RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (2 Viewers)

[jobarules]

My problem isn't Gibbs. Dude is electric. My problem is that guys had to draft him in the 3rd round to roster him.

I got him in the 5th behind Pollard and Walker3.

That must've been a very early draft because ADP was early 3rd round by late August

It wasn’t. It was the evening of Labor Day. Not everyone relies on the consensus rankings. I usually don’t trust rookie anything in my starting lineup. If you took him in the 3rd based on consensus rankings, that’s on you. If you reached in the 3rd, you should have had a backup plan due to being a rookie. I’ve been playing FF for 23 years. I’ve learned a lot over those years. The whining I’ve seen from wanting instant gratification in this thread is comical to me. If you took a rookie RB in the 3rd that you obviously knew was in a time share because of someone else’s rankings………that’s completely on you.

OK tough guy. Honestly I just the draft dominator app. Not everyone as smart as you I guess.

My backup plan was Cam Akers and Khalil Herbert

 

[eighsse2]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

 

[Biabreakable]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

That I dont know.

We are getting pretty granular here with this.

Could be he isnt as used to playing on turf as grass. Could be a lot of different things.

I know when I got bowling which isn't very often I fall down when I throw the ball about half the time. I am wearing bowling shoes when I do this. Just the way I throw it that causes me to slip and fall down. I never get hurt doing this and I actually enjoy the laughs I get from fellow bowlers when I do it that causes me to not change how I am throwing the ball.

 

[Down Under]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

That I dont know.

We are getting pretty granular here with this.

Could be he isnt as used to playing on turf as grass. Could be a lot of different things.

I know when I got bowling which isn't very often I fall down when I throw the ball about half the time. I am wearing bowling shoes when I do this. Just the way I throw it that causes me to slip and fall down. I never get hurt doing this and I actually enjoy the laughs I get from fellow bowlers when I do it that causes me to not change how I am throwing the ball.

You'd think this question would have been asked by the media. I haven't seen Campbell comment on it. It's the 1st round pick and he can't even stay up through a play!! I think it's a pretty important topic. What DO the media ask about??

 

[Biabreakable]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

That I dont know.

We are getting pretty granular here with this.

Could be he isnt as used to playing on turf as grass. Could be a lot of different things.

I know when I got bowling which isn't very often I fall down when I throw the ball about half the time. I am wearing bowling shoes when I do this. Just the way I throw it that causes me to slip and fall down. I never get hurt doing this and I actually enjoy the laughs I get from fellow bowlers when I do it that causes me to not change how I am throwing the ball.

You'd think this question would have been asked by the media. I haven't seen Campbell comment on it. It's the 1st round pick and he can't even stay up through a play!! I think it's a pretty important topic. What DO the media ask about??

Yeah I dont know. Seems like a reasonable question for someone in the press to ask. Not sure if anyone has addressed it yet or not.

If they do ask I imagine they might get a interesting answer about it.

Whatever it is they need to figure it out and stop it from happening. It could be something as simple as different shoes, or maybe its something else with Gibbs that he needs to work on. I dont know.

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

Seems like a worthless predictive stat lol, lot of disappointment on that list

:(

 

[FairWarning]

He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?

Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

Dan Campbell knows there's more meat on the bone in run game for Jahmyr Gibbs

Jahmyr Gibbs had an up-and-down outing last week, but Lions head coach Dan Campbell sees growth amid any frustration at unrealized yardage.

sidelionreport.com

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs

He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected.

Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".

(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."

Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.

He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me.

Thanks. Where do you rank Gibbs for rest of season in half point PPR redraft?

One way of looking at it - The Lions are going to be favored in the majority of their remaining games. That leads to Montgomery’s game more than Gibbs. If I had Gibbs, I’m either holding, or offering to the Mongomery owner. Her nothing more than a flex for the foreseeable future.

 

[FairWarning]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

That I dont know.

We are getting pretty granular here with this.

Could be he isnt as used to playing on turf as grass. Could be a lot of different things.

I know when I got bowling which isn't very often I fall down when I throw the ball about half the time. I am wearing bowling shoes when I do this. Just the way I throw it that causes me to slip and fall down. I never get hurt doing this and I actually enjoy the laughs I get from fellow bowlers when I do it that causes me to not change how I am throwing the ball.

You'd think this question would have been asked by the media. I haven't seen Campbell comment on it. It's the 1st round pick and he can't even stay up through a play!! I think it's a pretty important topic. What DO the media ask about??

it doesn’t matter that he’s a first rounder on a team that’s pretty loaded. They are getting first found production from a lot of others. Detroit‘s season fate isn’t tied to someone that isnt fitting In at the moment.

