Rebuilding a Dynasty team (1 Viewer)

[Genedoc]

I used to be good at fantasy baseball. Scratch that...I used to dominate an NL only fantasy league. Then 5 years ago, we decided to make it a full on dynasty league - 40 man rosters, minor league rosters, the whole 9 yards. We had an entry draft I felt like I did very well in - got guys like Berkman, Chipper, and Tex in their primes along with uber prospects Delmon Young and Alex Gordon. I also made a few trades over the years that worked decidedly in my favor - getting prospect Cole Hamels for Roger Clemens down the stretch and the coup de grace - getting Jose Reyes the year before he broke out for next to nothing.

All of that said, my team has royally sucked. Embarrassing. Every year I look at the roster and think I'll compete, and every year I get destroyed. I clearly am missing something regarding the ML universe format, and I'd like some help ending the string of sucking. I've got some good young talent and the #1 pick in a non-snaking draft, so I've got tools to work with.

The pay will be nothing - this isn't a $ league - other than my gratitude and the recognition on the board as an all around good guy an ace fantasy GM. Let me know if you'd like to help with the rebuilding project.

 

[Genedoc]

Couple of other things:

1) I was mistaken - there is a little bit of money at stake. Not much $100-$150 or so max. Assistant GM would get all of this, pay no league fees. I don't care about the money, I just want to get back into the top of this league and figure out where I've been sucking over the last few years.

2) If there's any interest whatsoever, I and my as yet unnamed assistant GM will chronicle the rebuilding here.

 

[hedzookeeper]

Can we see your roster and League scoring?

 

[John Bender]

Check your PMs

 

[Genedoc]

Can we see your roster and League scoring?

Sure. Scoring

League scoring is pretty typical roto format, not H2H. 5x5 - W, S, K, WHIP, ERA x OBP, HR, R, RBI, SB

Some Rules/Lineup details

40 man roster - 30 Major League, 10 minor league. 30 Keepers each year with a 10 round, non-snaking draft. Minor league eligible up to 75 MLB innings pitched/300MLB ABs; Major League eligible if ever played a game in MLB Last year's draft class - i.e. Strasburg et al - are the cornerstones of the redraft each year.

Players listed as minor league below were minor league eligible last year, not necessarily this year. Some will be minor eligible again, others will have to be on the major league roster to start this season.

Starting Positions - C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, MI, CI, OF, OF, OF, OF, UTIL, SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, RP, P, P, 8 bench spots.

My Current Roster

Major Leaguers

Rodriguez, Ivan C WAS

Berkman, Lance 1B HOU

Cano, Robinson 2B NYY

Jones, Chipper 3B ATL

Reyes, Jose B. SS NYM

Lopez, Jose 2B SEA

Gordon, Alex 3B KC

Bourn, Michael CF HOU

Cust, Jack LF OAK

Pence, Hunter RF HOU

Young, Delmon LF MIN

Teixeira, Mark 1B NYY

Hamels, Cole SP PHI

Johnson, Randy SP SF

Lincecum, Tim SP SF

Myers, Brett SP PHI

Webb, Brandon SP ARI

Young, Chris R. SP SD

Corpas, Manny RP COL

Dotel, Octavio RP CHW

Franklin, Ryan RP STL

Lindstrom, Matt RP HOU

Posada, Jorge C NYY

Lopez, Felipe 2B MIL

Fields, Josh D. 3B KC

Halman, Greg OF SEA

Saunders, Michael LF SEA

McCarthy, Brandon SP TEX

Miller, Andrew SP FLA

Petit, Yusmeiro SP SEA

Minor Leaguers

Teagarden, Taylor C TEX

Freeman, Freddie 1B ATL

Anderson, Brett SP OAK

Cahill, Trevor SP OAK

Davis, Wade SP TB

Hellickson, Jeremy SP TB

Matusz, Brian SP BAL

Poreda, Aaron RP SD

De Los Santos, Fautino RP OAK

Devine, Joey RP OAK

 

[John Bender]

Gene

Daily Lineups? or Weekly? That seriously affects what I'd do with your wealth of pitching.

How many teams in the league? 12?

