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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
:shuked:
Kind of a bad sign that he isn't one of the 58 prospects that will be featured on the draft telecast, right?
Hopefully they asked and he said no.
Looks like only 3 RBs will be a part...Swift, Taylor and Dobbins. I think when it comes to RBs round 3 is still fine, especially if it's a good landing spot.
Hopefully they asked and he said no.
Looks like only 3 RBs will be a part...Swift, Taylor and Dobbins. I think when it comes to RBs round 3 is still fine, especially if it's a good landing spot.
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matuski
Footballguy
I'll say it again. McCaffrey light.
He doesn't have the measurables, but that option route is run to perfection.. he makes that LB go the wrong way over and over and over.
matuski
Footballguy
Very true, and RB is hugely dependent on where he gets taken.
eta - I'll answer post draft.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I think the top 5 rbs are all good prospects, but dobbins/Clyde/Akers are all more scheme dependent imo. I think you can make a case for taking each over the other. Landing spot will be key for each of them, like most rookies. Couple that with the crop of wrs, add in the next tier of backs that are also pretty decent in their own right, and this class will be rife with sleepers and probably a couple busts.
rockaction
Footballguy
Still confused. I have been very wrong about sports before.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Does it really matter? A video game offense just took him over any of those guys.
i didn’t think he’d be the 1st rb taken, but he was and went to best offense in nfl. Easy 1.01 in Rookie drafts
rockaction
Footballguy
This was my reaction at first too. If he emerges as the consensus 1.1 I'll be interested to see just how much people are willing to pay. I could imagine one of Swift/Dobbins or Taylor overtaking CEH if they go to say TB or PIT respectively. I could see people viewing CEH as a role player luxury pick (whether accurate or not) after the buzz wears off.
I'll say this as an LSU fan: I've been quiet on him because I really couldn't decide on how much value I thought he might have in the NFL. Watching him every week, I can say he was underappreciated by the national media as a major engine in the offense, arguably the next guy after Burrow who really made things flow. I tend to undervalue LSU players, I guess because I'm always neurotic when I'm watching them play. So I'm not very valuable to anyone here, including myself. I think he's mostly been underestimated because of his size and one year of elite production (in an offense that admittedly floated all boats). This pick could swing things too far in the opposite direction. Or not.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
For those that were sold on Taylor or Swift it might matter but not such much with me. I've been on that bandwagon but to some degree it adds more value to pick 4-5 as it pushes those other players down I notch. Now it Moss or Vaughn get picked in more favorable spots compared to Taylor and Swift it pushes that number down to 5-6 and just deepens the draft.
Tex
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Disagree. KC is a much better spot long term and they picked CEH over swift. CEH will be with Mahomes for years. Brady isn’t going to be around more than 1-2 years max playing at a high level.
it’s not close IMO.
I-ROK
Footballguy
good points but KC is looking rbbc and CEH doesnt have the size to be an NFL work horse RB
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
True. Some may draw a line in the sand and not budge. Probably a mistake by them, but who knows. Lots of rb talent. I love Taylor but would take CEH over him without a doubt knowing CEH went to KC
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
People said same thing about MJD. CEH is short but compact. Also in KC the offense is wide open. He won’t have to be a grinder to get FF points.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Agree. Williams will get some touches, but CEH getting 15-18 touches in that offense will be explosive FF wise. He’s a beast receiver.
[Palmer] Brett Veach told Andy Reid to watch some Clyde Edwards-Helaire film and told Reid you’ll see Brian Westbrook. Reid watched. Then got back to Veach and said he’s better than Westbrook.
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1253547212266586112?s=20
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1253547212266586112?s=20
100% agree. MJD was bigger, but CEH's size never made sense to me as a concern. He's compact, extremely low center of gravity, great contact balance. He's "small" in a way that has worked out fine for other NFL RBs, especially with his 3-down profile and especially in a system like KC's.
I expressed some measure of caution earlier in the thread, and I'm keeping an even keel for now. But I don't see his size as an issue and agree that he'll churn out ppr points in KC where he won't need to get heavy volume in terms of carries. If you want to ding CEH on only breaking out for one year, that's fair game, especially since at LSU RBs have not had as much of an issue thriving as QBs (though we haven't thrown to RBs like we did this year in more than a decade). But the non-prototype concerns make less sense to me now that we have a sense of scheme fit.
I also agree with comments about about sticking too much to predetermination on guys like Swift, etc. I still like the other top backs and I'm still waiting to see where they land tomorrow night. But a 3-down back just went to Andy Reid and the best QB in the league. Kinda cool.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Edwards-Helaire has the most exciting comps of any 2020 prospect, including Kareem Hunt and Alvin Kamara, two of the strongest WAR producers at the position in recent seasons. The obvious difference between his comps and those for the running backs above is receiving production. Edwards-Helaire averaged 3.7 receptions per game and accounted for 70% of running back receptions for LSU last season.
The floor for Edwards-Helaire isn’t much higher than other top running backs, but he has the best ceiling and mean of any at 0.70 and 0.41 WAR.
Tex
The floor for Edwards-Helaire isn’t much higher than other top running backs, but he has the best ceiling and mean of any at 0.70 and 0.41 WAR.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
CEH took over as the primary RB for LSU in his junior season and immediately set career highs in rushing and receiving. His 1,414 rushing yards2 was good for No. 15 in the nation. He also flashed strong receiving skills, catching 55 balls for 453 yards. CEH continued to play a role on special teams for LSU, returning 12 kicks for 214 yards. Most importantly, CEH showcased a three-down skillset against several strong opponents.
It should be noted that Texas (9), Florida (7), Auburn (9), and Alabama (3) were all ranked inside the top 10 when LSU played against them. Given that CEH showed out against top opponents, I’m optimistic that he can be a solid contributor in the NFL as a rusher and receiver.
His final season Backfield Dominator Rating of 0.8 is superior to that of several highly projected RB prospects, most notably: J.K. Dobbins (0.68), D’Andre Swift (0.47), Cam Akers (0.74), and Jonathan Taylor (0.62). Note that a higher Backfield Dominator Rating season doesn’t mean that he’s a superior prospect, but it does suggest that Edwards-Helaire could be undervalued relative to his peers.
Two of the more important indicators for RB success in the NFL are breakout age and final season adjusted all-purpose yards per game. Given CEH contributions in all three phases of the game, we can see that he performs quite well in this metric.
This shows why KC picked him over the rest of the RB class.
Tex
It should be noted that Texas (9), Florida (7), Auburn (9), and Alabama (3) were all ranked inside the top 10 when LSU played against them. Given that CEH showed out against top opponents, I’m optimistic that he can be a solid contributor in the NFL as a rusher and receiver.
His final season Backfield Dominator Rating of 0.8 is superior to that of several highly projected RB prospects, most notably: J.K. Dobbins (0.68), D’Andre Swift (0.47), Cam Akers (0.74), and Jonathan Taylor (0.62). Note that a higher Backfield Dominator Rating season doesn’t mean that he’s a superior prospect, but it does suggest that Edwards-Helaire could be undervalued relative to his peers.
Two of the more important indicators for RB success in the NFL are breakout age and final season adjusted all-purpose yards per game. Given CEH contributions in all three phases of the game, we can see that he performs quite well in this metric.
This shows why KC picked him over the rest of the RB class.
Tex
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one. Every year guys get taken way eailer or later than expected, but it always surprises me.
I'd say he's the 1.01 for me, only way that changes if Swift goes to Tampa.
I'd say he's the 1.01 for me, only way that changes if Swift goes to Tampa.
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