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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL

Dr. Dan said:
Mixon had one incident... Cook 5

Cook has a much longer list

As a side note... Mixon was found not guilty of any criminal wrong doing, but people still hold this against him. 

Seems like a pattern. Sure, he hasn't been convicted but he sure isn't winning citizen of the year awards. A guy who puts himself in a situation to be in trouble with the law isn't necessarily a model citizen. 

Everyone is quick to downgrade Mixon based off of 1 legal instance that if it weren't on camera we would just leave it as "one instance" just like we do with Zeke and his 2 alleged assaults on a woman. 

Where I'm from, 5 > 1 instances.
 

He's had plenty of charges. No convictions. The guy who goes 85 on the freeway every day also has no convictions, but I know one day he's bound to speed through the wrong stretch of freeway... 

We've seen the NFL suspend players for charges being filed, even when they are found not guilty or before a decision is made. I don't really understand how anyone can think Cook is at zero to low risk for any kind of suspension based on his patterned history and the NFL's recent history of suspensions, and how that risk wouldn't drop his value to some degree
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Everyone huh? When I specifically just said not anymore than Mixon and that I really dont hold it against them because its fantasy football...still, you say everyone is quick, eh? i

Well, it appears as if u are a woman beater apologist. If it wasnt on camera? Sheesh.

One punched a woman camera (I learned at 8 not to hit girls), another was accused/charged with a bunch of childish nonsense. 

Based off how you were incorrect about the OLine, I'm gonna just chalk tis up to you are clearly tryingt o uplift Mixon over Cook.

Thats fine, adjust your ratings accordingly no one cares if you clearly like Mixon over Cook, but dont try so hard to do spin in the Cook thread.

 
Ilov80s said:
He was in college in 2015 when he was charged with battery. He was found not guilty but we know Goodell judges things himself and doesn't care what courts say.
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LOL, so now stuff that happens in college matters in the NFL rules violations? OK then.

 
Mavis said:
LOL, so now stuff that happens in college matters in the NFL rules violations? OK then.
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A) I was just correcting the statement that all the issues were in his midteens in innercity Miami. 

B) I do believe Goodell would consider the college incident if Cooks has an issue in the future.

C) I don't really factor it into my ranking of Cooks

 
Man, that is long list of bad behavior. I think it somewhat reasonable to dismiss his behavior as immaturity, or that maybe he was running with a bad crowd. In either case, I have to wonder why he didn't clean up his act after the first incident? Really shows a lack discretion, which is the most concerning thing from my POV.

It doesn't mean that I will drop him in my rankings, only that if I draft him I know he comes with some added risk.

 
Vikings do due draft diligence to grab Dalvin Cook

“We spent an extensive amount of time researching that. We felt very comfortable after going through everything. In fact, I called him this morning and spoke with him for another 45 minutes, just rehashing everything again,” said Spielman, who felt Cook was “sincere and honest” when talking about those incidents.

Said Cook of their talks: “I was more eager for him to get to know the person — and that’s Dalvin Cook — and for him to know that if you draft me for the Minnesota Vikings, he was getting a guy that was going to represent the organization the right way and go to war for his teammates every game and help them win football games.”
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Ilov80s said:
A) I was just correcting the statement that all the issues were in his midteens in innercity Miami. 
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You misread what you responded to then, because I said they were *mostly* in his midteens, and the quoted text from the article said the same thing. And the quote I posted clearly stated 2015 was the last incident, which makes it obvious that incident occurred when he was in college. There really wasn't anything in the post that warranted correcting.

 
Just Win Baby said:
You misread what you responded to then, because I said they were *mostly* in his midteens, and the quoted text from the article said the same thing. And the quote I posted clearly stated 2015 was the last incident, which makes it obvious that incident occurred when he was in college. There really wasn't anything in the post that warranted correcting.
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I did misread it.

 
Dr. Dan said:
Not sure if I missed this in the discussion or not, but is anyone downgrading him or concerned about his off the field history? That, to me, seems like a risk that Fournette and CMC don't really offer. 
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to be honest, his off field baggage concerns me more than mixon's.

