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good god man, how do you remember this! you must have the memory of an elephant.thanks for the palmer nod, that really helps. fred taylor is also on my league's WW, so i'm going to put in a request for him, dumping pittman. i also have addai, jones-drew and slaton as able bodied RB's and i'm hoping and praying that willie parker heals fast.
I'm not much of a predictor...What do you want to hear? You can't possibly bench him can you?Anything?Hey MOP, great post as always. I was just wondering what type of numbers you expect out of LT this week. I benched him in favor of Turner last week (we have multiple formations we can use with one of them being a single RB) because of the turf toe. This week I'm not too sure what to do. Turner has looked pretty good, obviously, but like you said he didn't look quite as good against TB, and I can see this week's game against Carolina being somewhat similar. My other options are JStew, who is pretty tempting, but who knows how many carries he'll get. Edge, who can't seem to ever find the end zone, or Ray Rice, who obviously won't be cracking my line-up. We don't have to use two RBs, which is fine with me because if I use one I can go with my three-headed WR monster which consists of Fitz/Marshall/Jennings. I'm leaning towards just using LT, but Turner and JStew are both quite tempting.Also, nice bold prediction with the Raiders upset.It's nice to see people go against the grain rather than make the easy picks.
Just wondering what kind of numbers you would expect out of him this week. I've followed these threads for a while now and definitely respect a lot of your views on the RBs.I'm not much of a predictor...What do you want to hear? You can't possibly bench him can you?Anything?Hey MOP, great post as always. I was just wondering what type of numbers you expect out of LT this week. I benched him in favor of Turner last week (we have multiple formations we can use with one of them being a single RB) because of the turf toe. This week I'm not too sure what to do. Turner has looked pretty good, obviously, but like you said he didn't look quite as good against TB, and I can see this week's game against Carolina being somewhat similar. My other options are JStew, who is pretty tempting, but who knows how many carries he'll get. Edge, who can't seem to ever find the end zone, or Ray Rice, who obviously won't be cracking my line-up. We don't have to use two RBs, which is fine with me because if I use one I can go with my three-headed WR monster which consists of Fitz/Marshall/Jennings. I'm leaning towards just using LT, but Turner and JStew are both quite tempting.Also, nice bold prediction with the Raiders upset.
Um, San Diego plays on natural grass, so that one's about as valid as the "not playing as well on the road" one. The reason that Turner was one of the most sought-after running backs not just last year but the year before when he signed the Charger's tender was his success behind LT and his obvious playmaking ability in the few opportunities he had--all displayed on real grass. As far as having a rookie QB I think yes, it means more teams will stack the box until Ryan shows he can beat them, but Ryan has been decent so far.Sweet sidestep.
All his games in SD were on natural grass - he did pretty o.k. there.
didn't see that. no disrespect, just adding something that I thought was useful. look forward to this thread every week.
Um, San Diego plays on natural grass, so that one's about as valid as the "not playing as well on the road" one. The reason that Turner was one of the most sought-after running backs not just last year but the year before when he signed the Charger's tender was his success behind LT and his obvious playmaking ability in the few opportunities he had--all displayed on real grass. As far as having a rookie QB I think yes, it means more teams will stack the box until Ryan shows he can beat them, but Ryan has been decent so far.Sweet sidestep.
There's a line between selling high where a guy has put up a couple games that are aberrations and letting a workhorse back with fresh legs go because he's outperforming his ADP. The beauty of Turner this year was that you could get him lower than he should probably have gone because of his lack of history and the questions about Atlanta. I don't expect 220 and 2 TDs every week, but I also don't think there are a lot of backs that I could get for him that I'd rather have.
Are you the only one that gets a vote?But really would either one of you like to take a guess on his production over the next 5 games? I was not saying sell high in dynasty, but in redraft leagues I bet 5 weeks from now that Turner is worth a lot less once people see that he can be stopped by stacking the box...Matt Ryan simply is not going to produce against tough defenses, especially on the road in hostile settings...Tampa is a brutal place to try and come in and win so perhaps he is going to play better in some of the other venues, but the defenses are all pretty tough and you put that in a big bowl, mix it up, and I come up with a RB that is certainly at a possible high in redraft leagues.Um, San Diego plays on natural grass, so that one's about as valid as the "not playing as well on the road" one. The reason that Turner was one of the most sought-after running backs not just last year but the year before when he signed the Charger's tender was his success behind LT and his obvious playmaking ability in the few opportunities he had--all displayed on real grass. As far as having a rookie QB I think yes, it means more teams will stack the box until Ryan shows he can beat them, but Ryan has been decent so far.Sweet sidestep.
