RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (1 Viewer)

[humpback]

Guys..”we’ all wrote the script….we assumed high draft pick= the starter day 1 and be Jamaal Williams +. The team didnt say that…we guessed and guessed wrong. He’s looked good from what I’ve seen but doesn’t have the role yet. I like his chances to be a top back but the timing is the question….

Completely disagree. The overwhelming majority expected Monty to be 1a/Jamaal Williams+ and for Gibbs to be 1b/Swift+. And while obviously "we" created his ADP, it wasn't like it was pulled out of thin air, it was based on a bunch of stuff like really high draft capital, really high praise in camp, all the talk about how they're going to get creative and showcase his explosiveness on the field, etc.

Unfortunately very little of that has translated and they're using him much more like a typical back-up (B) RB. And unfortunately for owners, I think it's been justified- he hasn't been terrible, but he really hasn't played well to date, especially in the passing game which is supposed to be his calling card. It's still very early so hopefully he improves but the coaches would be nuts to take too many touches away from Monty and give them to him at this point.

 

[Dizzy]

Not looking good for ARSB this week... assume Williams is not ready to contribute in a big way... could THIS be the week Gibbs has more to contribute in the passing game?

 

[kyoun1e]

Guys..”we’ all wrote the script….we assumed high draft pick= the starter day 1 and be Jamaal Williams +. The team didnt say that…we guessed and guessed wrong. He’s looked good from what I’ve seen but doesn’t have the role yet. I like his chances to be a top back but the timing is the question….

Completely disagree. The overwhelming majority expected Monty to be 1a/Jamaal Williams+ and for Gibbs to be 1b/Swift+. And while obviously "we" created his ADP, it wasn't like it was pulled out of thin air, it was based on a bunch of stuff like really high draft capital, really high praise in camp, all the talk about how they're going to get creative and showcase his explosiveness on the field, etc.

Unfortunately very little of that has translated and they're using him much more like a typical back-up (B) RB. And unfortunately for owners, I think it's been justified- he hasn't been terrible, but he really hasn't played well to date, especially in the passing game which is supposed to be his calling card. It's still very early so hopefully he improves but the coaches would be nuts to take too many touches away from Monty and give them to him at this point.

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

I think eventually he lives up to third/fourth round value. Just think it's going to take maybe a couple more weeks.

As a new owner of Gibbs, that's my hope. And I hope that's not wishful thinking.

If DET wants to be a super bowl contender Gibbs will need to be unlocked at some point.

 

[Stoneworker]

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

 

[Dizzy]

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

None of this matters.

Dude's played 4 games, and you guys are arguing like his career is being evaluated.

Show of hands... who had Puka and Moore as WR1 & WR2?

 

[jobarules]

Guys..”we’ all wrote the script….we assumed high draft pick= the starter day 1 and be Jamaal Williams +. The team didnt say that…we guessed and guessed wrong. He’s looked good from what I’ve seen but doesn’t have the role yet. I like his chances to be a top back but the timing is the question….

Completely disagree. The overwhelming majority expected Monty to be 1a/Jamaal Williams+ and for Gibbs to be 1b/Swift+. And while obviously "we" created his ADP, it wasn't like it was pulled out of thin air, it was based on a bunch of stuff like really high draft capital, really high praise in camp, all the talk about how they're going to get creative and showcase his explosiveness on the field, etc.

Unfortunately very little of that has translated and they're using him much more like a typical back-up (B) RB. And unfortunately for owners, I think it's been justified- he hasn't been terrible, but he really hasn't played well to date, especially in the passing game which is supposed to be his calling card. It's still very early so hopefully he improves but the coaches would be nuts to take too many touches away from Monty and give them to him at this point.

This is spot on

 

[humpback]

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

Plenty of people didn't draft him simply because they didn't get the opportunity to. And how much is "being correct" worth if they took Najee, Mixon, Jones, Hall, Stevenson, Pierce, etc. instead?