 
I don't know mixon or cooks personally, but I'm considering their "risk of f'n things up early in their careers" as pretty equal at the moment. Can we really talk ourselves into the truth or reality of who they are, as people, in this thread? The crime risk is indistinguishable between the two of them. We can't know. 

 
Vensel of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune wouldn't rule out the possibility of second-round RB Dalvin Cook seeing 300 touches as a rookie.

After viewing Cook at OTAs and minicamp, Vensel praised the 21-year-old's speed and versatility, particularly in the passing game. In Vensel's eyes, Cook has a chance to become an every-down back if he can earn the Vikings' trust in pass protection. Latavius Murray and Jerick McKinnon will be in the mix, but Cook is clearly the lead dog in Minnesota's three-man backfield.

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Fever in the Funkhouse said:
I don't know mixon or cooks personally, but I'm considering their "risk of f'n things up early in their careers" as pretty equal at the moment. Can we really talk ourselves into the truth or reality of who they are, as people, in this thread? The crime risk is indistinguishable between the two of them. We can't know. 
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This is what I'm getting at. I think both come with significant risk, but because Mixon has a video he's considered the black sheep of the draft. When, in fact, Cook's history is just as (if not more) concerning but gets overlooked. 

 
Mavis said:
Everyone huh? When I specifically just said not anymore than Mixon and that I really dont hold it against them because its fantasy football...still, you say everyone is quick, eh? i

Well, it appears as if u are a woman beater apologist. If it wasnt on camera? Sheesh.

One punched a woman camera (I learned at 8 not to hit girls), another was accused/charged with a bunch of childish nonsense. 

Based off how you were incorrect about the OLine, I'm gonna just chalk tis up to you are clearly tryingt o uplift Mixon over Cook.

Thats fine, adjust your ratings accordingly no one cares if you clearly like Mixon over Cook, but dont try so hard to do spin in the Cook thread.
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Geez, it's like talking to my wife and being given a hard time for saying "every time" when it's actually "most times"

Cook does not have a separate thread discussing his legal issues. Whenever they are brought up, it's usually brushed to the side (much as you did). Whenever someone brings up the Mixon situation it usually sparks about 7 pages of debate. If I'm missing the discussion about Cook's legal concerns I'd gladly appreciate a link. Legal concerns are legitimate for fantasy football because a guy scores you zero points if he's suspended, and Goodell doesn't have a great reputation for letting the legal system play itself out before handing out suspensions. 

I'm not trying to spin the Cook thread at all. In fact, I don't like Mixon more than Cook. Since the draft I have done more reading on him and I have really tempered my expectations. Thus why I am in the Cook thread; doing my due diligence on him. Why are so many people  :tinfoilhat:  whenever someone brings up a negative on a particular player. I really couldn't care less about "winning" a discussion. Don't be so sensitive.

How am I a woman beater apologist? Because I'm wrong once I must be wrong all the time? Jump to conclusions much? Do accusations such as that encourage a constructive conversation? I never once condoned anyone's actions against any woman. In the Mixon video thread I held the position that he was acting in self defense, and apparently the court system agreed and found him not guilty. Both of them have been found not guilty or had charges dropped. And regarding being incorrect, I gladly admit when I'm wrong here, which is more than most people can say. Why so unhinged over an online fantasy football discussion? lol Do fantasy football players have actual stock that I'm unaware of? Because it seems that way the way some people behave when "their guy" is being discussed. You win. 

I'm not expecting you to see the rationality of any point I'd make other than "Cook is amazing, end of discussion." I'm not trying to win an argument or whatever. I am just posing a legitimate concern that is often over looked. To prove this, Cook will win ROY and stack pro bowls on top of pro bowls. We will be looking back at this draft and wondering what the other 40 teams ahead of the Vikings were thinking and how they could pass on such an amazing talent. Vikings fans will build monuments and #33 will be retired across the league. Happy? God forbid anyone ever suggests anything possibly negative about any player. Every player will hit, every player will succeed, and no one will flush their talent down the toilet with poor personal decisions. You win. Now that we have that taken care of, if anyone cares to discuss the make believe never going to happen scenario of Cook getting in legal trouble and how that very unlikely hypothetical situation would affect his draft stock, I'd be happy to discuss.

