RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (4 Viewers)

[LawFitz]

Why Seahawks’ RB job share with Walker, Charbonnet? More than meets the eye

Thank you. That sums and clears this up plenty. This is a full blown RBBC timeshare.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I wish we could somehow merge this and the Charbonnet thread. The exact same conversations are happening in both.

 

[menobrown]

I don’t feel clearer about anything either. However Charbonnet is mysteriously missing from the passing game as he is a good receiver out of the backfield and walker seems to gobble up all of the receptions. Overall I think walker has better usage going forward but it’s kind of like Atlanta in which charbs may snipe some tds

This is where I've landed- if one of the backs becomes a clear starter they're immediately vaulted to the RB1 status in this offense, but at the moment for your line-up decisions you have to follow the production. KW is a risky buy because who know what's gonna happen week 3, but if I leaned one direction it would be towards him being the season-long play.

Wish I had any piece of either, even if just for the lottery potential if the roles clarify or there is injury.

Same, except if both are healthy I don’t have a lean despite thinking Walker is the superior player.

It’s one of the more perplexing situations right now.

Charbs plays more and in more high value situations. More short yardage and passing situations.

Walker is more explosive and despite running less routes has been catching more passes.

Charbs outplayed him week one. Walker dusted Charbs in week 2.

The only constant has been Charbs playing more. I’m hoping week 2 changed that, but I can’t say for sure it did.

It’s possible they view the best way to maximize Walker and keep him healthy is the kind of usage we’ve seen the first 2 weeks.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I don’t feel clearer about anything either. However Charbonnet is mysteriously missing from the passing game as he is a good receiver out of the backfield and walker seems to gobble up all of the receptions. Overall I think walker has better usage going forward but it’s kind of like Atlanta in which charbs may snipe some tds

This is where I've landed- if one of the backs becomes a clear starter they're immediately vaulted to the RB1 status in this offense, but at the moment for your line-up decisions you have to follow the production. KW is a risky buy because who know what's gonna happen week 3, but if I leaned one direction it would be towards him being the season-long play.

Wish I had any piece of either, even if just for the lottery potential if the roles clarify or there is injury.

Same, except if both are healthy I don’t have a lean despite thinking Walker is the superior player.

It’s one of the more perplexing situations right now.

Charbs plays more and in more high value situations. More short yardage and passing situations.

Walker is more explosive and despite running less routes has been catching more passes.

Charbs outplayed him week one. Walker dusted Charbs in week 2.

The only constant has been Charbs playing more. I’m hoping week 2 changed that, but I can’t say for sure it did.

It’s possible they view the best way to maximize Walker and keep him healthy is the kind of usage we’ve seen the first 2 weeks.

I agree, I see mentions of wanting Walker to be a bellcow but I don't think he'd hold up and I tend to doubt their coaching staff thinks so either. Best case, he continues to get 15 or so touches each week and produces on them, he's never gonna be a 25+ touch back. Charbs is a little banged up apparently so this week might be a good Walker week hopefully.

 

[Payne]

Why Seahawks’ RB job share with Walker, Charbonnet? More than meets the eye

Not ideal for either of them. That being said, Walker doesn't need a huge workload to be a top 20 RB.
He was drafted by most as an RB2 and he is producing as such with the upside to be an RB1 like he was in week 2.

 

[LawFitz]

He was drafted by most as an RB2 and he is producing as such with the upside to be an RB1 like he was in week 2.

And the downside to be an RB0 like he was in week 1.

 

[LawFitz]

@Payne, I like KWIII's talent more than Charb's as well. But I've been on this coaster for 2.5 years now and it's anything but stable.

 

[bolzano]

Looks like he’s gonna have the backfield all to himself this week. Juicy matchup too. Let’s see if he can put some distance between him and Charbs.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Looks like he’s gonna have the backfield all to himself this week. Juicy matchup too. Let’s see if he can put some distance between him and Charbs.

Where are you seeing that he has the backfield all to himself ?