 

[Hugsy_Malone]

Bit meaningless bc we don't have enough data and teams evolve over the season

Indeed. In fact, when Football Outsiders used to be a thing, the first four games of any year were always DVOA projections rather than incorporating the statistics from the year. They were based on historical performance, I think.

You'd probably know and could correct me if I was wrong about that.

What happened to FO, anyway? They were so vital and valuable, and then a corporate entity bought them out and stopped paying staff, causing a work stoppage. Have they resumed?

 

[SproutDaddy]

My problem isn't Gibbs. Dude is electric. My problem is that guys had to draft him in the 3rd round to roster him.

I got him in the 5th behind Pollard and Walker3.

That must've been a very early draft because ADP was early 3rd round by late August

It wasn’t. It was the evening of Labor Day. Not everyone relies on the consensus rankings. I usually don’t trust rookie anything in my starting lineup. If you took him in the 3rd based on consensus rankings, that’s on you. If you reached in the 3rd, you should have had a backup plan due to being a rookie. I’ve been playing FF for 23 years. I’ve learned a lot over those years. The whining I’ve seen from wanting instant gratification in this thread is comical to me. If you took a rookie RB in the 3rd that you obviously knew was in a time share because of someone else’s rankings………that’s completely on you.

OK tough guy. Honestly I just the draft dominator app. Not everyone as smart as you I guess.

My backup plan was Cam Akers and Khalil Herbert

Seriously? I never implied being smarter than anyone. I simply conveyed what happens more times than not from my experience. Spin it how you want. It’s apparent you just want to complain.

 

[humpback]

Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.

I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.

I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.

I'm thinking jitters. Would be interesting to know, is there any history of him slipping with Alabama?

That I dont know.

We are getting pretty granular here with this.

Could be he isnt as used to playing on turf as grass. Could be a lot of different things.

I know when I got bowling which isn't very often I fall down when I throw the ball about half the time. I am wearing bowling shoes when I do this. Just the way I throw it that causes me to slip and fall down. I never get hurt doing this and I actually enjoy the laughs I get from fellow bowlers when I do it that causes me to not change how I am throwing the ball.

***Updates fantasy bowling rankings***

 

[humpback]

So, expect the status quo.

 

[jobarules]

So, expect the status quo.

yep

 

[jobarules]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Stuck behind a garbage truck on a one-way st this morning and had visions of Gibbs

 

[Dizzy]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

 

[jobarules]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

 

[kyoun1e]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

Curious what you'd be interested in if you were selling him.

I'm looking to buy.

K. Herbert for example?

 

[Dizzy]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

Curious what you'd be interested in if you were selling him.

I'm looking to buy.

K. Herbert for example?

I floated him as trade bait but got silence so no idea what the market is for him in redraft. Fair value would be another underpeforming potential starter... London maybe.

 

[Dizzy]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

 

[Chaka]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

 

[Down Under]

Undroppable, unplayable. He's been assigned to my bench. Hopefully, he'll get the message.

 

[Dizzy]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I would not. Life-long Steelers fan but want nothing to do with any of them in a fantasy redraft league.

 

[Chaka]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I would not. Life-long Steelers fan but want nothing to do with any of them in a fantasy redraft league.

I wouldn't either. Who is on your wire that can be a spot/flex starter right now and could see a massive bump in utilization if the starter goes down? And are those guys on better teams than the Lions?

 

[massraider]

He's a buy with that workload.

He can be overrated, but still help your team. Not a lot of backs out there.

 

[jobarules]

He's a buy with that workload.

He can be overrated, but still help your team. Not a lot of backs out there.

Yeah while he may be a big bust as a 3rd rounder, he has a fairly safe floor and upside. Not terrible flex for bye weeks.

 

[kyoun1e]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I've been holding J. Warren all season. I'm surprised Gibbs owners would make this swap. If they would, I'm interested.

I've got Monty. Would gladly ship off Warren, K. Herbert, maybe R. Doubs for Gibbs.

 

[pinkstapler]

Only people I can see buying are those with stupid RB depth. No one is starting him as more than a desperation flex rn. So a team with two solid starters and also a couple RB depth pieces currently outperforming Gibbs could make the savvy move to swap their bench depth for Gibbs higher upside and hope he turns into something later in the season when they are pushing/participating in the playoffs.

 

[jobarules]

Only people I can see buying are those with stupid RB depth. No one is starting him as more than a desperation flex rn. So a team with two solid starters and also a couple RB depth pieces currently outperforming Gibbs could make the savvy move to swap their bench depth for Gibbs higher upside and hope he turns into something later in the season when they are pushing/participating in the playoffs.

I might offer him to the Monty owner as a handcuff

 

[pinkstapler]

Like I'm shopping for him in a league I have Bijan, Kamara, RS, and Kyren Williams. Also have Perine and Spears on the bench. Have offered RS for Gibbs + and been turned down. Also offered Spears + for him and gotten turned down. So I think a lot of owners are still clinging onto his original ADP value as closer to what he should be worth.