 
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Dr. Dan said:
Geez, it's like talking to my wife and being given a hard time for saying "every time" when it's actually "most times"

Cook does not have a separate thread discussing his legal issues. Whenever they are brought up, it's usually brushed to the side (much as you did). Whenever someone brings up the Mixon situation it usually sparks about 7 pages of debate. If I'm missing the discussion about Cook's legal concerns I'd gladly appreciate a link. Legal concerns are legitimate for fantasy football because a guy scores you zero points if he's suspended, and Goodell doesn't have a great reputation for letting the legal system play itself out before handing out suspensions. 

I'm not trying to spin the Cook thread at all. In fact, I don't like Mixon more than Cook. Since the draft I have done more reading on him and I have really tempered my expectations. Thus why I am in the Cook thread; doing my due diligence on him. Why are so many people  :tinfoilhat:  whenever someone brings up a negative on a particular player. I really couldn't care less about "winning" a discussion. Don't be so sensitive.

How am I a woman beater apologist? Because I'm wrong once I must be wrong all the time? Jump to conclusions much? Do accusations such as that encourage a constructive conversation? I never once condoned anyone's actions against any woman. In the Mixon video thread I held the position that he was acting in self defense, and apparently the court system agreed and found him not guilty. Both of them have been found not guilty or had charges dropped. And regarding being incorrect, I gladly admit when I'm wrong here, which is more than most people can say. Why so unhinged over an online fantasy football discussion? lol Do fantasy football players have actual stock that I'm unaware of? Because it seems that way the way some people behave when "their guy" is being discussed. You win. 

I'm not expecting you to see the rationality of any point I'd make other than "Cook is amazing, end of discussion." I'm not trying to win an argument or whatever. I am just posing a legitimate concern that is often over looked. To prove this, Cook will win ROY and stack pro bowls on top of pro bowls. We will be looking back at this draft and wondering what the other 40 teams ahead of the Vikings were thinking and how they could pass on such an amazing talent. Vikings fans will build monuments and #33 will be retired across the league. Happy? God forbid anyone ever suggests anything possibly negative about any player. Every player will hit, every player will succeed, and no one will flush their talent down the toilet with poor personal decisions. You win. Now that we have that taken care of, if anyone cares to discuss the make believe never going to happen scenario of Cook getting in legal trouble and how that very unlikely hypothetical situation would affect his draft stock, I'd be happy to discuss.
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Can you show me your research on the OLine? 

 
Fever in the Funkhouse said:
I don't know mixon or cooks personally, but I'm considering their "risk of f'n things up early in their careers" as pretty equal at the moment. Can we really talk ourselves into the truth or reality of who they are, as people, in this thread? The crime risk is indistinguishable between the two of them. We can't know. 
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We cant know, that why some will take the risk and others wont. Debating their risk is such a useless discussion as it doesnt matter. It never does, you can draft McCaffery and he can get caught with weed, so??? Unless they do acts in the NFL, I dont care, not at all. My fantasy points do not care if players smoke, hit people or do bad things...thats why Mixon and Cook are not getting moved in my rankings at all. I dont get in trouble because one of my players does something dumb. This is fantasy football, not church. If they get suspended, cool, they will be back at some point. Does their talent get worse because of it? When Bell got suspended, did he stop being LeVeon Bell, or? 

People knowing what they know of L. Bell, and that he would get suspended early in his career, would it change his draft stock then? No, it wouldnt, because it really doesnt matter. 

FWIW, Alcohol because of the disease it can cause is what will worry me the most with someone who is susp because of alcohol issues. Gordon had alcohol pinch him a few times and Blackmon couldnt get straight because of alcohol, not the weed. 

Feel free to lower them both on your ranking sheets.
The problem is, those who see an issue with Cook want us to see the same issues with Mixon, because thats how they want it. It just isnt how its gonna be.

When my league docks me points for players who commit crimes, I'll worry. But if they get in trouble, the cool thing is you can start a different layer on your team for a few weeks. Not anything new that fantasy owners dont do on a weekly basis anyways.

