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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)
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Not surprised at this and along with MJD in the post above have seen a few people put their name to this same opinion but I don't agree. I like Gibbs as much as anyon but even I think NFL teams get a little to carried away with speed. I get it they want a player that defenses fear making a big play, who can flip the field with a big play or open things up for others but I think they to often prioritize that over the better down to down player.
I did think early in this process that Gibbs had a slim shot to get drafted in the NFL draft over ahead of Bijan. But I thought he'd need to be in the range of clocking 2 tenths of a second faster in the 40 then Bijan but he fell way short on that.
@mikerodak
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ESPN’s
@JFowlerESPN
says on ESPN Radio’s Dari and Mel that some NFL teams have former Alabama RB Jahmyr Gibbs as their top-rated RB, ahead of Bijan Robinson.
I did think early in this process that Gibbs had a slim shot to get drafted in the NFL draft over ahead of Bijan. But I thought he'd need to be in the range of clocking 2 tenths of a second faster in the 40 then Bijan but he fell way short on that.
@mikerodak
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ESPN’s
@JFowlerESPN
says on ESPN Radio’s Dari and Mel that some NFL teams have former Alabama RB Jahmyr Gibbs as their top-rated RB, ahead of Bijan Robinson.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I have many comments but I’ll politely keep them to myself.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That website is hilarious.
"I’ve attended the NFL Scouting Combine six times, spoken as a guest speaker for Sports Management Worldwide, attended the Senior Bowl twice, NFL Europe training camp in Orlando once, and I’ve received salary-cap training at the NFL League Office.
I’ve even stepped foot into Roger Goodell’s office!"
Hard to understand why he no longer works in the NFL.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Funny too because he shares the same name with a much more popular fantasy/draft analyst at The Ringer. They seem to have very very different personalities though.
McShay, NFL draft buzz
Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama
When I'm making calls and decision-makers start asking me what I've heard on certain players, that typically means there is growing interest around those guys. And look, I don't know where Gibbs ends up going, but I do know I've heard his name a lot this week. Some teams don't even have that big of a gap between Robinson and him, which is telling because Robinson is a star. The thinking is even if you get Gibbs for limited carries each Sunday -- he's only 5-foot-9 and 199 pounds, and isn't thought to be a volume-heavy back -- he can still make a very big impact. And with a down wide receiver class, teams might be thinking about drafting Gibbs and giving him snaps out of the slot. Bottom line, I'd be surprised at this point if he doesn't go in Round 1.I've been coming around to Gibbs in round 1 as well. Could be the finishing touch on offense for a lot teams in the late 1st.
massraider
Footballguy
You never hear this in February, ever notice that? This is chasing clicks. Suddenly week of the draft, someone is telling McShay that hey, you know, Bijan and Gibbs are close.
Weak sauce, McShay, you bloated frat boy.
I've been hearing that from a lot of people.
massraider
Footballguy
Bijan's peers are not Gibbs. They are Taylor, Chubb, Saquon.
Come on now
Come on now
Real football guys. They bring different skill sets and it depends what teams are seeking.
I’ve said this countless times this off season, it’s why a guy like a Ruggs goes over the WR’s he did.
And yes I can post sources/links but MJD, Bryan Broadbaus, Emory Hunt are a few. Forgetting some at the moment. You also got people like Fowler reporting some teams view them as close.
Emory Hunt @FBallGamePlan
Jahmyr Gibbs has elite-level explosiveness and is definitely the type of RB you’d take in RD1.
Jumped on @CBSSportsHQ to explain why
Some additional context:
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
As was told to me, this is a flavor thing -- if a team prefers an Alvin Kamara-style weapon for their offense, Gibbs gets priority with some teams. Robinson still considered the best back by most scouts I've spoken to. But Gibbs' stock is high.
Different strokes for different folks. Its the same reason why some teams seem to prefer Levis/Richardson to Stroud. Its all about the role to be filled.
Personally, I'm not sure Gibbs is even better than Robinson at that receiving role, but it doesn't matter what I think, as long as 1 GM believes.
Side note: For all the awful draft moves the Raiders have made in the 1st round, Ruggs was probably the most defensible (still bad) one at the time, because at least he offered something the others didn't. Lamb wasn't filling that role, even if he was a much better WR prospect. Its the same thing where I think Zach Charbonnet is probably a better runner than Gibbs or Achane, but he may go behind both (certainly Gibbs) because of what they do in the passing game.
Also, from the same article, Barry Jackson notes:
>> I found this interesting in comparing the two: Achane averaged more yards after contact, per carry, than Gibbs (3.6 to 3.3) last season and had more runs of 15 yards or more last season (36 to 23). Pro Football Focus also gave Achane a higher “elusive rate” than Gibbs. NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein said Achane “can be a complementary slasher with the ability to mismatch coverage out of the backfield or from the slot. However, he’s simply too talented and explosive as a runner to be confined to gadget duty.” In a mock draft in which they alternate making picks, ESPN’s Todd McShay drafted Gibbs 48th and Mel Kiper Jr. picked Achane 85th. The Dolphins have picks at 51 and 84. “My comp for Achane? Darren Sproles,” Kiper said of the former three-time Pro Bowler. “That’s because Achane has a ton of value as a returner and in the pass game. He needs to hit his ceiling to be as productive as Sproles, of course, but he is my third-ranked back in this class."