 

[bolzano]

Looks like he’s gonna have the backfield all to himself this week. Juicy matchup too. Let’s see if he can put some distance between him and Charbs.

Where are you seeing that he has the backfield all to himself ?

Charbonnet is injured and likely won’t play. I mean, I suppose the Seahawks could fill that gap with their third stringer. But, I doubt it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1 in a row! Interesting to watch some of the victory laps being done and some rewriting of history over the past 2+ years by the usual suspects, but I’ll concede without any reservation that Walker was the better back by far yesterday.

I’m wondering if we aren’t headed to a hot hand approach moving forward.

Go back to last year. Charbonnet had a couple of great games. Did they stick with him when Walker came back? No.
Walker was right back in the starting lineup.

Go back to game 1. Charbonnet was playing better. No doubt.
Yet the coaching staff started Walked in the 2nd half and he was the back on the field when the game was on the line.

I don't know what else you need. It is and always has been Walker when he is healthy.
And who is rewriting history?

You know that SEA has a new OC this year who has a pretty good track record of productive running games, right? Why would what previous OCs have done dictate what Kubiak will do? I’m guessing he’s more concerned with production rather than who runs faster.

Who was more productive:
Player A had 105 yards and a TD on 13 carries and 1 reception for 13 yards.
Player B had 10 yards on 15 carries and no targets

well that’s a mighty convincing argument. say stranger, how big is that sample size?

1 game, you say?

Huh

 

[Payne]

1 in a row! Interesting to watch some of the victory laps being done and some rewriting of history over the past 2+ years by the usual suspects, but I’ll concede without any reservation that Walker was the better back by far yesterday.

I’m wondering if we aren’t headed to a hot hand approach moving forward.

Go back to last year. Charbonnet had a couple of great games. Did they stick with him when Walker came back? No.
Walker was right back in the starting lineup.

Go back to game 1. Charbonnet was playing better. No doubt.
Yet the coaching staff started Walked in the 2nd half and he was the back on the field when the game was on the line.

I don't know what else you need. It is and always has been Walker when he is healthy.
And who is rewriting history?

You know that SEA has a new OC this year who has a pretty good track record of productive running games, right? Why would what previous OCs have done dictate what Kubiak will do? I’m guessing he’s more concerned with production rather than who runs faster.

Who was more productive:
Player A had 105 yards and a TD on 13 carries and 1 reception for 13 yards.
Player B had 10 yards on 15 carries and no targets

well that’s a mighty convincing argument. say stranger, how big is that sample size?

1 game, you say?

Huh

Two years. You know better Hot Sauce.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1 in a row! Interesting to watch some of the victory laps being done and some rewriting of history over the past 2+ years by the usual suspects, but I’ll concede without any reservation that Walker was the better back by far yesterday.

I’m wondering if we aren’t headed to a hot hand approach moving forward.

Go back to last year. Charbonnet had a couple of great games. Did they stick with him when Walker came back? No.
Walker was right back in the starting lineup.

Go back to game 1. Charbonnet was playing better. No doubt.
Yet the coaching staff started Walked in the 2nd half and he was the back on the field when the game was on the line.

I don't know what else you need. It is and always has been Walker when he is healthy.
And who is rewriting history?

You know that SEA has a new OC this year who has a pretty good track record of productive running games, right? Why would what previous OCs have done dictate what Kubiak will do? I’m guessing he’s more concerned with production rather than who runs faster.

Who was more productive:
Player A had 105 yards and a TD on 13 carries and 1 reception for 13 yards.
Player B had 10 yards on 15 carries and no targets

well that’s a mighty convincing argument. say stranger, how big is that sample size?

1 game, you say?

Huh

Two years. You know better Hot Sauce.

Of course, I’m just stirring the pot. Can’t risk this topic dying.

 

[bolzano]

Giddy-up!