 
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Mavis said:
Can you show me your research on the OLine? 
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My mistake in my research regarding MIN's OL involved googling 2016 Vikings Depth Chart. I went to a site, I think OurLads, thinking it was the 2016 depth chart (since that is what I googled) when in fact it was the 2017. I was incorrect in not verifying it was the 2017 depth chart (which an official one been released yet). That was my mistake. I don't know why we are bringing up a mistake that I made a long time ago and admitted to when that has nothing to do with my point of the overall discussion regarding previous behavior making an athlete at risk for future behavior.

Other players have come into the NFL with similar conduct histories as Cook. Some of those players have repeated their offenses resulting in suspensions. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. 

If you'd care to discuss the actual topic and not get caught up on who has the most right/wrong statements in this thread I'd be happy to talk about how Cook had a domestic charge (that was dropped) prior to entering the NFL... Zeke also had a domestic charge pending against him prior to entering the NFL (was also dropped). Zeke has reoffended several times since being in the NFL and is now looking at a suspension. Cook may or may not follow the same path as Zeke, but I believe it's worth discussing as increased risk given how many other athletes enter the NFL with jaded pasts and don't change their behavior once they get into the league. 

Do you fantasy teams care if a player is banned for smoking weed? Or by hitting people? In my league that means zero points. And if my stud is getting me zero points that hurts more than if my kicker gets me zero points. That is why behavior matters. You're making the mistake of lumping in criminal activity with behavior such as partying (drinking, smoking cigarettes, etc). One is legal, one is not. Criminal activity gets one suspended in the NFL. A suspended player gets you zero points. A player who gets into a lot of trouble and in turn is suspended (for let's say 4 games, misses 1/4 of the season) is vastly downgraded just the same as a player who is always hurt. 

If you'd prefer to only discuss who is right or how many times I've been wrong, well then this is the last correspondence we will have going forward 

 
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Dr. Dan said:
My mistake in my research regarding MIN's OL involved googling 2016 Vikings Depth Chart. I went to a site, I think OurLads, thinking it was the 2016 depth chart (since that is what I googled) when in fact it was the 2017. I was incorrect in not verifying it was the 2017 depth chart (which an official one been released yet). That was my mistake. I don't know why we are bringing up a mistake that I made a long time ago and admitted to when that has nothing to do with my point of the overall discussion regarding previous behavior making an athlete at risk for future behavior.

Other players have come into the NFL with similar conduct histories as Cook. Some of those players have repeated their offenses resulting in suspensions. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. 

If you'd care to discuss the actual topic and not get caught up on who has the most right/wrong statements in this thread I'd be happy to talk about how Cook had a domestic charge (that was dropped) prior to entering the NFL... Zeke also had a domestic charge pending against him prior to entering the NFL (was also dropped). Zeke has reoffended several times since being in the NFL and is now looking at a suspension. Cook may or may not follow the same path as Zeke, but I believe it's worth discussing as increased risk given how many other athletes enter the NFL with jaded pasts and don't change their behavior once they get into the league. 

Do you fantasy teams care if a player is banned for smoking weed? Or by hitting people? In my league that means zero points. And if my stud is getting me zero points that hurts more than if my kicker gets me zero points. That is why behavior matters. You're making the mistake of lumping in criminal activity with behavior such as partying (drinking, smoking cigarettes, etc). One is legal, one is not. Criminal activity gets one suspended in the NFL. A suspended player gets you zero points. A player who gets into a lot of trouble and in turn is suspended (for let's say 4 games, misses 1/4 of the season) is vastly downgraded just the same as a player who is always hurt. 

If you'd prefer to only discuss who is right or how many times I've been wrong, well then this is the last correspondence we will have going forward 
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I just asked about the OLine research. I'm just wondering what you discovered as you said you were going to research it some more. I'm trying to update my rankings and I want to consider everything. I love all research so I can decide which works best. Why the harsh tone? According to this you want a better forum, this isnt very "excellent" response to my simple comment about the OLine research.

