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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I think so. If Fournette is done and Jax rights the ship defensively you want a power RB in this offense
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Correct me if I'm wrong, Ajayi was/is on his rookie contract. Compared to Hyde, difference of 4.5 million in base salary, which may or not mean much to an NFL team. My amateur take is that Ajayi had more trade value last year.
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If Fournette is healthy, I agree. He won't be backing up Yeldon, however.
I just feel like another shoe is going to drop. You don't trade a 5th round pick for a two week rental. They could have picked up a number of guys off the streets for that.
If Coughlin engineered this trade, this is for depth and to have an ORDERLY time share.
This is not to overuse Lesean McCoy/Fournette until they're run into the ground and beaten up like Marrone does.
I think Fournette is the elite back and that there's no question he is. He may need time (not just hammy but whole bod )to get healthy before their late season push.
The former OL coach, Marrone, thinks everyone can just tough everything out and play every play. The former WR coach, Coughlin, knows how to manage hammies and little injuries that creep up throughout the year. I bet the ol ball coach is teaching Marrone a thing or two here.
Now you've got three backs, four if ol Charles gets it together. Use all four.
Unless Charles hits the fountain of youth, I bet Hyde could have some value on third down with his receiving ability. He may only get so many carries but for PPR leagues, he could have that catch value too.
This is not to overuse Lesean McCoy/Fournette until they're run into the ground and beaten up like Marrone does.
I think Fournette is the elite back and that there's no question he is. He may need time (not just hammy but whole bod )to get healthy before their late season push.
The former OL coach, Marrone, thinks everyone can just tough everything out and play every play. The former WR coach, Coughlin, knows how to manage hammies and little injuries that creep up throughout the year. I bet the ol ball coach is teaching Marrone a thing or two here.
Now you've got three backs, four if ol Charles gets it together. Use all four.
Unless Charles hits the fountain of youth, I bet Hyde could have some value on third down with his receiving ability. He may only get so many carries but for PPR leagues, he could have that catch value too.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hyde also seems like Coughlin’s kind of RB from the NYG days. It just seems like a weird acquisition to make with Yeldon in place. I get Leonard should be back Week 10 but if so Hyde would be needed for a largish role week 8 only. I suppose it makes sense as a hedge on case LF gets injured again.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Really, Cleveland getting fifth-round picks for Gordon and Hyde tells you what you need to know about their front office, if that's what you're looking to suss out.
Just a terrible organization right now, unless you think a fifth is worth both a font-line receiver and RB.
SMH.
Awful.
Just a terrible organization right now, unless you think a fifth is worth both a font-line receiver and RB.
SMH.
Awful.
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rockaction
Footballguy
So Hyde truly is a JAG right now, eh?
We'll see...
We'll see...
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
They signed Hyde before they drafted Chubb and he underwhelmed as the lead back. Great move to get at least something for him and get the more talented rb more playing time.
rockaction
Footballguy
Kinda goes to dysfunction, IMHO.
Gordon for a back-end fifth and Hyde for the same are not value. You'd never get their talent in the fifth.
rockaction
Footballguy
And I realize draft picks are important, but in no way do these work. It just sounds like compiling picks for stat nerds.
battlestar
Footballguy
interesting, was considering offering him to the Ebron owner (he has Ertz, I have Doyle). But I am not sure it's worth it. If Fournette is out longer I think Hydes value for this season goes up a lot.
creepythinman
Footballguy
Yeldon has been gimpy for weeks and Jax (rightly) refuses to use him in lead running form, with most of his runs coming out of shotgun.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
I think they already tried that with Jamaal Charles as well as looking at a lot of other guys and decided the gap between Carlos Hyde and the best street free agent or practice squad guy was worth a fifth round pick.
Basically, even when drafting, a fifth round pick MIGHT get you a quality backup NFL RB. So if that's how they view Hyde long term, then this was a fair deal for the Jags.
That's fair logic. Is Yeldon signed beyond this season? If not, this makes a lot more sense. Hyde seems a little expensive as a long-term back up plan, though.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think T.J. Yeldon was drafted under Coughlin. Guys that are Presidents of Football Operations often want their own. Such might be the case we're seeing here.
