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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (1 Viewer)

While I agree that some single numerical value does not carry all of the information about a player -- two players could have an equal "fantasy value" and yet have vastly different profiles --, I maintain that there isn't anything that should make an owner more inclined to keep a guy that he does own, than he would be inclined to acquire the same guy if he didn't own him. It just doesn't make sense to me. But that is okay. "Agree to disagree", even though I hate that saying 😄.
I never said it made sense. I just tried to explain the rationale behind the difference in willing selling price and willing acquiring price.
 
Agree. Crazy to see people giving up a 1st for him. In my league no way anyone would pay near that. Mid 2nd at most
Cook is in the trade purgatory right now for FF. If you own him you aren't taking less than a 1st rounder and if you don't own him you aren't giving more than a 2nd rounder. That isn't going to change until something moves on is status (trade, cut, sign somewhere) to get clarity. No reason to be in a hurry if you own him. His perceived value is likely at its low point.
I traded him for a 1st in a 16 team league so if that ends up a playoff team that be a pick in the 11-16 range. That wouldn't be great but I did a lot of trading so end result might still be ok.
I traded Miles Sanders, my 2024 1st and 2nd for Barkely
Then I traded Van Jefferson and my 2024 3rd for a 2024 2nd
Then I traded Cook for a 2024 1st
End result
Gave up Cook, Miles Sanders, my own 1st, 2nd 3rd in 2024
Got back Barkley and someone else 2024 1st and a different someone else 2024 2nd.
I should have upgraded the picks in theory but we all know how that works out sometimes.
If they wash it be Cook + Sanders for Barkley we will see if that works out. Barkley is older too so not a great trade off unless that guy wins me a high 1st.
 
In a 14-team non-PPR dynasty that is very RB friendly - start 1 RB, 1 WR, 3 flex (TE not required),
Team A: Sent Dalvin Cook (limped into playoffs last year, ok RBs, stronger WRs)
Team B sent: Samaje Perine, 2024 1st, 2024 2nd (this is defending champ, deep but aging at RB with Barkley, Mixon, Jones and now Cook)

Team B will be a shoe in for the playoffs and one of the favorites to win it all, so the picks will most likely fall in the 10-14 range each round.
Not directed at the poster... just filler info about the league and the sucker that traded for Cook.

My squad is Team B. Cool conversation that I overpaid and lost the trade big time. FF is fun.
1. I like to win titles or compete for them. "You play to win the game!"
2. I like earning and spending $$$; dislike being easy money for others
3. Know the league managers, trade market, scoring, and rules (year 25 of league - woot)
4. RBs are gold - particularly those that don't share the rock much; overpriced and hard to trade for
5. Can't be scared to 'lose' a trade
6. Just like every league - we get a new batch of rookie picks each year
7. Eff 'dem picks :wink:

Non-PPR, TDs and Performance heavy. 14 teams where we can start up to 4 RBs - which outscore WRs/TEs.
Late seconds are UDFAs or NFL 5th/6th round RBs in this league. Maybe some 4th/5th string WRs.
Late firsts are 3rd string hopeful RBs heavily influenced by rookie fever. WRs are a dime-a-dozen.
Cook's 2023 destination is the big question mark right now; but ability to be a line-up difference maker as a flex is not.

QB Hurts, RB Barkley, RB Cook, RB Mixon, RB A Jones, WR Adams. Deeper bench of startable assets than most squads for injuries and bye weeks. Set to compete yet again (actually went undefeated last year out of pure luck 16-0, but not the best team in the league via points). May be old, un-shiny, and un-sexy - but it's just the way I like it!
 
If you haven't traded him in Dynasty then you're stuck. He's not getting younger or faster
I'm a year ahead of you.
Nice. I moved him straight up for D Pierce week 12 last season.
Nicely done. Same goes for Mixon & Kamara. Get out while there's still some meat on the bone.
Meat, or gristle?
Ponderosa Steakhouse bad.
 
If you haven't traded him in Dynasty then you're stuck. He's not getting younger or faster
I'm a year ahead of you.
Nice. I moved him straight up for D Pierce week 12 last season.
Nicely done. Same goes for Mixon & Kamara. Get out while there's still some meat on the bone.
Meat, or gristle?
Ponderosa Steakhouse bad.
I've definitely been down this road with a few dynasty players. My link
 
Cook staying in Minnesota always made the most sense. He's not getting bigger role anywhere else, and he's not getting more money anywhere else.
 
Of course this news comes out after I have pounded underdog over the past 2 weeks with 7th round Mattison..........
 