In any event, his reasoning is completely incorrect IMO- virtually no one expected him to be Jamaal+.

 

[kyoun1e]

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

Correct as of now.

Could change. Quickly.

And as somebody who just traded for him I hope that's this week.

 

[Stoneworker]

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

Plenty of people didn't draft him simply because they didn't get the opportunity to. And how much is "being correct" worth if they took Najee, Mixon, Jones, Hall, Stevenson, Pierce, etc. instead?

In any event, his reasoning is completely incorrect IMO- virtually no one expected him to be Jamaal+.

The bolded is no doubt true. I'm not crowing, just saying that at consensus RB12/13 he stood out like a sore thumb given the (IMO obvious) risk relative to more established RB/WR names around him at that slot.

 

[Stoneworker]

Agree with the assumptions. And everyone was universally agreeing that he should not slip past the 4th round. I find it amusing that some people with hindsight being 20/20 are saying "you drafted him too early." Lol.

The people who didn't draft him....didn't draft him primarily because he was going too early.

That's not 20/20 hindsight. That's called being correct.

Correct as of now.

Could change. Quickly.

And as somebody who just traded for him I hope that's this week.

I wish you well

 

[jobarules]

Listed as questionable with a hamstring. When did he even get hurt?

 

[jon_mx]

This should be a good day for Gibbs. ARSB is banged up, but will probably play. I think the Lions control the game and will grind it out. Carolina is 27th on run defense. Both Gibbs and Monty will see 15 touches.

I don't think you can have a more "grind it out" game than last week when they ran the ball 43 times, and we all saw how that worked out for Gibbs. Why on earth should we expect it to be 50/50 this week if it's a similar situation?

A grind out game feels more Monty then Gibbs. Just feels like your waiting for the one big play from him to provide value. Not what your wanting in 3rd or maybe 4th round pick. I own shares of neither.

Agreed. The issue is that every game feels more Monty than Gibbs, it's simply about how large of a margin.

Because running Mony 30 times a game is not sustainable. They need to get Gibbs more involved to keep Monty for the season. Monty 22 carries, Gibbs 15 carries and 5 receptions.

 

[Chaka]

Gibbs is actually seeing a little more utilization than Swift did last season ~14 to ~12 opportunities per game.

Swift was more efficient with ~67 yards/game and Gibbs is at ~62. The big differentiator is TDs where Swift paced for 10 over a 17 game season and Gibbs is still waiting on his first.

 

[kyoun1e]

Listed as questionable with a hamstring. When did he even get hurt?

Was just thinking of playing him alongside Montgomery.

Now Montgomery is going to get like 50 carries.

 

[jon_mx]

Listed as questionable with a hamstring. When did he even get hurt?

Was just thinking of playing him alongside Montgomery.

Now Montgomery is going to get like 50 carries.

I would bet on LaPorta having a monster night. Even Jamo could see more usage than hinted at.

 

[humpback]

This should be a good day for Gibbs. ARSB is banged up, but will probably play. I think the Lions control the game and will grind it out. Carolina is 27th on run defense. Both Gibbs and Monty will see 15 touches.

I don't think you can have a more "grind it out" game than last week when they ran the ball 43 times, and we all saw how that worked out for Gibbs. Why on earth should we expect it to be 50/50 this week if it's a similar situation?

A grind out game feels more Monty then Gibbs. Just feels like your waiting for the one big play from him to provide value. Not what your wanting in 3rd or maybe 4th round pick. I own shares of neither.

Agreed. The issue is that every game feels more Monty than Gibbs, it's simply about how large of a margin.

Because running Mony 30 times a game is not sustainable. They need to get Gibbs more involved to keep Monty for the season. Monty 22 carries, Gibbs 15 carries and 5 receptions.

I don't disagree, but it's painfully obvious that the Lions do, at least right now. Predicting a ~50/50 split one week after it was ~75/25 seems pretty unrealistic IMO.