Also, it's tough because I don't know which minor leaguers are going to be available in your draft. I think you have a few on your list that might be worth replacing. Who is available in this draft? Both minor leaguers and dropped major leaguers?

You've definitely got some aging talent.

Here's my first few thoughts based on not knowing anything other than what you posted.

1. See if you can find a buyer for Jose Reyes. You obviously would be selling low, but you can paint the pitcher that he had an injury riddled 2009 and remind folks that he was drafted as a top 3 player coming into 2009. Any GM's that are into high risk high reward, might be interested. I would get whatever you can for him insomuch as a replacement SS. I'm not saying you take Scutaro for him straight up, but he is your best chance at dealing a big name to help you rebuild this squad.

2. I'd hang on to Cano, Berkman and Teix. Berk is getting older but he still has another 3-4 solid years left in him. I think Teix and Cano can be the cornerstones of your squad. I wouldn't consider trading them unless you get an unbelievable offer.

3. Jose Lopez might ascend, keep an eye on him. Don't sell him low.

4. If you have to clear some roster space, I'd have no problem dropping the following players (assuming this is a 12 team league): Dotel, Saunders, Petit, Halman, and possibly Lopez (given that you're loaded at 2B). Maybe you can deal Felipe - 2B is not deep coming into 2010. See if there's an opportunity to pick up a saves guy like Kerry Wood for him.

5. Minor leaguers I like as far as arms. Anderson will break out in 2010 (and should be called up based on your rules), Cahill could as well. I think Wade Davis starts the year in the rotation and will be have an era and whip around 4.80 and 1.45 or so. I'm hoping he can be better than that. Matusz is ready and should be given a shot to start the season on the major league roster.

The reason I ask if this is daily or weekly lineups and if there's an IP limit is because with the amount of pitchers you have, I might consider dealing one of your aces for a bat and working with me through the season on streaming some pitchers. I won both of my leagues last year employing a small portion of this strategy.

I don't know. You have a lot to work with. We can hammer this out.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'd drop Randy Johnson.

 

[Genedoc]

GeneDaily Lineups? or Weekly? That seriously affects what I'd do with your wealth of pitching. How many teams in the league? 12?Also, it's tough because I don't know which minor leaguers are going to be available in your draft. I think you have a few on your list that might be worth replacing. Who is available in this draft? Both minor leaguers and dropped major leaguers?You've definitely got some aging talent.Here's my first few thoughts based on not knowing anything other than what you posted.1. See if you can find a buyer for Jose Reyes. You obviously would be selling low, but you can paint the pitcher that he had an injury riddled 2009 and remind folks that he was drafted as a top 3 player coming into 2009. Any GM's that are into high risk high reward, might be interested. I would get whatever you can for him insomuch as a replacement SS. I'm not saying you take Scutaro for him straight up, but he is your best chance at dealing a big name to help you rebuild this squad.2. I'd hang on to Cano, Berkman and Teix. Berk is getting older but he still has another 3-4 solid years left in him. I think Teix and Cano can be the cornerstones of your squad. I wouldn't consider trading them unless you get an unbelievable offer.3. Jose Lopez might ascend, keep an eye on him. Don't sell him low.4. If you have to clear some roster space, I'd have no problem dropping the following players (assuming this is a 12 team league): Dotel, Saunders, Petit, Halman, and possibly Lopez (given that you're loaded at 2B). Maybe you can deal Felipe - 2B is not deep coming into 2010. See if there's an opportunity to pick up a saves guy like Kerry Wood for him.5. Minor leaguers I like as far as arms. Anderson will break out in 2010 (and should be called up based on your rules), Cahill could as well. I think Wade Davis starts the year in the rotation and will be have an era and whip around 4.80 and 1.45 or so. I'm hoping he can be better than that. Matusz is ready and should be given a shot to start the season on the major league roster.The reason I ask if this is daily or weekly lineups and if there's an IP limit is because with the amount of pitchers you have, I might consider dealing one of your aces for a bat and working with me through the season on streaming some pitchers. I won both of my leagues last year employing a small portion of this strategy.I don't know. You have a lot to work with. We can hammer this out.