 
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Mavis said:
I just asked about the OLine research. I'm just wondering what you discovered as you said you were going to research it some more. I'm trying to update my rankings and I want to consider everything. I love all research so I can decide which works best. Why the harsh tone? According to this you want a better forum, this isnt very "excellent" response to my simple comment about the OLine research.
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I don't recall stating I was going to do OL research. I don't put much into preseason OL rankings. According to this GB was supposed to have the third best OL going into last season. They weren't third best... maybe pretty darn good for pass protection but the third best OL should be able to produce a reasonable RB when the star goes down. This didn't happen until much later in the season 

If you care to read up on OLs the same website has their 2017 rankings. MIN is ranked 14th, one higher than 2016. This is the epitome of why I don't care for preseason OL rankings... this site had MIN ranked 15th to start 2016, and MIN finished 29th... I understand rankings are just that, rankings, and everyone is wrong, but when you rank someone as the middle 50% and they turn out to be in the bottom 10%, that tells me I'm better off picking names out of a hat. 

However, to say that MIN has upgraded from 29 to 14 based on their offseason "remake" of their OL is a pretty big vote of confidence for that team. If they are right then most of the fantasy relevant MIN players could be in for a nice fantasy season and MIN should be in the playoff hunt. Personally, I think MIN is going to be a nice surprise team this year. Nothing but great news coming from their offseason so far. 

 
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Dr. Dan said:
I don't recall stating I was going to do OL research. I don't put much into preseason OL rankings. According to this GB was supposed to have the third best OL going into last season. They weren't third best... maybe pretty darn good for pass protection but the third best OL should be able to produce a reasonable RB when the star goes down. This didn't happen until much later in the season 

If you care to read up on OLs the same website has their 2017 rankings. MIN is ranked 14th, one higher than 2016. This is the epitome of why I don't care for preseason OL rankings... this site had MIN ranked 15th to start 2016, and MIN finished 29th... I understand rankings are just that, rankings, and everyone is wrong, but when you rank someone as the middle 50% and they turn out to be in the bottom 10%, that tells me I'm better off picking names out of a hat. 

However, to say that MIN has upgraded from 29 to 14 based on their offseason "remake" of their OL is a pretty big vote of confidence for that team. If they are right then most of the fantasy relevant MIN players could be in for a nice fantasy season and MIN should be in the playoff hunt. Personally, I think MIN is going to be a nice surprise team this year. Nothing but great news coming from their offseason so far. 
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Thanks for the update on the OLine research. I have to say, for a guy who doesnt like Dalvin, you sure spend a lot of time in this thread.

 
Mavis said:
Thanks for the update on the OLine research. I have to say, for a guy who doesnt like Dalvin, you sure spend a lot of time in this thread.
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I thought I had explained this earlier, but I have been doing due diligence and trying to get a pulse on the rookie RBs as the preseason gets nearer to make a conclusion on who I may target in the draft, as one of these rookies may make my RB2/3 list. 

I don't dislike Cook. I was partly hoping he'd fall to GB in the 2nd round but that was very unlikely. I do not like his history of personal conduct. I think this is his Achilles heel. If he can behave himself I think he has a very high ceiling. I don't think I ever said I disliked him. Of the top 4 rookie RBs it's my opinion that he has the best situation, but also the most risk. Someone like that is a thread I want to spend a lot of time in. 

I spend a lot of time in a lot of threads that are on page 1. I figure if people are talking about a guy frequently, then maybe it's something I should pay attention to. 

 
Vikings special teams coordinator Mike Priefer is campaigning coach Mike Zimmer to allow him to use rookie Dalvin Cook on kick returns.

One of the best STs coaches in the league, Priefer admitted he's not holding his breath that Zimmer will allow it. Cook is in the mix, if not the favorite, to be the Vikings' No. 1 running back, which would surely mean he won't be on returns. Minnesota is looking for a replacement for Pro Bowl returner Cordarrelle Patterson. Rookie WR Rodney Adams is considered the lead man for the job.

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Captain Obvious statement, but if he returns kicks that is a tremendous boost to his value... even if it's just punts. We're talking RB1 type numbers potentially in my league (20 yards = 1 point)... those points add up! 3-4 kick returns can be 3-4 points! I think punts is more realistic but I can't recall many RB1s being in on kick returns... probably a pipe dream. 

 
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Captain Obvious statement, but if he returns kicks that is a tremendous boost to his value... even if it's just punts. We're talking RB1 type numbers potentially in my league (20 yards = 1 point)... those points add up! 3-4 kick returns can be 3-4 points! I think punts is more realistic but I can't recall many RB1s being in on kick returns... probably a pipe dream. 
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It's also a bit worrisome for his usage as a RB, right? How many examples do we have a high quality RB1/2 that also returned kicks?

