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RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (2 Viewers)
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
So?
Dumb? Seems like MikeDonald knows there is a problem .. but, gonna stick with it? Weird.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I wasn't here for that, the only thing I'll say, the worst part of drafting walker in different leagues is I reached on Charbs as insurance. Usually a 3rd rounder and then I was nabbing Charbs in the 7th/8th. So it was a bad opportunity cost since both are healthy
I believe this is one of the rare, if only, instances where the general public knows more than the coach.
There are ZERO stats to support McDonalds claim. Walker is clearly better. It's not even close.
Chrabonnet is statistically one of the worst RB's in the NFL.
The discussion all off-season about Walker getting the majority of work is exactly what SHOULD be happening.
The only thing that matters, and it really is the important thing, is Seattle is winning with this formula. So it's not going to change.
There are ZERO stats to support McDonalds claim. Walker is clearly better. It's not even close.
Chrabonnet is statistically one of the worst RB's in the NFL.
The discussion all off-season about Walker getting the majority of work is exactly what SHOULD be happening.
The only thing that matters, and it really is the important thing, is Seattle is winning with this formula. So it's not going to change.
Everyone on here expected a split. Even me.
I did disagree with those who said Charbonnet was better and was winning over the staff and deserved the majority of work.
Charbonnet, himself, has proven those people wrong.
Except he's complained after almost every game this year about them not being able to run the ball effectively, clearly seems frustrated about it.
But I agree I don't think he plans to change his timeshare approach because despite the fact Walker has ran far more effectively I have noticed at least twice he's defended Charbs and feel like he's taken 1 to 2 shots at Walker's play. He's determined for Charbs and his role to be a big part of this offense. And he should have a big role, just not nearly as big IMO.
I've long said I think Walker is superior but I don't have A horse in this race, I got both horses, just wanted a winner, any of them. This is almost a perfectly anti-fantasy football timeshare/usage, like the only way you could designe a worse timeshare was if they involved a third RB.
One of the more ill-founded rumors I can recall. Would not give it a second thought.
Well then you really don’t want to get him “more” opportunities. We need straight shooters and not these corny answers.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Like a parent, the coaches love everyone the same in some instances.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
George Holani?
I mean, is this real life?
I mean, is this real life?
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I only know one thing for certain:
Walker > Charb
***Ducks head***
Walker > Charb
***Ducks head***
In Walker's 47 games played
1-5 carries - 6 games = 4.9 yards per carry
6-10 carries - 11 games = 4.4 yards per carry
11-15 carries - 8 games = 4.5 yards per carry
16+ carries - 22 games = 4.1 yards per carry
I know some may say small sample sizes, but that is his entire 4 year NFL career. Can't get any larger sample size.
And in games where Charbs has 16+ carries, he is averaging 4.8 yards per carry - it's only a 3 game sample though
You can't just give Walker points because Charbs "stole" from him. As you said, he's healthy, on a good team, and the lead back. He's played every game and is averaging 14 touches per game. But Charbs isn't going away without injury, and is averaging 13 touches per game. Even when Charbs missed week 3, Holani took his spot and got 12 touches to Walker's 17. I wouldn't consider that plenty of ceiling, especially when Walker only has 8 catches. In PPR leagues, he is currently RB26. If Charbs were to get injured, I do think Walker's touches with Holani as his running mate will go up a decent amount. Walker is RB24 in touches, and he's not going to be RB12 if that remains. The top 12 PPR RB's are all over 100 touches.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
You make a great argument to get Walker 5 more carries per game. An increase of 50% over the past couple of games.
He also needs more targets.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Charbonnet isn’t stealing anything. He takes on the heavy work in short yardage and goal line situations, which are carries that Walker is routinely unsuccessful at.
I'd consider taking that. Dowdle is fun now, but Hubbard will come back and then it's another RBBC. I'd rather have the full Seahawks headache than half of two.