As a Charbs owner, too, perhaps it’s better that KW3 and Charbs trade off injuries so that we end up with predictable RB1/ RB2 production rather than the RB2/ flex numbers that result from an RBBC

 

[Faust]

Field Yates
Seahawks RB Zach Charbonnet is doubtful to play Sunday against the Saints.

It’s workhorse Ken Walker time

https://x.com/fieldyates/status/1969134971123110329?s=61

 

[TampaMike19]

Giddy-up!

As a Charbs owner, too, perhaps it’s better that KW3 and Charbs trade off injuries so that we end up with predictable RB1/ RB2 production rather than the RB2/ flex numbers that result from an RBBC

You’re right. Thought owning both was the play and now it’s flip flopped to where walker is the healthy one. Not sure what to expect but maybe 60-70% snaps and 20 touches? Could be walkers best game of this season

 

[JoeJoe88]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

 

[bolzano]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

Yep, and it looks like Charbonnet is back this week. Opportunity lost.

 

[Alpha Dawgs]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

I will take a floor of 12 points any week despite the inefficiency. Drafted him last year and rd4 this year. His 33+ PPR points in week 4 last year turned my season around after starting 0-3 & I went on winning my 16 team league.

That uneasy feeling everyone has starting him is with me but he is in my flex this week so I believe he is good for around 12+ points.

 

[Drake Hater]

Who else is rolling with KWIII tonight?

 

[Payne]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

Yep, and it looks like Charbonnet is back this week. Opportunity lost.

In all seriousness, what opportunity was lost?

 

[3 hour lunch]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

I will take a floor of 12 points any week despite the inefficiency. Drafted him last year and rd4 this year. His 33+ PPR points in week 4 last year turned my season around after starting 0-3 & I went on winning my 16 team league.

That uneasy feeling everyone has starting him is with me but he is in my flex this week so I believe he is good for around 12+ points.

I think the point is that his floor is more like 2 points, and he has not looked great for the most part. He should continue to get occasional TDs but can’t always count on that. Have few choices so I have to start him but not feeling great about it

 

[Alpha Dawgs]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

I will take a floor of 12 points any week despite the inefficiency. Drafted him last year and rd4 this year. His 33+ PPR points in week 4 last year turned my season around after starting 0-3 & I went on winning my 16 team league.

That uneasy feeling everyone has starting him is with me but he is in my flex this week so I believe he is good for around 12+ points.

I think the point is that his floor is more like 2 points, and he has not looked great for the most part. He should continue to get occasional TDs but can’t always count on that. Have few choices so I have to start him but not feeling great about it

I have Jeudy and 1st time out this year Addison on my bench so many of us are in this dilemma about starting Walker. Even if he gets 30-50 yards on the ground and a few receptions with some yards he is close to double digits. Any TD certainly puts him in his projected range.

Watched a few analysts saying this Seattle D can be top 5, if so, an opportunity to flip the field puts Walker closer to the goal line so I'm kinda counting on that.

 

[Alpha Dawgs]

BTW, Murray hasn't beaten Seattle since 2020.

 

[menobrown]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

In fairness he did have two nice runs called back for penalty.

But I've noticed Macdonald's comments after the last two games have not been overly flattering towards Walker. Not overly negative, just not great.

After the game last week he said we got to "block it better and run it better", said the play call is sound but the execution is not. That's not a shot directly at Walker of course, but when you say you got to run it better who else is he talking about?

After the week two game where Charbs stunk and Walker looked great he really had no praise for Walker, just said the run and blocking on a long outside run by Walker was not good enough and the play should have been a TD instead of a nice gain. But he was quick to come to Charbs defense for his bad game and put the blame on the blocking.

None of this is really moving the meter for me or where I'm ranking them, just find it interesting and certainly don't see any change to this 1A/1B backfield when both are healthy.

 

[Payne]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

In fairness he did have two nice runs called back for penalty.

But I've noticed Macdonald's comments after the last two games have not been overly flattering towards Walker. Not overly negative, just not great.