Thanks. Answers to some questions - 12 team league, daily roster adjustments, 1600 IP total and 162 games played/position. Guys that are eligible for this year's draft will be major leaguers who weren't kept - scrubs, basically, and minor leaguers not kept - late bloomers, new comers, and most notably, the 2009 draft class, Strasburg included. So even with my wealth of pitching depth, Strasburg would likely be the #1 pick. I'll give you the login to the CBS site if you want to view the whole league. I was thinking of moving an arm for a bat already - as you can see, my most obvious weakness is OF thanks to Delmon going belly up and Berkmann no longer being OF eligible.

 

[hedzookeeper]

GeneDaily Lineups? or Weekly? That seriously affects what I'd do with your wealth of pitching. How many teams in the league? 12?Also, it's tough because I don't know which minor leaguers are going to be available in your draft. I think you have a few on your list that might be worth replacing. Who is available in this draft? Both minor leaguers and dropped major leaguers?You've definitely got some aging talent.Here's my first few thoughts based on not knowing anything other than what you posted.1. See if you can find a buyer for Jose Reyes. You obviously would be selling low, but you can paint the pitcher that he had an injury riddled 2009 and remind folks that he was drafted as a top 3 player coming into 2009. Any GM's that are into high risk high reward, might be interested. I would get whatever you can for him insomuch as a replacement SS. I'm not saying you take Scutaro for him straight up, but he is your best chance at dealing a big name to help you rebuild this squad.2. I'd hang on to Cano, Berkman and Teix. Berk is getting older but he still has another 3-4 solid years left in him. I think Teix and Cano can be the cornerstones of your squad. I wouldn't consider trading them unless you get an unbelievable offer.3. Jose Lopez might ascend, keep an eye on him. Don't sell him low.4. If you have to clear some roster space, I'd have no problem dropping the following players (assuming this is a 12 team league): Dotel, Saunders, Petit, Halman, and possibly Lopez (given that you're loaded at 2B). Maybe you can deal Felipe - 2B is not deep coming into 2010. See if there's an opportunity to pick up a saves guy like Kerry Wood for him.5. Minor leaguers I like as far as arms. Anderson will break out in 2010 (and should be called up based on your rules), Cahill could as well. I think Wade Davis starts the year in the rotation and will be have an era and whip around 4.80 and 1.45 or so. I'm hoping he can be better than that. Matusz is ready and should be given a shot to start the season on the major league roster.The reason I ask if this is daily or weekly lineups and if there's an IP limit is because with the amount of pitchers you have, I might consider dealing one of your aces for a bat and working with me through the season on streaming some pitchers. I won both of my leagues last year employing a small portion of this strategy.I don't know. You have a lot to work with. We can hammer this out.

Thinking along the same lines.Good luck and it looks like a good challenge and the team can only get better....

 

[Genedoc]

Gene

Daily Lineups? or Weekly? That seriously affects what I'd do with your wealth of pitching.

How many teams in the league? 12?

Also, it's tough because I don't know which minor leaguers are going to be available in your draft. I think you have a few on your list that might be worth replacing. Who is available in this draft? Both minor leaguers and dropped major leaguers?

You've definitely got some aging talent.

Here's my first few thoughts based on not knowing anything other than what you posted.

1. See if you can find a buyer for Jose Reyes. You obviously would be selling low, but you can paint the pitcher that he had an injury riddled 2009 and remind folks that he was drafted as a top 3 player coming into 2009. Any GM's that are into high risk high reward, might be interested. I would get whatever you can for him insomuch as a replacement SS. I'm not saying you take Scutaro for him straight up, but he is your best chance at dealing a big name to help you rebuild this squad.

2. I'd hang on to Cano, Berkman and Teix. Berk is getting older but he still has another 3-4 solid years left in him. I think Teix and Cano can be the cornerstones of your squad. I wouldn't consider trading them unless you get an unbelievable offer.

