or FA. I just don't think Hyde has done anything to show (me or the 49er brass) that he is unquestionably the answer at RB in 2015.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde - RB - 49ers

Carlos Hyde rushed five times for 19 yards and caught three passes for 38 yards Week 13 against the Seahawks.

Hyde was more effective than Frank Gore in this one, but still only managed 3.8 yards per carry against Seattle's stout run defense. Hyde is averaging eight touches a game over his last three and has found the end zone in two of his last four. He will be a RB4 Week 14 against Oakland.

Nov 28 - 12:05 AM

 

[gpthatsme]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

I'm actually starting Hyde over LM this week.

 

[Keerock]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

He could have killed their draft position perhaps.

 

[Keerock]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

He could have killed their draft position perhaps.

 

[Sabertooth]

Long term I have Hyde over Jeremy Hill.

 

[FF Ninja]

2011, 12, and 13 Frank Gore has ranked 12th, 11th, and 13th despite playing all 16 games which greatly helps when only looking at season end totals. For those saying Hyde will be top 10, you need to check your enthusiasm. Hyde would be lucky to be as good as a 30 year old Gore at any point in Hyde's career. I think the best realistic scenario for Hyde would be to be RB18 on a ppg basis. It would take a combination of health, improved passing threat, and improved offensive line for him to stand a chance at cracking top 10. Not to mention some game breaking ability he has yet to show.

I'm not going to avoid him in redraft next year, but I won't be taking him before RB20. If they bring someone else in to compete with him, that number can be dropped lower. People expecting him to pick up right where Gore left off are crazy, but people expecting him to improve upon what Gore did should be checked into an institution immediately. I can't believe what an under appreciated talent Gore is.

 

[JackReacher]

2011, 12, and 13 Frank Gore has ranked 12th, 11th, and 13th despite playing all 16 games which greatly helps when only looking at season end totals. For those saying Hyde will be top 10, you need to check your enthusiasm. Hyde would be lucky to be as good as a 30 year old Gore at any point in Hyde's career. I think the best realistic scenario for Hyde would be to be RB18 on a ppg basis. It would take a combination of health, improved passing threat, and improved offensive line for him to stand a chance at cracking top 10. Not to mention some game breaking ability he has yet to show.

I'm not going to avoid him in redraft next year, but I won't be taking him before RB20. If they bring someone else in to compete with him, that number can be dropped lower. People expecting him to pick up right where Gore left off are crazy, but people expecting him to improve upon what Gore did should be checked into an institution immediately. I can't believe what an under appreciated talent Gore is.

As much as I'd like to see Hyde breakout in 2015, since I spent a first on him, I'm inclined to agree with all of this

 

[gpthatsme]

We saw Latavius Murray straight kill the Raiders on limited carries not as the starter. Do we see something similar out of Hyde this week coming off the bench? Is this the week he gets a real opportunity 'if' the 49ers get up, and because of the opponent, maybe he looks amazing... Just curious what the group-think is...

I see my error here. I wrote this while sitting on a boring conference call so my mind was somewhat in two places at the same time. I have LM, Hyde and Tre Mason. I was referring to Tre looking good against the Raiders last week, but typed the wrong thing. My question still stands.

 

[gpthatsme]

2011, 12, and 13 Frank Gore has ranked 12th, 11th, and 13th despite playing all 16 games which greatly helps when only looking at season end totals. For those saying Hyde will be top 10, you need to check your enthusiasm. Hyde would be lucky to be as good as a 30 year old Gore at any point in Hyde's career. I think the best realistic scenario for Hyde would be to be RB18 on a ppg basis. It would take a combination of health, improved passing threat, and improved offensive line for him to stand a chance at cracking top 10. Not to mention some game breaking ability he has yet to show.

I'm not going to avoid him in redraft next year, but I won't be taking him before RB20. If they bring someone else in to compete with him, that number can be dropped lower. People expecting him to pick up right where Gore left off are crazy, but people expecting him to improve upon what Gore did should be checked into an institution immediately. I can't believe what an under appreciated talent Gore is.

My question relates to just this one game. Does he shine this weekend?

 

[mquinnjr]

Depending on how Gore feels after the half, might get to see what he's got with the starter workload.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Carlos Hyde - RB - 49ers

Carlos Hyde said he injured his back, not his ankle, in Sunday's loss at Seattle.

Hyde went down awkwardly in the third quarter and didn't return. Although it was announced as a right ankle issue, the rookie back said his back is the one he was going for X-rays on. With Frank Gore in the concussion protocol, it's a situation worth monitoring.

Source: ESPN.com

Dec 14 - 9:30 PM

 

[oddsbodkins]

Of course he gets hurt when he was absolutely torching. Should be a no-brainer keeper next year.

 

[zamboni]

Should be a no-brainer keeper next year.

Probably, but hard to say with a potentially new regime coming in and the team at a crossroads. Doesn't seem like nearly as much of a fluid, high fantasy potential situation that it was coming into this year.

 

[humpback]

Should be a no-brainer keeper next year.

Probably, but hard to say with a potentially new regime coming in and the team at a crossroads. Doesn't seem like nearly as much of a fluid, high fantasy potential situation that it was coming into this year.

Agreed. Seemed like a great situation in the beginning of the year, now it's completely up in the air.