After the game last week he said we got to "block it better and run it better", said the play call is sound but the execution is not. That's not a shot directly at Walker of course, but when you say you got to run it better who else is he talking about?

After the week two game where Charbs stunk and Walker looked great he really had no praise for Walker, just said the run and blocking on a long outside run by Walker was not good enough and the play should have been a TD instead of a nice gain. But he was quick to come to Charbs defense for his bad game and put the blame on the blocking.

None of this is really moving the meter for me or where I'm ranking them, just find it interesting and certainly don't see any change to this 1A/1B backfield when both are healthy.

I think you answered your own question. Both backs are good to very good. The O-line is and has been bad.
When I read "we need to block it and run it better" I think it is a direct shot at the o-line.
Both of these guys have shown the ability to have monster games when the blocking is there.

 

[menobrown]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

In fairness he did have two nice runs called back for penalty.

But I've noticed Macdonald's comments after the last two games have not been overly flattering towards Walker. Not overly negative, just not great.

After the game last week he said we got to "block it better and run it better", said the play call is sound but the execution is not. That's not a shot directly at Walker of course, but when you say you got to run it better who else is he talking about?

After the week two game where Charbs stunk and Walker looked great he really had no praise for Walker, just said the run and blocking on a long outside run by Walker was not good enough and the play should have been a TD instead of a nice gain. But he was quick to come to Charbs defense for his bad game and put the blame on the blocking.

None of this is really moving the meter for me or where I'm ranking them, just find it interesting and certainly don't see any change to this 1A/1B backfield when both are healthy.

I think you answered your own question. Both backs are good to very good. The O-line is and has been bad.
When I read "we need to block it and run it better" I think it is a direct shot at the o-line.
Both of these guys have shown the ability to have monster games when the blocking is there.

I agree both backs are good and the OL is not.

I don't agree that MacDonald's comments were strictly at the OL but believe they were also directly at Walker.

 

[Payne]

Thank goodness for the tds. Honestly looked terribly inefficient otherwise. Had an opportunity to potentially put even more ground between him and Charbs, but 16/38 is really bad.

In fairness he did have two nice runs called back for penalty.

But I've noticed Macdonald's comments after the last two games have not been overly flattering towards Walker. Not overly negative, just not great.

After the game last week he said we got to "block it better and run it better", said the play call is sound but the execution is not. That's not a shot directly at Walker of course, but when you say you got to run it better who else is he talking about?

After the week two game where Charbs stunk and Walker looked great he really had no praise for Walker, just said the run and blocking on a long outside run by Walker was not good enough and the play should have been a TD instead of a nice gain. But he was quick to come to Charbs defense for his bad game and put the blame on the blocking.

None of this is really moving the meter for me or where I'm ranking them, just find it interesting and certainly don't see any change to this 1A/1B backfield when both are healthy.

I think you answered your own question. Both backs are good to very good. The O-line is and has been bad.
When I read "we need to block it and run it better" I think it is a direct shot at the o-line.
Both of these guys have shown the ability to have monster games when the blocking is there.

I agree both backs are good and the OL is not.

I don't agree that MacDonald's comments were strictly at the OL but believe they were also directly at Walker.

Over the last two weeks, Walker has averaged 15.5 touches and 84 total yards as the RB8 in fantasy points per game.
Among 48 qualifying rushers, Walker ranks eighth in explosive run rate and 13th in missed tackles forced per attempt.

Obviously, Walker can do better, however he has been one of the leaders in forced missed tackles since he's been in the league.

The line needs to do better for both of these guys.

 

[Payne]

Looks like Charbonnet is playing.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Looks like Charbonnet is playing.

I will never start Charbs over K9 if both are healthy. Maybe that's stupid, but I'm playing to win. Obviously if there is a dramatic change in the snap count, i will adjust. Lets not forget this IS a new offense, it should take time for K9 to see the lanes he needs properly, and consistently.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Pretty clear who RB1 is tonight

 

[DeaLerZ]

Pretty clear who RB1 is tonight

Yeah it's very clear who the better back is

 

[Ray Barboni]

Pretty clear who RB1 is tonight

Yeah it's very clear who the better back is

It … is.