Read this report and it might make sense for Dalvin, depends how much of a pay cut, but key to note is that the reports states it is something he is considering, not agreed to do.

I remain a little dubious it goes down and find myself thinking this is one last effort to drum up trade interest in him.
 
I tend to ride my stud veterans into the ground. At some point the value is to keep him. I already got back more than I paid 5 years ago.
 
Read this report and it might make sense for Dalvin, depends how much of a pay cut, but key to note is that the reports states it is something he is considering, not agreed to do.

I remain a little dubious it goes down and find myself thinking this is one last effort to drum up trade interest in him.

I agree. It seems like every time we hear that there is no interest for these vets that still have gas in the tank (IE not washed up guys like Zeke/Gurley) they still end up getting big contracts that exceed what they would be settling for with a paycut.
 
I tend to ride my stud veterans into the ground. At some point the value is to keep him. I already got back more than I paid 5 years ago.

If Dalvin's market value is a 2nd then I agree, he is already at that point. For a 2nd I'll take the risk that he falls off the cliff and sucks this year, with the knowledge that it's more likely he has at least one good season left.
 
Read this report and it might make sense for Dalvin, depends how much of a pay cut, but key to note is that the reports states it is something he is considering, not agreed to do.

I remain a little dubious it goes down and find myself thinking this is one last effort to drum up trade interest in him.

I agree. It seems like every time we hear that there is no interest for these vets that still have gas in the tank (IE not washed up guys like Zeke/Gurley) they still end up getting big contracts that exceed what they would be settling for with a paycut.

Really don’t like being on the other side of the fence than you and Meno, but in this case I disagree. I tend to think Cook doesn’t have much of a market and the most money he can make this year is in Minnesota.
 
Read this report and it might make sense for Dalvin, depends how much of a pay cut, but key to note is that the reports states it is something he is considering, not agreed to do.

I remain a little dubious it goes down and find myself thinking this is one last effort to drum up trade interest in him.

I agree. It seems like every time we hear that there is no interest for these vets that still have gas in the tank (IE not washed up guys like Zeke/Gurley) they still end up getting big contracts that exceed what they would be settling for with a paycut.

Really don’t like being on the other side of the fence than you and Meno, but in this case I disagree. I tend to think Cook doesn’t have much of a market and the most money he can make this year is in Minnesota.
You might be right, I'm not super solid either way just not so sure they'll agree to the paycut for a few reasons.

First one is I agree he does not have much of a market, maybe would have done relatively ok in March but not now, but it's hard to say he should just take whatever the Vikings are offering because I don't know what they are offering. Maybe it's super low because I'm not so sure they just don't want to move on and was never so much about the money. The Vikings GM is a highly analytical guy and most of the analytics for Dalvin were among the worst in the league last year. At least the analytics we have access to, perhaps they rely on other information. Dalvin did not look noticeably slower to me last year so maybe changes KOC made to the offense impacted his play.

I recall KOC talking after the season, subject was kind of how Jefferson ended the year with some low output, and one of the things he mentioned was that the way to free up Jefferson was to run the ball better because that' the looks the defenses were giving them and they needed to capitalize on that. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but you get the idea.

Word I keep hearing is that Dalvin still views himself as elite with a few years left. So pride's going to be a factor.

So add all this up, fact we only have one reporter putting this info out, the timing of when the report came out within a week of June 1 and I still lean on the side that they will struggle to reach a number that will leave both parties happy and this was a last ditch effort to try to get teams thinking they can just lay back and get him after he's cut to make a more aggressive move. Not a strong lean though, not strong enough for me to not bump Mattison down a little until this clears up.
 
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While Miami seems so attractive for his owners, I'm not so sure that system which has caused numerous RB injuries over the years is the best thing for a guy that has had his injury history.
 

ESPN's Kevin Seifert reports there has been speculation the Dolphins are the "leading suitor" to trade for Vikings RB Dalvin Cook.

Miami has been linked to Cook since the start of the NFL offseason in March. The Dolphins have since re-signed RBs Raheem Mostert and Jeff Wilson, and drafted RB Devon Achane in the third round. Trading for Cook would create a crowded depth chart in Miami but would give the Dolphins a true three-down starter they've lacked the last few seasons. The Vikings trading Cook seems likely if not completely certain in the coming weeks.
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SOURCE: ESPN
Jun 2, 2023, 6:29 PM ET
 

ESPN's Kevin Seifert reports there has been speculation the Dolphins are the "leading suitor" to trade for Vikings RB Dalvin Cook.