 
Ilov80s said:
It's also a bit worrisome for his usage as a RB, right? How many examples do we have a high quality RB1/2 that also returned kicks?
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Not many. We see more high quality WR1/2s returning kicks. I can look at this several ways:
 

1. A team is trying to get their best play maker the ball as often as they can, and Cook's fantasy value is going to be unique. 
2. Cook isn't going to be a "true RB1" in that offense... which is most concerning because all reports have been positive and if he is going to lose carries to McKinnon, that's not a ringing endorsement. I think this is the least likely scenario
3. It's not going to happen and this is just lip service just like when we hear a RB is going to be used at WR, or a CB was playing some WR in minicamps. 

I'll lean toward 3

 
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It's also a bit worrisome for his usage as a RB, right? How many examples do we have a high quality RB1/2 that also returned kicks?
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People do a lot of worrying about fantasy football. 

Worrying about suspension, worrying about injuries? You cant control those things, and you can be wrong just as much as you are right if you over analyze, you never win trying to predict it that. I understand minimizing risk, but really, worrying about usage of a rookie RB is the last of my worries, in fact its gets me more excited for the player then it causes me to worry. 

A player can get hurt on one play while a guy who touched it 350 times doesnt. 

Two ends of the spectrum, I guess. 

 
Mavis said:
People do a lot of worrying about fantasy football. 

Worrying about suspension, worrying about injuries? You cant control those things, and you can be wrong just as much as you are right if you over analyze, you never win trying to predict it that. I understand minimizing risk, but really, worrying about usage of a rookie RB is the last of my worries, in fact its gets me more excited for the player then it causes me to worry. 

A player can get hurt on one play while a guy who touched it 350 times doesnt. 

Two ends of the spectrum, I guess. 
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I am just asking for a modern historical example of a RB1 or RB2 that was also the primary special teams return man. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Not many. We see more high quality WR1/2s returning kicks. I can look at this several ways:
 

1. A team is trying to get their best play maker the ball as often as they can, and Cook's fantasy value is going to be unique. 
2. Cook isn't going to be a "true RB1" in that offense... which is most concerning because all reports have been positive and if he is going to lose carries to McKinnon, that's not a ringing endorsement. I think this is the least likely scenario
3. It's not going to happen and this is just lip service just like when we hear a RB is going to be used at WR, or a CB was playing some WR in minicamps. 

I'll lean toward 3
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While it appears that way right now, I wouldnt think of it with such certainty going forward. With McKinnon not being effective, or talented, and Murray being an injured mess most times it is possible he will get 300+ as the beat writer said is possible. Take that for what its worth, which is not much. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Not many. We see more high quality WR1/2s returning kicks. I can look at this several ways:
 

1. A team is trying to get their best play maker the ball as often as they can, and Cook's fantasy value is going to be unique. 
2. Cook isn't going to be a "true RB1" in that offense... which is most concerning because all reports have been positive and if he is going to lose carries to McKinnon, that's not a ringing endorsement. I think this is the least likely scenario
3. It's not going to happen and this is just lip service just like when we hear a RB is going to be used at WR, or a CB was playing some WR in minicamps. 

I'll lean toward 3
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I agree and lean 3. Sounds like wishful thinking by the ST coach. I am sure the Cardials ST coach wishes David Johnson was still returning kicks.

 
Ilov80s said:
I am just asking for a modern historical example of a RB1 or RB2 that was also the primary special teams return man. 
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I saw worrisome of usage in your statement, but as far as a RB of this caliber getting KR or PR, Reggie in his first yeaR? He was a RB 2 at that time. Sproles? He was a PPR RB 2.

 
Dr. Dan said:
Ty Montgomery I think? Reggie Bush? 
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Ok, I didn't realize Ty returned kicks last year. He only had 77 carries so that isn't exactly a promising example. 

Mavis said:
I saw worrisome of usage in your statement, but as far as a RB of this caliber getting KR or PR, Reggie in his first yeaR? He was a RB 2 at that time. Sproles? He was a PPR RB 2.
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I wonder if Alvin Kamara will return kicks for the Saints since that seems to be the one example of a really good fantast RB also returning kicks. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Ok, I didn't realize Ty returned kicks last year. He only had 77 carries so that isn't exactly a promising example. 