There's a line between selling high where a guy has put up a couple games that are aberrations and letting a workhorse back with fresh legs go because he's outperforming his ADP. The beauty of Turner this year was that you could get him lower than he should probably have gone because of his lack of history and the questions about Atlanta. I don't expect 220 and 2 TDs every week, but I also don't think there are a lot of backs that I could get for him that I'd rather have.
To add to this debate, what weight would you factor in to the equation that the game is in Chicago in prime time? Home crowd pumped = team pumped for a good showing. As far as past game comparisons, the take on Barber is solid, but I think it is clear that SJax has less to work with than Forte at this point, PLUS, that was a Philly home game (home opener, to boot). I agree that, in a ideal situation, Forte should be considered only as a flex. But, for some, he may be the best option in that space.Maybe I am just trying to justify playing him to myself
But, to me, its clear Lovie is going to do what he can to get the ball in Forte's hands. What better way to try and call off the dogs than some nice screens?
not me, I'm starting him as my flex. No way the Titans can run LenDale up the middle against the Vikings, and no way they can abandon the run. I see 15-18 carries for CJ3 and a decent # of pass targets as well. At least I hope so.
I have several players that i would want to update at this point...Arizona/NY Jets: Basically it looks like there will be some very bad weather including a lot of rain, maybe some gusty wind, doesn't look like a QB fest at all. I have to think Edge will get a lot of carries and maybe now Hightower is wroth a look with bye weeks going on...we have 6 teams off, I personally have 11 players on bye weeks in one of my dyansty leagues...likely to be a lot of running in this game. Houston/Jax: I read where Ahman Green did practice is could be playing this week. If that is true, I still doubt he will get more than 10-15 touches, so the wrost case scenario for Slaton owners would be maybe 15 touches...give or take a few. I still think MJD is a must play this week...can't see how you would bench this guy. Minnesota/Tennessee: LenDale White will have no room to run up the middle. I can't see either TN RB putting up big numbers but Flash should have the better day based on the fact he'll likely get the ball OOTB some. SD/OAK: Michael Bush is deinitely becoming a sneaky play. If McFadden were to be out tomorrow or even highly limited, we could be looking at a 25-30 touch performance for Michael Bush.
Yes, I'm a Jets fan, but an objective one. You DID indicate that the Jets run D was less than solid, and that was a bias carry-over from last year. If Jenkins plays, The Jets run D is tough to run on... that's a fact. pace is also a pretty good run stopper. You might think it is zeroing in one one comment, but this is about how an RB will perform against a run defense... that comment is not to be taken lightly. It's THE crucial thing about whether or not Edge has a decent week. If Jenkins is healthy, bench Edge for Bush, or any other marginal starter. If you watched the first 3 games, Jenkins gets double teamed on almost every running play, and still disrupts the play. With him out, Pouha gets single teamed and run down the field. I'd suggest you check on Jenkins EVERY week when doing this thread on RB's going against the Jets. He by HIMSELF knocks the YPC down a yard per game.Miami in week 1? Team had no clue yet what to do with Ricky and Ronnie, but whatever. NE was able to move the ball despite the low ypc, and San Diego??? Did you watch the game? LT scored twice, the Jets were blown out, and Sproles looked good in short bursts as well. Let me make a better analogy...the Steelers were rolling along and I have been screaming to people that their OL is just not that good. Now we see they beat up on 2 teams that a re a combined 0-5, put them up against a good team in Philly and we see what they relly are, or might be.