3. Jose Lopez might ascend, keep an eye on him. Don't sell him low.

4. If you have to clear some roster space, I'd have no problem dropping the following players (assuming this is a 12 team league): Dotel, Saunders, Petit, Halman, and possibly Lopez (given that you're loaded at 2B). Maybe you can deal Felipe - 2B is not deep coming into 2010. See if there's an opportunity to pick up a saves guy like Kerry Wood for him.

5. Minor leaguers I like as far as arms. Anderson will break out in 2010 (and should be called up based on your rules), Cahill could as well. I think Wade Davis starts the year in the rotation and will be have an era and whip around 4.80 and 1.45 or so. I'm hoping he can be better than that. Matusz is ready and should be given a shot to start the season on the major league roster.

The reason I ask if this is daily or weekly lineups and if there's an IP limit is because with the amount of pitchers you have, I might consider dealing one of your aces for a bat and working with me through the season on streaming some pitchers. I won both of my leagues last year employing a small portion of this strategy.

I don't know. You have a lot to work with. We can hammer this out.

Thinking along the same lines.

Good luck and it looks like a good challenge and the team can only get better....

Update - Team still sucking along, and I'm having an impossible time trading. I made it known I'd trade Strasburg and/or Lincecum for fair market value. Best two offers I've received? Corey Hart + Ted Lilly, and Marlon Byrd + Jeff Neimann. Current roster

Active Hitters

Posada

Tex

Cano

Jose Reyes

Scott Rolen

Jose Lopez

Lance Berkman

Michael Bourn

Rajai Davis

Hunter Pence

Delmon Young

Brennan Boesch

Chipper Jones

Active Pitchers

Lincecum

Strasburg

Cahill

Hamels

Brett Myers

Octavio Dotel

Ryan Franklin

Matt Lindstrom

John Rauch

Matt Thornton

Matt Guerrier

Bench

Brett Anderson

Brian Matusz

Wade Davis

Jhoulys Chacin

Brandon Webb

Alex Gordon

Minor League Roster

Teagarden, Taylor C TEX

Freeman, Freddie 1B ATL

Gordon, Dee SS LA

Hellickson, Jeremy SP TB

Poreda, Aaron RP SD

Castro, Simon SP SD

Friedrich, Christian SP COL

Lyles, Jordan, SP HOU

I've received nothing approaching a reasonable offer for Lincecum/Strasburg. The best offer I've received for a closer has been Angel Pagan and a 5th round pick next year for Lidstrom.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.

I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.

If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.

I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.

There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.

I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

 

[Genedoc]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.

From your mouth to God's ears. I've been deluged with idiotic offers, and I'm not budging. I'll either get market value, or they'll be the cornerstones of my pitching staff, which is obviously the strength of my team.

I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.

I've been aggressively marketing Chipper/Rolen, and I've gotten no takers. Good thoughts re: Posada/Berkman/Davis/Bourn

I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.

No. We have 10 man minor league rosters and 12 teams in the league, plus you can stash minor leaguers on your major league roster if you're willing to forfeit the roster spot. I only have 8 currently because I called up Strasburg and Boesch. There are literally no minor league eligible players available to pick up.

I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

Good thoughts...I actually think my core is reasonably solid, it just way too pitching heavy, and I'm having a helluva time getting value for pitchers in trades.

 

[MAC_32]

I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.

No. We have 10 man minor league rosters and 12 teams in the league, plus you can stash minor leaguers on your major league roster if you're willing to forfeit the roster spot. I only have 8 currently because I called up Strasburg and Boesch. There are literally no minor league eligible players available to pick up.

I'm in a league with a similar but slightly deeper setup - 12 teams, 10 minor leaguers, 40 major leaguers, 25 keepers + minor leaguers. Teagarden was drafted in round 46, was dropped in May, and is still a free agent...this is also a 2 C laeague. I don't know what your wire looks like, but there's a better dart throw available than him, I'm sure. No idea if they're available but some minor leaguers I've found on my wire in-season have been Chad Tracy (Tex), Mark Trumbo (LAA), Kila Ka-haiue (KC), and Hector Giminiez (PIT). Tracy will get the next call if Chris Davis flounders (again), Trumbo isn't ready but if the Angels fall out of the race he may get a look in September, Ka'hauie needs a new team, and Giminiez needs some luck to get AB's (because the Pirates catcher for the future isn't ready yet but will be sooner rather than later) but he's been mashing this season. Just some names, I'm sure there's more, I just haven't done much digging in-season...probably should because I see others pick players up, then I'll google them, and start kicking myself for not getting them sooner.