Most counter offers come back as "take Gibbs + + meh trash for a Bijan or Kyren". Sorry Gibbs owners... not happening. He feels untradeable tbh.

 

[jobarules]

Only people I can see buying are those with stupid RB depth. No one is starting him as more than a desperation flex rn. So a team with two solid starters and also a couple RB depth pieces currently outperforming Gibbs could make the savvy move to swap their bench depth for Gibbs higher upside and hope he turns into something later in the season when they are pushing/participating in the playoffs.

I might offer him to the Monty owner as a handcuff

 

[humpback]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I've been holding J. Warren all season. I'm surprised Gibbs owners would make this swap. If they would, I'm interested.

I've got Monty. Would gladly ship off Warren, K. Herbert, maybe R. Doubs for Gibbs.

I highly doubt many Gibbs owners would, although Warren is overrated too IMO so maybe you'll find one.

IMO the situations are similar with the main difference being everything about the Detroit one is better. Monty is underrated while Gibbs is overrated, same for Harris and Warren, but Monty>Harris, Gibbs>>Warren and Detroit>>>>Pittsburgh.

 

[cdclopper]

Lions v Packers, all-22: Gibbs, Montgomery

 

[kyoun1e]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I've been holding J. Warren all season. I'm surprised Gibbs owners would make this swap. If they would, I'm interested.

I've got Monty. Would gladly ship off Warren, K. Herbert, maybe R. Doubs for Gibbs.

I highly doubt many Gibbs owners would, although Warren is overrated too IMO so maybe you'll find one.

IMO the situations are similar with the main difference being everything about the Detroit one is better. Monty is underrated while Gibbs is overrated, same for Harris and Warren, but Monty>Harris, Gibbs>>Warren and Detroit>>>>Pittsburgh.

Yup. Don't disagree.

Honestly I like the idea of owning the DET Backfield completely. I'd possibly give Warren (my #8 RB) and Doubs (my #3/4/5 WR).

 

[JoeJoe88]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I’ve been a little frustrated with Gibbs so far, but swapping him for Warren is a hard pass for me.

 

[kyoun1e]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I’ve been a little frustrated with Gibbs so far, but swapping him for Warren is a hard pass for me.

How about Warren and Doubs?

 

[JoeJoe88]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I’ve been a little frustrated with Gibbs so far, but swapping him for Warren is a hard pass for me.

How about Warren and Doubs?

Certainly closer but I’d likely still hold Gibbs. Would defend on the format too, starting requirements, etc. I don’t expect too much this week because Detroit should handle Carolina pretty easily but looking ahead to the Ravens and Chargers on the schedule I think Gibbs has some big games upcoming and now would be the time to buy. Or after this weeks game when he likely turns in another sub-12 point performance.

 

[jobarules]

Lions v Packers, all-22: Gibbs, Montgomery

Whos #7? He was all over Gibbs on every play

 

[Loipz]

Lions v Packers, all-22: Gibbs, Montgomery

Whos #7? He was all over Gibbs on every play

Quay Walker

 

[OU#1]

Lots of arguing about Monty being a JAG with his 3.8YPC: obviously these people didn’t watch the games. Monty looks amazing this season so far, owns this backfield, and is looking like a top 5 RB ROS

 

[SoBeDad]

Lots of arguing about Monty being a JAG with his 3.8YPC: obviously these people didn’t watch the games. Monty looks amazing this season so far, owns this backfield, and is looking like a top 5 RB ROS

He looks good to me, but there have been holes, just like for Jamaal. It's easy to look amazing when there's somewhere to run.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I do like him as a flex vs a bad panthers defense. Even if Lions jump out to big lead I doubt they will use Monty for 30 carries two games In a row. This ain't the packers.

Redraft - Right now it's more likely that I will drop him than flex him. No trade partners interested either so, here's hoping your prediction comes true.

This seems silly to drop him. I'm in a league where almost every handcuff is rostered. With bye weeks coming up it just doesn't seem reasonable.

He's unplayable right now. 4 weeks in and a nothing burger so far. You're saying I should sit on him, hope Montgomery gets hurt again, and then he can get 15 touches for 80 yds?

It depends on what you would get by dropping him on the wire.

But, generally speaking acquiring the unquestioned #2RB on one of the best teams in the league is a solid strategy.

Would you swap him for Jaylen Warren right now?

I’ve been a little frustrated with Gibbs so far, but swapping him for Warren is a hard pass for me.