Unfortunately; they are giving the ball to Charbs. He’s done nothing with it.

Most RB’s need the ball .. the way they are “managing” K9 just doesn’t make sense

 

[The Finist]

Is charbs averaging under 2 ypc over his last 20 carries? Looking like he isnt wven a good change of pace back right now

 

[Ray Barboni]

Is charbs averaging under 2 ypc over his last 20 carries? Looking like he isnt wven a good change of pace back right now

He needs to be relegated to pure backup. This offense would be better off giving ONE RB all of the touches.

This swapping of drives is killing any momentum this team has

 

[DeaLerZ]

Pretty clear who RB1 is tonight

Yeah it's very clear who the better back is

It … is.

Unfortunately; they are giving the ball to Charbs. He’s done nothing with it.

Most RB’s need the ball .. the way they are “managing” K9 just doesn’t make sense

It's just "Dumb"... i don't know how else to say it... with all the access to statistics, PFF grades, film, etc... it's obvious to anyone with "eyes" that watches the game...

 

[JoeJoe88]

Sweet so Charbs is the GL back

 

[Ray Barboni]

Dude.

Gross

 

[JoeJoe88]

And people wonder why we are apprehensive to start Walker?

 

[mjb03003]

Walker hasn’t been on the field since he was flagged for “taunting” when he threw the ball at the defender after the whistle.

Coaching staff may not have loved that. I would imagine he gets a fresh start in the 2nd half.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

KW3 is the better RB but Charbs is the RB that gets the most valuable fantasy touches.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Walker hasn’t been on the field since he was flagged for “taunting” when he threw the ball at the defender after the whistle.

Coaching staff may not have loved that. I would imagine he gets a fresh start in the 2nd half.

Pretty weak call anyway considering the defender was twisting his ankle like they were in the WWE

 

[Ray Barboni]

Walker hasn’t been on the field since he was flagged for “taunting” when he threw the ball at the defender after the whistle.

Coaching staff may not have loved that. I would imagine he gets a fresh start in the 2nd half.

Pretty weak call anyway considering the defender was twisting his ankle like they were in the WWE

For real.

Lions fan here .. my coach would never “punish” a player for anything like that. Seems Mike over there is a bit of cupcake.

 

[bolzano]

I saw someone in one of these threads compare Charbonnet to James Conner, which is probably pretty apt. He might be JAG, but he’s smart, hardworking, and does everything the right way. So, the coaching staff is gonna be inclined to play him and Walker can’t give them an excuse by getting hurt, making poor reads/ decisions, etc.

 

[zed2283]

Always love to see my guys tap out after a big run to the red zone.

 

[SayWhat?]

He’s just really not very impressive other than in straight line if a hole is there. Pretty mediocre vision IMO and has essentially zero restart ability when he gets hung up on a blocker.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I’ll take 12 points, I guess. But between the Oline, the coaching and Charbs being as good as KWIII, I’m scouring the WW for depth. I got no confidence in him.

 

[FarFromHome]

FYI I'm Team Walker. He's just the more explosive rb of the two. What will ensure this is a committee for the foreseeable future is he has a handful of wtf runs each week. Instead of taking a 1 yard gain he turns it into a 4 yard loss. If it were 4th and 1, as a Team Walker guy, id trust Charbs to get the 1 more then him. Imo

 

[fatness]

FYI I'm Team Walker. He's just the more explosive rb of the two. What will ensure this is a committee for the foreseeable future is he has a handful of wtf runs each week. Instead of taking a 1 yard gain he turns it into a 4 yard loss.

He really needs to ditch his spin move. He usually loses yardage with it, turning a 2 yard loss into a 5 yard loss.

 

[Lansdowne]

Always love to see my guys tap out after a big run to the red zone.

I saw that too, that sucked.