I actually think my core is reasonably solid, it just way too pitching heavy, and I'm having a helluva time getting value for pitchers in trades.

Normal for this time of year, the good teams usually have good pitching and the bad teams don't want to trade for it. Your only real shot at dealing any arms for decent value would probably be closers. This offseason will be a better time to work some trades for your starters.I'm very surprised there's no market for Chipper and Rolen, they're short term fixes only but I'd be surprised if there isn't a team in the race that's struggling at 3B/CI.

 

[Genedoc]

I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.

No. We have 10 man minor league rosters and 12 teams in the league, plus you can stash minor leaguers on your major league roster if you're willing to forfeit the roster spot. I only have 8 currently because I called up Strasburg and Boesch. There are literally no minor league eligible players available to pick up.

I'm in a league with a similar but slightly deeper setup - 12 teams, 10 minor leaguers, 40 major leaguers, 25 keepers + minor leaguers. Teagarden was drafted in round 46, was dropped in May, and is still a free agent...this is also a 2 C laeague. I don't know what your wire looks like, but there's a better dart throw available than him, I'm sure. No idea if they're available but some minor leaguers I've found on my wire in-season have been Chad Tracy (Tex), Mark Trumbo (LAA), Kila Ka-haiue (KC), and Hector Giminiez (PIT). Tracy will get the next call if Chris Davis flounders (again), Trumbo isn't ready but if the Angels fall out of the race he may get a look in September, Ka'hauie needs a new team, and Giminiez needs some luck to get AB's (because the Pirates catcher for the future isn't ready yet but will be sooner rather than later) but he's been mashing this season. Just some names, I'm sure there's more, I just haven't done much digging in-season...probably should because I see others pick players up, then I'll google them, and start kicking myself for not getting them sooner.

I actually think my core is reasonably solid, it just way too pitching heavy, and I'm having a helluva time getting value for pitchers in trades.

Normal for this time of year, the good teams usually have good pitching and the bad teams don't want to trade for it. Your only real shot at dealing any arms for decent value would probably be closers. This offseason will be a better time to work some trades for your starters.I'm very surprised there's no market for Chipper and Rolen, they're short term fixes only but I'd be surprised if there isn't a team in the race that's struggling at 3B/CI.

One rule issue - we cannot add minor league players during the season that haven't played in an MLB game. You can draft them during the pre-season draft and claim them off of waivers if someone drops them, but I cannot pick guys like Trumbo and Tracy. That's what I meant when I said there were no minor league eligible players available to pick up. Still, thanks for the input, and I'll make it a point to 86 Teagarden. I've been stunned at the lack of response for Chipper/Rolen, too. And unfortunately, the top 4 teams all have good C's (Posey, Weiters, Martin, Mauer), so unless one of them gets hurt, there's not going to be much of a market for Jorge. I've sent out some emails looking to move speed/saves, thought.

 

[dparker713]

I've received nothing approaching a reasonable offer for Lincecum/Strasburg. The best offer I've received for a closer has been Angel Pagan and a 5th round pick next year for Lidstrom.