I didn't green light Edge, but based on the fact you have NY in your login tells me you are a Jetsfan and for whatever reason you zero'd in on 1 comment out of that entire OP I put up. It's cool, but I think you're making sometihng out of nothing really. Maybe my view will change but I don't see the Jets as a great team of anything right now. And they held Miami to 49 yds in week 1 but now they are avg 80+ a game...means the teams since then have pushed that avg up, not down or even held it at the same. 107,a nd 104 in back to back weeks isn't anything to be excited about...unless you're a Jetsfan i guess...
Good Luck this weekend, don't be a stranger.
Mop's weekly threads are great! BUT... when one sets themselves up as an authority, and gets some things less than completely accurate, there will be critisism. Comes with the territory and sticking one's neck out the way MoP does. Mentioning the AZ cross country trips when they stayed on the east coast... well, it was an oversight that should not have been made if one is to do a thread like this. Likewise, the comments about the Jets run D with or without Jenkins. Some of Mop's thoughts on Turner were less than consice and accurate. I appreciate the work he puts into these threads, but if one sticks their neck out and gets some things wrong, there is an always an ax in the air. Along with the thanks and desreved kudos, there will alway be critisisms... it goes with the territory. I don't see anyone crying here.. maybe some less than tactful critisisms, but "ignorant feed back from the trolls who have a hard on..."? That was the least tactful post in the whole thread. Might want to take some of your own advice...
Unfortunately my post is 100% correct and is definitely not the least tactful in this thread. I admit my post was a little blunt. However, all the recipients that the message was intended for will undoubtedly get the hint(whether they follow through or not remains to be seen), but if you aren't one of these posters you shouldn't feel offended at all.
How long has Jenkins been with the Jets? You make it sound like he has put in Joe Klecko years for the Jets...this is his 1st season with the Jets, yes/no? This is the same Jenkins from Carolina, yes/no? I think I am pretty familiar with him, but you make it sound like an absolute that if he plays that it's lights out. Not sure I agree 100% with that.Yes, I'm a Jets fan, but an objective one. You DID indicate that the Jets run D was less than solid, and that was a bias carry-over from last year. If Jenkins plays, The Jets run D is tough to run on... that's a fact. pace is also a pretty good run stopper. You might think it is zeroing in one one comment, but this is about how an RB will perform against a run defense... that comment is not to be taken lightly. It's THE crucial thing about whether or not Edge has a decent week. If Jenkins is healthy, bench Edge for Bush, or any other marginal starter. If you watched the first 3 games, Jenkins gets double teamed on almost every running play, and still disrupts the play. With him out, Pouha gets single teamed and run down the field. I'd suggest you check on Jenkins EVERY week when doing this thread on RB's going against the Jets. He by HIMSELF knocks the YPC down a yard per game.Miami in week 1? Team had no clue yet what to do with Ricky and Ronnie, but whatever. NE was able to move the ball despite the low ypc, and San Diego??? Did you watch the game? LT scored twice, the Jets were blown out, and Sproles looked good in short bursts as well. Let me make a better analogy...the Steelers were rolling along and I have been screaming to people that their OL is just not that good. Now we see they beat up on 2 teams that a re a combined 0-5, put them up against a good team in Philly and we see what they relly are, or might be.
I didn't green light Edge, but based on the fact you have NY in your login tells me you are a Jetsfan and for whatever reason you zero'd in on 1 comment out of that entire OP I put up. It's cool, but I think you're making sometihng out of nothing really. Maybe my view will change but I don't see the Jets as a great team of anything right now. And they held Miami to 49 yds in week 1 but now they are avg 80+ a game...means the teams since then have pushed that avg up, not down or even held it at the same. 107,a nd 104 in back to back weeks isn't anything to be excited about...unless you're a Jetsfan i guess...
Good Luck this weekend, don't be a stranger.
Without Jenkins, the Jets run D is soft. If he is healthy and playing, the Jets run D is very tough. Period.
I have never proclaimed myself as an expert...I am just someone that loves to talk and analyze professional football...this board is simply a means for me to get those thoughts down on paper sort of speak. But an expert? Not me...I do these threads to get feedback from everyone and many times it ends up swaying my opinions or my actual line ups that week in my leagues. And what is all this talk about axes...yeesh
I know a few people made this call, but I hope it saved a few people from a sleepless night yesterday. He was extra motivated by playing against ADP.
Nice call, a lot of people were expecting a good week from him.