Miami has been linked to Cook since the start of the NFL offseason in March. The Dolphins have since re-signed RBs Raheem Mostert and Jeff Wilson, and drafted RB Devon Achane in the third round. Trading for Cook would create a crowded depth chart in Miami but would give the Dolphins a true three-down starter they've lacked the last few seasons. The Vikings trading Cook seems likely if not completely certain in the coming weeks.
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SOURCE: ESPN
Jun 2, 2023, 6:29 PM ET
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
Do any play special teams because it’s hard to activate 4 RBs if none are also playing special teams?
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
Do any play special teams because it’s hard to activate 4 RBs if none are also playing special teams?
I assume Achane does. :shrug:

I doubt they’d run out 31 yr old Mostert on ST.
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
If he liked them that much, they wouldn't be adding Cook or maybe even Achane.

I'd guess, Cook and Achane get all the RB work. Wilson plays ST, and Mostert is inactive.
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
If he liked them that much, they wouldn't be adding Cook or maybe even Achane.

I'd guess, Cook and Achane get all the RB work. Wilson plays ST, and Mostert is inactive.
I’m not convinced they are adding Cook.
 
That would kill Achane's value. Not that it was that high to begin with IMO.
I was actually warming up to Achane having quite a bit of value in that situation.

Agree that a 4-headed monster would be far less than ideal.
If Cook ends up in Miami, I doubt it'd be a 4-headed monster. I think Mostert and Wilson would be fighting to even be active.
I wouldn’t underestimate McD’s love for his former 49ers alumni. IMO they’d all play.
If he liked them that much, they wouldn't be adding Cook or maybe even Achane.

I'd guess, Cook and Achane get all the RB work. Wilson plays ST, and Mostert is inactive.
I’m not convinced they are adding Cook.
Me either

ETA: I think for as much as they get talked about for Hopkins, Cook would be more likely for KC.
 

The Establish the Run guys shouldn't get credit for that. It was a woman a few years ago on NFL Network's fantasy show that started singing the "Hamilton" song to Mattison's name. I remember it well because I thought it was very creative. She should get credit for that.
Yeah, I think at every draft in the last few years someone in my league sings that when Mattison is drafted. The reference isn't new, but that clip production is great.
 

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
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SOURCE: 9News
Jun 6, 2023, 3:55 PM ET
 

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
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SOURCE: 9News
Jun 6, 2023, 3:55 PM ET
Well that was fast:

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.​

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
 

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
RELATED:
SOURCE: 9News
Jun 6, 2023, 3:55 PM ET
Well that was fast:

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.​

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
That reporter might not know what they are talking about.

He implies MINN is requiring a 2nd round pick. That’s not gonna happen and I highly doubt MINN is expecting that much.
 

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
RELATED:
SOURCE: 9News
Jun 6, 2023, 3:55 PM ET
Well that was fast:

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.​

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
That reporter might not know what they are talking about.

He implies MINN is requiring a 2nd round pick. That’s not gonna happen and I highly doubt MINN is expecting that much.
2d rd pick? They would be lucky to get a late rder at this point-
 

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
RELATED:
SOURCE: 9News
Jun 6, 2023, 3:55 PM ET
Well that was fast:

9News' Mike Klis writes that he's not 'hearing' the Broncos are interested in a Dalvin Cook trade.​

The Broncos have waived three running backs in the last six days, leaving them with only five backs on the roster. Broncos GM George Paton drafted Cook while in Minnesota. Klis writes that "The Broncos have also traded away too many draft picks over the past two years, and they don’t have a second-round pick next year ... so there doesn’t appear to be enough draft capital to satisfy the Vikings," but he admits that the Broncos could be a suitor if Cook is released. If they added Cook -- who has mostly been linked to Miami so far -- Denver's backfield would be a fantasy mess. It's a good bet the Broncos will add to the running back room before camp in some capacity.
That reporter might not know what they are talking about.

He implies MINN is requiring a 2nd round pick. That’s not gonna happen and I highly doubt MINN is expecting that much.
2d rd pick? They would be lucky to get a late rder at this point-
Yeah, I think his cap # is like $14M. Everyone knows he is gonna be off the team at some point. No one will pony up draft picks AND pay that salary at this point. They will just wait for him to be cut.
 
Truthfully, I don't think this is all about money and picks. Teams are noticing the same thing I have, that Cook has lost AT LEAST a step (probably 2) and doesn't contribute much in the passing game anymore. Those types of RBs aren't all that valuable. If Cook gets released, I think he's looking at about 4 milion, and likely a 1 year deal.
 

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