 

[kyoun1e]

Any Campbell quotes on Gibbs hammy?

 

[Big Nate]

Any Campbell quotes on Gibbs hammy?

no the injury must have happened during afternoon practice, his Friday presser was late morning

Hopefully nothing serious and just a little sore and getting rest.

Late designations are not usually good though but at least it was a limited practice and not DNP.

 

[Rookiefever]

this feels like he’s going to be fine or just out there as a decoy…

 

[Dizzy]

this feels like he’s going to be fine or just out there as a decoy…

Gotta be a threat first before you can become a decoy, no?

 

[jobarules]

this feels like he’s going to be fine or just out there as a decoy…

So status quo either way

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

trotting out RB63 if he plays, I will go down with this ship

 

[Banger]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

 

[Jamesinaz]

This should be a good day for Gibbs. ARSB is banged up, but will probably play. I think the Lions control the game and will grind it out. Carolina is 27th on run defense. Both Gibbs and Monty will see 15 touches.

I don't think you can have a more "grind it out" game than last week when they ran the ball 43 times, and we all saw how that worked out for Gibbs. Why on earth should we expect it to be 50/50 this week if it's a similar situation?

A grind out game feels more Monty then Gibbs. Just feels like your waiting for the one big play from him to provide value. Not what your wanting in 3rd or maybe 4th round pick. I own shares of neither.

Agreed. The issue is that every game feels more Monty than Gibbs, it's simply about how large of a margin.

Because running Mony 30 times a game is not sustainable. They need to get Gibbs more involved to keep Monty for the season. Monty 22 carries, Gibbs 15 carries and 5 receptions.

As a Monty owner and not Gibbs I HOPE they split the load somewhat. As long as Monty gets all the goal line looks heck split it even until then. I know. Selfish and in a Gibbs thread. Being realistic it does look like it so far.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

The Decoy Lions love to draft blue chip Tide first round decoys to open up the field for 4th rounders Josh Reynolds and David Montgomery.

 

[scothawk]

I traded him for a 2024 first that is likely to be top 5. Id rather be in the MHJr sweepstakes or looking at a top 3 RB than worry about this. The talent is there, but Monty looks reborn and I can see this continuing,

 

[jobarules]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

He's the 28th ranked rb in fantasy points one spot ahead of steelers backup jaylen warren

 

[Biabreakable]

The Decoy Lions love to draft blue chip Tide first round decoys to open up the field for 4th rounders Josh Reynolds and David Montgomery.

I realize you're just trying to be funny here but Montgomery was a 3rd round pick and the 4th RB selected in the 2019 draft. Although he lacks great speed he is a very good RB and personally I thought he was better than Josh Jacobs at the time who was the 1st RB selected in that class in the 1st round. While I would say I was wrong about this, I only mention it to point out that Montgomery is a better RB than I feel a lot of people give him credit for. Playing for the Bears up until this season certainly didn't do him any favors.

As far as the decoy joke, which I did find kind of funny by the way, its not just a joke. The Green Bay Packers put a spy on Gibbs in their game which did open up other parts of their offense. Teams do not have one of their best players spy a QB or a RB unless they consider that player to be a threat that requires it, because doing that opens up other parts of the offense. Pre snap motion can draw that spy player completely out of the play because its man to man. It leaves gaps in the run fits as well because of this. If Green Bay didn't consider Gibbs a threat then why would they do this?

 

[Ilov80s]

I think this is a case of both sides being right

He has underwhelmed and hasn't always looked special. I was impressed against KC, not so impressed some other games.

On the other hand, I think the Lions always planned to bring him a long slow because they love what Monty can do as a between the tackles grinder. The role they want for Gibbs is likely pretty complex and something he isn't ready for. The team is focused on winning and they are winning so there is no rush to get all the Gibbs plays/packages out there.

 

[Biabreakable]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

He's the 28th ranked rb in fantasy points one spot ahead of steelers backup jaylen warren

He has 40 less total yards than Montgomery has right now on 19 fewer touches.