The more interesting part of Kubiaks comments IMO was when he went on a spiel about Walker doing well in practice. That was strange to me, it's the kind of comments you usually hear for rookies, unproven players, etc,etc. Not what you typically hear about a 4 year starter.
It made me recall a training camp report were it sounded like Macdonald was getting a little frustrated with Walker not practicing while he and Kubiak were heaping praise on Charbs for his intelligence, work ethic and gave him the "does everything right" comment. That article was when I started to change my thinking and no longer wanted to draft Walker where he was going but started loading up on Charbs.
This is my guess why we are seeing this rotation/usage to this extreme. I just don't all think is this about trying to keep Walker fresh or healthy. Charbs just won them over in training camp and Walker lost them a little. And when I say them, I mainly mean Kubiak.
I think one of the most common mistake coaches make is falling in love with the player who "does it the right way" and playing them or giving them more ops over better players and I'm not saying that specific to this situation, it's something I've long believed. I personally think they'd have preferred Charbs ran away with the top job with his actual on field performance but instead he face planted while Walker has been excelling and all they've done is spend the better part of a few weeks trying to go with the better practice player instead of the better player.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
We’ve actually got people here who are convinced that they know more about evaluating and using NFL RBs than Kubiak. The lack of self awareness is astounding.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Someone has also posted this exact comment 287 times in the past 3 years. To answer your question we have legit internet NFL scouts on these boards. Ha ha
Harjiran
Footballguy
Seattle looks like a team that's built to go deep in the playoffs this year. Things seem to be clicking on both sides of the ball, barring injury - I don't see anything changing with Walker and Charbonnet as long as the team keeps winning and both backs stay healthy. In real life football, spreading the ball around between the two seems like a good way to achieve that. Sucks for fantasy though.
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
There's also people here that know what a run-on sentence is.
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Their's also peeple hear that no how to speel sentance.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
"touchie"
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
We've never lost a game, pal
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Monday morning QB coupled with fantasy and betting stakes. It was one thing when fans just questioned moves coaches made when they didn't work out. Now we've got people questioning how coaches are succeeding because it didn't help them win their fantasy matchup or prop bets
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yeah, I'll take the guy who just exploded for 500 yards from scrimmage in the last two weeks.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I find myself following the Walker/Charb threads b/c I am a fan of both players, each in their own. And everytime I do, I am grateful I ended up with neither this season. This headache is not going away as long as both are healthy.
And FTR, I agree that Walker cannot handle a full load and is better used in an RBBC if he is to stay upright for extended periods.
And FTR, I agree that Walker cannot handle a full load and is better used in an RBBC if he is to stay upright for extended periods.
Agreed, my reply needs tuning.
Walker is doing the heavy lifting but coach likes Charb near the GL probably because on the way K9 did some hard work and Charb's does appear to have that nose on inside the 10 runs.
So he's a sketchy *** RB2 and really a middling-flex depending on your league. Bye week, injuries, etc....he's at least useful so far.
Buuuuttt, well he's healthy, on a good team, the lead back, and has some ceiling. You're starting him in the Kamara/DMo range or so?
Very tough to watch all those good runs for 10-25 yards only to get lifted. You'd think they want to reward him somewhere along the way.
Gb puts Jacobs back in the game as much as they can when they get close and that' gotta be a hella energy boost. If I'm walker I'm asking my agent wtf.
As long as both Walker and Charbonnet are healthy, I would classify Walker as a decent flex and Charbs as a flex2 type, in a 12-team league. If Charbs goes down, Walker easily moves into decent RB2 status, but I don’t think he moves up to low RB1 status. I just don’t believe the staff wants to give him the volume required to be in the top 12.
He's my #3 RB, I play WR at Flex. I don't like it.
Never watched him much, got beat by him a few times rather unexpectedly so I drafted him (and Javonte Williams) near each other. What are they afraid of? He looks pretty solid on the field?
I agree he looks a lot better than Charbs. The touch split should favor Walker a decent amount more. It’s like watching CIN pull Chase Brown out for Perine way too much. The only difference is Perine is more of a breather, because he’s not getting touches.