I believe Yeldon is free next year. Hyde’s contract situation is also such that he can be waived for little dead cap space next year if I recall correctly. I actually think that this is more about Fournette and Yeldon both not being right. They must be worried that Fournette may not get healthy this year and they see what a weak run game does to them. Hyde hasn’t been efficient this year but he’s had flashes and that sort of thing is hard to judge with an ineffective or rookie qb behind center. Jax is a better place for Hyde if he gets a shot and Hyde has been a successful player in the past. He’s a hold right now, his upside, though unlikely, is worth far more than his perceived value. And he probably has more upside than anyone on your wire. Unless Chubb is there, then break your finger hitting the add button as fast as possible
Hyde has never rushed for 1000 yards and is 28 years old. People always act like he just came out of Ohio State and ooh he'll reach his potential someday. Backs are done at 30, WYSIWYG at 28.
Josh Gordon hasn't had a GOOD season in five years and is one mistake away from a lifetime ban AND will be 28 after the season.
Do you really think every team is like ooh this fifth rounder is going to be a stud? Cmon that's a swing for the fences pick or a backup TE or...cmon
Baker was absolutely a party animal in college. Do you think the Browns haven't discussed keeping him "out of harms way" this offseason?
If Chubb rocks, as they think he will with his TEN yard average, how much trade value will Hyde have after Chubb does well?
How about if the Browns had the foresight to sign him to essentially a one mil contract they could get out of this year? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/carlos-hyde-14467/
I think they handled these two guys very well. They supported Gordon and got him through a gigantic personal struggle when other teams probably would have given up They had concerns with Hyde and their own stable of backs and....well see above
rockaction
Footballguy
Maybe a million dollar risk? Not even 1% of the cap?
Like Tyrod, he got things done for them. They needed work ethic, professionalism...whatever that these veterans could inject
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeldon is on the last year of his contract. Hyde has two more years so it gives Jax a very reliable back up on contract for next year already. Yeldon goes elsewhere next year.
4th&inches
Footballguy
my guess (and only a guess) is that they weren't sure what they'd get in the draft from the RB position, so they signed a somewhat proven talent in Hyde before the draft itself just to be covered.
Once they drafted Chubb, they still had the investment in Hyde, so they might as well use him and showcase him for another team...apparently it worked.
rockaction
Footballguy
I disagree. Hyde's a good back at his ADP. Coughlin doesn't go round with bad backs. That's evidence to the contrary, is Coughlin picking him up for a few games at fifth-round status. Wow.Ilov80s said:
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
This guy droppable in redraft or a hold?
TartanLion
Footballguy
Considering dropping. Honestly, as a Conner owner I think I’d be as well picking up his handcuff on the off chance he gets injured, as that is pretty much what Hyde looks like he will be this season. Even if Fournette breaks down again you have Yeldon to eat into the share
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Droppable in redraft AND dynasty?
matttyl
Footballguy
To what end? What's his best case scenario here? He stays in Jax in 2019 and he's a backup to Fournette (who we all know can get injured, sure). He's cut from Jax (as that's a hefty salary for a backup, especially one who will be 28/29 for them) and he's a free agent in the same pool as Bell, Ingram, Coleman, Ajayi, Murray, and Yeldon.JoeJoe88 said:
Maybe he's not "droppable", but if you can get a late pick for him I don't see the harm.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well if we're talking best case then I'd guess it would be something like him getting cut and then signing with Houston to be the lead back there next year.
If he gets to FA then it's all a big roll of the dice on landing spot. McKinnon was just one in a big pool of FA RBs last year until he landed in the best spot.
I have him on one roster and he was great for his value until he got traded last year. I am hoping he lands in a spot that will give him a chance as he is dirt cheap.
rockaction
Footballguy
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I think the contract was the issue, he will still land somewhere and be in a time share I would think
I don't think he had much with the Jags, but it all depends on where he ends up- there are a few spots where he could get a decent boost (although doesn't seem likely).
Probably the end of his NFL relevancy. Looking at a list of FA RB's, I see at least 10 guys I'd rather sign than Hyde if I were an NFL team. Plus another 10(or so) rookies.