I could see Miami trying to get Archane in the 3rd, but I doubt they give up 2024 draft picks, to move up from the 2nd to the first round this year to get Gibbs.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ruggs was developing into a good WR his second year before the fatality. The only thing that looked bad about it is Jefferson makes everybody look terrible in comparison, and he went later in the first. But Ruggs over Jeudy? Any day and all day today if Ruggs isn't in prison.
I mean, he went ahead of Lamb and Higgins too. That's just me, I was that guy who in the league I had the 1.1 in 2020, I didn't take CEH, or Taylor, I took Lamb, so I'm probably a little biased there.
rockaction
Footballguy
Good point about Higgins. I didn't include Lamb because they do wildly different things on the football field, whereas Higgins is a more than apt comparison to Ruggs. Tee might not be nearly as fast as Ruggs, but he's more-than-effective professional deep threat. Better than Ruggs, production-wise. The argument for Ruggs over Lamb, Jeudy, and even Higgins is that Ruggs always drew the safety in deep coverage, whereas the other guys don't at this point in their careers.
rockaction
Footballguy
I did, too. I stupidly traded out and didn't pick Taylor or Lamb, both of whom would have been fine. I traded out and picked Ruggs, so I'm also a bit biased and maybe being that guy who can't get over his priors. (But Ruggs was turning a professional corner, it seemed, before the fatality.)
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Gibbs at 30 makes much more sense for the Eagles than Bijan at 10. Gibbs is a better fit for the Eagles' offense anyway.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not saying he's at the Gibbs talent level, but don't they already have someone like that on the roster with Gainwell?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe they want a much better version?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
It also wouldn't surprise me if the Eagles waited until round 3 or later to draft an RB. Or wait and see if a veteran shakes loose from another team.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe, but I would think a different direction isn't a bad ideal if Bijan isn't on the board.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Colts already have a QB - why would not go in a different direction?
If having Kenneth Gainwell on your roster has any bearing on your draft, you're not a very good GM.
Gibbs>>Bijan.
I want a speed back who can catch out of the backfield to pair up with a power back. The every down back is a relic.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One thing to worry about with Gibbs is how many touches he will see per game. Kamara is his ceiling, but he could be limited with the amount of carries he gets.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I can respect that.
massraider
Footballguy
Quoted for posterity.
Calling Bijan an every down back is like calling a Ferrari your daily driver.
Scandalous disrespect for Bijan over here at FBG Forums.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not from me
I think Gibbs pairs perfectly with Montgomery in Detroit. I want Kamara coming in and popping of some big gainers. Monty can grind it out and break a few runs of his own.
That is the concern and as someone who is quite high on Gibbs and have long considered him my most likely candidate for the 1.2 pick I find this talk of teams looking at him in round one followed by comments in some case like he's weapon as actually a little bitter sweet to be honest. What I'm trying to say is my concern with him is that some team would view him as weapon, a luxury item. That's not entirely what I want, I want a team to draft him that "needs" more out of their RB's. I do not and never have thought of him as a high volume runner but I still hope for a solid consistent role.
Agree that Kamara/Ekeler type's are the ceiling. These are top 5 RB's when they were just getting about 11-12 carries a game. Even everyone's favorite whipping boy, Swift, is almost like a safe floor type in that he's hovered in highest end RB2 type production on just about 9 carries a game. I think typically in fantasy PPR every reception is worth about 3 times as much as a carry. Personally I love RB's who project in that 10-12 carry/4-5 reception range,no guarantees he gets that type of workload but if he does he'll probably be a RB1 lock with top 5 potential.
I'd actually rather see him last till pick 51 and go to the Dolphins then have the Eagles spend pick 30 on him. Worry about the receptions in Philly, worry he'd be cast as more weapon then main RB. He'd be sick efficient, but I usually like a little more consistent volume over efficiency.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
All the Gibbs>>Bijan talk just sounds like something to drum up interest for draft ratings. Same with Houston not drafting a QB at 2, or Levis going 2.......
Not to me on either of those items.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I mean, it's a couple days before the draft all kinds of rumors fly. I'd wager than 99% were thought up or dreamt up
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Imma go ahead and completely disagree with this statement.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I know the NFL guys are saying Gibbs is gaining steam but the fantasy guys seem to be saying the opposite. For the purpose of dynasty, I am siding with the fantasy experts. Gibbs is electric but with his size and lack on interior rushing, he has a much greater downside for fantasy than I would like for a top 2 pick.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He would be an excellent pairing with Monty in a vacuum but what's the cost to move up and get him?
There is a whole thread on that subject. That's not an accurate way for how I see it and specifically I believe Stroud's not going two. We'll never get absolute confirmation a scant few teams truly prefer Gibbs, but I do think the hype of him going in round one has legs.