I wonder if Alvin Kamara will return kicks for the Saints since that seems to be the one example of a really good fantast RB also returning kicks. 
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I think Ty returning them was for lack of options, interesting to see if they do it again this year.

 
Mavis said:
Can you link me to those rap sheets, not articles or rumors or reports but the rap sheets that you mentioned....since you have seen them. 
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Year, I'll pass on going down this dead end path with you. I have better things to do with my time. 

 
you know how to use google.  look up cook's history.  

or, here:  exchange the phrase "rap sheet" with the word "history".  maybe that will work better for you.

 
I think McCoy returned just punts once he became a starter but he also did KR too prior to starting at RB if I recall.

 
WagesOfZin said:
you know how to use google.  look up cook's history.  

or, here:  exchange the phrase "rap sheet" with the word "history".  maybe that will work better for you.
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I just asked for you to share a link, seems odd that upsets you. I was hoping you had it fresh in your history and could share it. 

 
scott46984 said:
Just personal opinion, but I think he will be the back to own out of this draft class long term.
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Especially in PPR, seems to have nothing but rave reviews while we hear very little about Fournette. While that means little, it means something. 

 
Cook's legal issues date back to his time at Miami Central High School: The Orlando Sentinel reported that Cook was arrested as a juvenile and charged with robbery in 2009, though prosecutors later dropped the case. He also was arrested a year later and charged with firing a weapon and possession of a weapon at an event on school property. Those chargers were either dropped or abandoned, the newspaper reported.

Cook was charged with criminal mischief in June 2014 after he was one of several players involved in an alleged shooting with a BB gun that caused property damage. Cook was given pretrial intervention. Sports Illustrated reported that Cook also was issued a citation in July 2014 for a violation of animal care after he allegedly left three pit bull puppies chained up by the neck outside.

In July 2015, a woman accused Cook of punching her while outside of a Tallahassee bar. He was charged with misdemeanor battery and suspended indefinitely from the football team. He was found not guilty -- the jury delivered the verdict in less than 25 minutes after a daylong trial -- and immediately reinstated to the team.

Though Cook has no convictions on his record, the multiple charges and brushes with the law will give NFL teams pause. 

 
Doubledown1313 said:
Cook's legal issues date back to his time at Miami Central High School: The Orlando Sentinel reported that Cook was arrested as a juvenile and charged with robbery in 2009, though prosecutors later dropped the case. He also was arrested a year later and charged with firing a weapon and possession of a weapon at an event on school property. Those chargers were either dropped or abandoned, the newspaper reported.

Cook was charged with criminal mischief in June 2014 after he was one of several players involved in an alleged shooting with a BB gun that caused property damage. Cook was given pretrial intervention. Sports Illustrated reported that Cook also was issued a citation in July 2014 for a violation of animal care after he allegedly left three pit bull puppies chained up by the neck outside.

In July 2015, a woman accused Cook of punching her while outside of a Tallahassee bar. He was charged with misdemeanor battery and suspended indefinitely from the football team. He was found not guilty -- the jury delivered the verdict in less than 25 minutes after a daylong trial -- and immediately reinstated to the team.

Though Cook has no convictions on his record, the multiple charges and brushes with the law will give NFL teams pause. 
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Thanks for this post, good cliffsnotes of his rap sheet. 

 
Doubledown1313 said:
Once a player is in the NFL you can find their records at this link:  http://nflarrest.com/
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WagesOfZin said:
Dead. End. Path.
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Please stop this, you are the one making it that way. No worries, someone else shared that you refused to for some reason and that link is quoted above^^^, as you see. If people really cared about this board and whats just/fair/right, they would tell you to tone it down. Time to let it go I think, you were not wanting to share the link someone else did. I recommend you read this thread.

Biabreakable said:
:yawn:        Its almost like all of this stuff wasn't discussed extensively a couple of months ago. Piling on...

Dalvin Cook: When character concerns aren’t concerning
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Yeah, really not concerning at all. I have no concern, put no weight, have no worries, do not care one iota and will not waste any time using the evaluation of these "legal" issues for my rankings.. 

 
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