Me too

Turned that down a few days ago

 

[cdclopper]

Lots of arguing about Monty being a JAG with his 3.8YPC: obviously these people didn’t watch the games. Monty looks amazing this season so far, owns this backfield, and is looking like a top 5 RB ROS

JAG is a term that gets abused, often twisted to mean 'not spectecular'. There is no way Monty can be described as just-a-guy in the NFL. Is he a reasonable threat to bust a play 50 yards or more tho? Probably not. But coaches seem to like these reliable no nonsense players. Often in favor of the flashy ones.

It's a fact that Emmit Smith has more SBs than Barry Sanders.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Lions v Packers, all-22: Gibbs, Montgomery

Gibbs looks much more explosive IMO. Walker was definitely assigned as the Gibbs spy, he was on him every play. Monty isn't bad, at all, but I can see better times ahead for Gibbs. Possible buy low?

My only trepidation is: how many targets does he get when JaMo returns? Does that effect Gibbs at all?

 

[cdclopper]

What is the take here regarding Dan Campbell's running back management while watching the Eagles turn Swift into a RB1?

The emotion for me is frustratement. I made that word up because I'm also confused.

But I also sort of trust Campbell's judgement because he's been doing a good job; certainly from a leadership standpoint, if not stategery. Maybe putting in the reliable veteran is more about team culture. The message being you get on the field for doing your job on the field, not for making the fans stand up in the bleachers.

I don't know.

 

[cdclopper]

Lions v Packers, all-22: Gibbs, Montgomery

Gibbs looks much more explosive IMO. Walker was definitely assigned as the Gibbs spy, he was on him every play. Monty isn't bad, at all, but I can see better times ahead for Gibbs. Possible buy low?

My only trepidation is: how many targets does he get when JaMo returns? Does that effect Gibbs at all?

I didn't include all of Gibbs plays, just targets and rush attempts. He was lined up at WR a good bit even when he wasnt thrown to. So it's a good question.

I would think, for those jet sweeps and other designed plays to ever really work, Gibbs needs to be out there at WR otherwise sometimes too. Not to give away the play call.

It would be great if he was actually a good receiver too. Idk about that. Here's all of Goff's plays if you want to check out Gibbs how he does even when he didn't get the ball.

 

[Chaka]

What is the take here regarding Dan Campbell's running back management while watching the Eagles turn Swift into a RB1?

The emotion for me is frustratement. I made that word up because I'm also confused.

But I also sort of trust Campbell's judgement because he's been doing a good job; certainly from a leadership standpoint, if not stategery. Maybe putting in the reliable veteran is more about team culture. The message being you get on the field for doing your job on the field, not for making the fans stand up in the bleachers.

I don't know.

It's possible Swift figured out if he doesn't get his act together that second contract will never happen.

 

[Ray_T]

Lots of arguing about Monty being a JAG with his 3.8YPC: obviously these people didn’t watch the games. Monty looks amazing this season so far, owns this backfield, and is looking like a top 5 RB ROS

JAG is a term that gets abused, often twisted to mean 'not spectecular'. There is no way Monty can be described as just-a-guy in the NFL. Is he a reasonable threat to bust a play 50 yards or more tho? Probably not. But coaches seem to like these reliable no nonsense players. Often in favor of the flashy ones.

It's a fact that Emmit Smith has more SBs than Barry Sanders.

Montgomery is a hugely underrated player. largely because he was miscast on a terrible team.
with a decent line in front of him hes as solid as you need him to be.
he can run and wear down a defense, he can go out for a pass and he can block for his QB to pickup the blitz if the play calls for it.

his high end speed may not match Gibbs but he does an awful lot of things well and Gibbs could learn a lot from him if hes wise enough to pay attention (which I am guessing may actually be the reason he was brought in)

and given that Gibbs is better used as a chesspiece to create mismatches elsewhere on offense there is no need to take a lot of carries away from Montgomery at this time. you can have them both on the field either in 2 back sets or with Gibbs lined up in the slot or out wide.

this gives the lions lots of options and lots of ways to adjust and exploint weaknesses in a defense. I like it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lots of arguing about Monty being a JAG with his 3.8YPC: obviously these people didn’t watch the games. Monty looks amazing this season so far, owns this backfield, and is looking like a top 5 RB ROS

JAG is a term that gets abused, often twisted to mean 'not spectecular'. There is no way Monty can be described as just-a-guy in the NFL. Is he a reasonable threat to bust a play 50 yards or more tho? Probably not. But coaches seem to like these reliable no nonsense players. Often in favor of the flashy ones.

It's a fact that Emmit Smith has more SBs than Barry Sanders.

I like most of what you said but it's also a fact that offensive lines mean a whole lot. Just like Detroit has a better OL than Chicago for Montgomery , Dallas had a better OL than Detroit back then. So unless you think a player is about to change teams it becomes a big part of the equation, not just which RB one thinks has more talent.

 

[Stoneworker]

It's a fact that Emmit Smith has more SBs than Barry Sanders.

Completely irrelevant