As someone said earlier in the thread the difference here is touchdowns.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

He's the 28th ranked rb in fantasy points one spot ahead of steelers backup jaylen warren

He has 40 less total yards than Montgomery has right now on 19 fewer touches.

As someone said earlier in the thread the difference here is touchdowns.

The instant gratification crew continues to complain. It isn’t going to stop.

 

[kface]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

He's the 28th ranked rb in fantasy points one spot ahead of steelers backup jaylen warren

He has 40 less total yards than Montgomery has right now on 19 fewer touches.

As someone said earlier in the thread the difference here is touchdowns.

The instant gratification crew continues to complain. It isn’t going to stop.

This is fantasy and he was a high pick. This thread is filled with people predicting 1500 total yards and double digit tds....so yes people are looking for instant gratification. Rookie rbs come in all the time and understand the offense and pick up blitzes and have huge success. RBs that are picked way behind the first round have success. So this stuff that he's too dumb to understand the nfl game and he doesn't see what's happening on the field is and should be concerning. Can he turn it around? Sure he can and Josh Rosen might be qb1 in a couple of years. All within the realm of possibility but put me in the camp that this thread has turned into 'it's all a ploy to motivate tatum bell'. So many excuses being made when he was a high pick and should perform. RBs (especially like this) have maybe a 4-5 year window of success in the nfl and the lions are planning on wasting one of those years??? Seems like stupid drafting to me

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Decoy Lions love to draft blue chip Tide first round decoys to open up the field for 4th rounders Josh Reynolds and David Montgomery.

Its rare to run across a thermodynamically excellent user name. Thank you sir.

 

[jon_mx]

The doom and gloom is funny in this thread. He’s had 8, 12.6, 9 and 9. Certainly not mind blowing but aren’t zeros. not Giving up hope at all…

He's the 28th ranked rb in fantasy points one spot ahead of steelers backup jaylen warren

He has 40 less total yards than Montgomery has right now on 19 fewer touches.

As someone said earlier in the thread the difference here is touchdowns.

The instant gratification crew continues to complain. It isn’t going to stop.

This is fantasy and he was a high pick. This thread is filled with people predicting 1500 total yards and double digit tds....so yes people are looking for instant gratification. Rookie rbs come in all the time and understand the offense and pick up blitzes and have huge success. RBs that are picked way behind the first round have success. So this stuff that he's too dumb to understand the nfl game and he doesn't see what's happening on the field is and should be concerning. Can he turn it around? Sure he can and Josh Rosen might be qb1 in a couple of years. All within the realm of possibility but put me in the camp that this thread has turned into 'it's all a ploy to motivate tatum bell'. So many excuses being made when he was a high pick and should perform. RBs (especially like this) have maybe a 4-5 year window of success in the nfl and the lions are planning on wasting one of those years??? Seems like stupid drafting to me

Even with his slow start, he is on pace for over 1000 yards from scrimmage. If he is injuried, it puts a damper on that. But I expect his usage to ramp up as he plays more.

 

[Rookiefever]

A few weeks back I was expect this to be the week he would be a little more trustworthy in lineups. I’m not feeling it. And now a hammy issue. Benched for Mixon on my team. Enjoy the 30 point blowup for those who start him! Haha

 

[Ilov80s]

And the contract off the books when ARich may want a new deal.

Wrong thread

 

[jobarules]

Downgraded to Doubtful

Dude is droppable

 

[kyoun1e]

That escalated quickly.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Downgraded to Doubtful

Dude is droppable

D’Andre Swift career trajectory without the td’s

 

[travdogg]

That escalated quickly.

Speed guy with a hammy, suddenly doubtful (likely out) also makes me think its very likely this isn't a 1 week issue.

 

[SoBeDad]

Craig Reynolds has a slightly higher PFF grade than Gibbs, both low 60s. And he was high 60s last year. What's the lowdown on Craig?

 

[leftcoastheel]

Said before and I’ll say it again. Dude may have elite speed but he is a total JAG - doesn’t understand the game/has no vision, questionable catching ability, slips and falls a lot and now injury issues. Worst FF pick I’ve ever made.

 

[jobarules]

Said before and I’ll say it again. Dude may have elite speed but he is a total JAG - doesn’t understand the game/has no vision, questionable catching ability, slips and falls a lot and now injury issues. Worst FF pick I’ve ever made.

Same here and I think he's gonna be a real life bust as well.

 

[leftcoastheel]

Said before and I’ll say it again. Dude may have elite speed but he is a total JAG - doesn’t understand the game/has no vision, questionable catching ability, slips and falls a lot and now injury issues. Worst FF pick I’ve ever made.

Same here and I think he's gonna be a real life bust as well.

The thing is the Lions are really good. But it is head scratching crazy decisions like the whole Gibbs saga that just make me view that organization as a perennial **** show. They’ll never get it together. Glad to have them in the nfc.

 

[SoBeDad]

His 1st year in Detroit (2021) with both Swift & Jamaal were injured, he was the highest graded RB back to back weeks. Hasn't really done much since. Didn't make the 53-man this summer but was on the handshake crew, after they moved some guys to the IR they resigned him. Good teammate, very average player.

If Saquon doesn't play, I might pick up Craig. Due to injuries and byes, I'd be starting both Reynolds from DET! Assuming Josh plays. If Gibbs misses time, I think they get sign someone else.

 

[dmac37]

List of lions RB's drafted and round drafted since Barry. Each player flashed but all but Swift became quick busts.

K. Jones 1st
K. Smith 3rd
Best 1st
Leshoure 2nd
K. Johnson 2nd
Swift 2nd
Gibbs pick 12

As a Lions fan, the only pick that pissed me off more than Gibbs was Andre Ware back in the day. I was 100% convinced that Ware was a bust from the beginning. The Gibbs pick was just so stupid considering their playing style and the defensive players they passed on. With that said, I think Gibbs value may eventually increase compared to how low it is right now.

 

[Da Guru]

Said before and I’ll say it again. Dude may have elite speed but he is a total JAG - doesn’t understand the game/has no vision, questionable catching ability, slips and falls a lot and now injury issues. Worst FF pick I’ve ever made.

Same here and I think he's gonna be a real life bust as well.

There is not one Lions fan I know who was not shocked when the Lions drafted Gibbs. Did not want to waste a high pick on a RB after signing Monty and still having Swift.

We had Swift for another year for peanuts.

Right now I have no idea if he will be a bust or not..who knows after 4 games. Just think it was a luxury pick. There were stud lineman on both sides of the ball. As you see when the Lions o-line and d-line are rocking it really does not matter who the RBs are when the trenches are dominating.

 

[eighsse2]

List of lions RB's drafted and round drafted since Barry. Each player flashed but all but Swift became quick busts.

K. Jones 1st
K. Smith 3rd
Best 1st
Leshoure 2nd
K. Johnson 2nd
Swift 2nd
Gibbs pick 12

As a Lions fan, the only pick that pissed me off more than Gibbs was Andre Ware back in the day. I was 100% convinced that Ware was a bust from the beginning. The Gibbs pick was just so stupid considering their playing style and the defensive players they passed on. With that said, I think Gibbs value may eventually increase compared to how low it is right now.

Don't forget Abdullah 2nd.

 

[Chaka]

Downgraded to Doubtful

Dude is droppable

We all drafted him too early, so far, but you seem particularly bitter about it. Don't take this the wrong way but maybe you should drop him at this point. I think it might be good for your mental health.

 

[jobarules]

Downgraded to Doubtful

Dude is droppable

We all drafted him too early, so far, but you seem particularly bitter about it. Don't take this the wrong way but maybe you should drop him at this point. I think it might be good for your mental health.

Nothing really available on waivers on Saturday but definitely a candidate next week