Is there FAAB, waivers, first come first served?Though I'd rather keep Lindstrom than your other closers because of his age and inhouse competition, I make that deal for Pagan. He's in his prime and posting a really good season.Im guessing the 5th round pick next year is largely a throw away, but its better than nothing. Sure, I'd try to tweak the deal, change the closer you give or the draft pick you get, but Pagan instantly slots into your starting lineup even if his PT is somewhat decreased (though it wont be much). Also, with such a low innings total, you really need to be mindful of how effective each pitcher inning is. You're going to have to devote anywhere from 180-240 innings per year to closers off the top to be competitive, leaving a scant 1400 innings or so for starting pitching/middle relief. Given the low limit, you should really look into using some dominant middle relief guys with high k/9. Typically, you wont want to start the year with any, as their performance year to year is too volatile, but a month into the season you could put 4 or so in your starting lineup and eat up another 200 innings with good ratios and K rates. I would avoid starting medicore starters if at all possible, yes this may hurt in the wins column, but the points earned in ERA, WHIP and Ks should make up for it, plus if your MR vulture a few wins each you'll be ok in Ws. As for restocking the roster for next year, I think you should look to move Tex. His reputation is still good and he's got a monster lineup, but 1st is incredibly deep, so you can target someone's current starter and not get a large drop off and also try to acquire an OF upgrade or two at the same time. You should look to go young, but with some work this roster could be close next season. For that reason I wouldn't look to draft Bryce Harper in the first next year - his timetable is too far in the future, maybe target Drew Pomeranz.Finally, if everyone is undervaluing pitching, maybe go against the grain. Acquire young studs like Josh Johnson, Mat Latos and the like.

 

[Genedoc]

Most recent offer is "one of the Oakland duo" (Cahill or Brett Anderson) for Grady Sizemore.

 

[dparker713]

Most recent offer is "one of the Oakland duo" (Cahill or Brett Anderson) for Grady Sizemore.

No issue shopping Cahill, he's playing over his head by a wide margin, but Sizemore? He's pretty crappy.

 

[MAC_32]

Most recent offer is "one of the Oakland duo" (Cahill or Brett Anderson) for Grady Sizemore.

Send Cahill packing, I don't think he has what it takes to be a top 15 pitcher, at least not for more than a season. I don't think you'll have trouble replacing him.Grady's been hurt the last two years, but he's still just 28, and has produced elite seasons before. He may never be the same, but he's the type of risk a bad team needs to take on to try and get back into contention imho.

 

[boom king]

do that trade. sizemore has rd1 potential, while cahill's can be picked off waivers every year...

 

[dparker713]

Also, another thing to consider is that in a redraft 12 team league you win with stars. Replacement level is pretty high. However, while you'll still need your stars in this league to win, you'll also need considerable depth. Your bench should hopefully be your replacement pool as most of the players that would generally be available in a 12 team league will be on someone's bench. For this reason, you should also be mindful of making trades for guys that are just going to sit on your bench. Yes, Cano is the best 2B out there and should be a stud for years to come, but you should hopefully have a potential injury replacement in your system somewhere. So don't just focus on upgrading your starters.

 

[Genedoc]

Moved Rolen and Lindstrom for Angel Pagan, Chris Carter, and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. Nothing earth shattering, but Pagan gives me a serviceable OF, Carter has power potential, and a draft pick next year helps. Still going back/forth on Cahill for Sizemore. Hopefully getting this deal on the books will illustrate to people that I'm willing to make now for future deals.

 

[dparker713]

Moved Rolen and Lindstrom for Angel Pagan, Chris Carter, and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. Nothing earth shattering, but Pagan gives me a serviceable OF, Carter has power potential, and a draft pick next year helps. Still going back/forth on Cahill for Sizemore. Hopefully getting this deal on the books will illustrate to people that I'm willing to make now for future deals.

Dont particularly like the trade of Rolen. He's certainly a keeper at this point and you have no one on your roster to play 3B next year if Chipper retires as speculated. Carter is a really good prospect, and if you're planning on competiting again in 2-3 years, he can be a keystone, but he's not a good fit for your team next year. Though if thats you're timeframe, he's a possible fill in if you trade Tex.

 

[MAC_32]

Moved Rolen and Lindstrom for Angel Pagan, Chris Carter, and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. Nothing earth shattering, but Pagan gives me a serviceable OF, Carter has power potential, and a draft pick next year helps. Still going back/forth on Cahill for Sizemore. Hopefully getting this deal on the books will illustrate to people that I'm willing to make now for future deals.

Dont particularly like the trade of Rolen. He's certainly a keeper at this point and you have no one on your roster to play 3B next year if Chipper retires as speculated. Carter is a really good prospect, and if you're planning on competiting again in 2-3 years, he can be a keystone, but he's not a good fit for your team next year. Though if thats you're timeframe, he's a possible fill in if you trade Tex.

Rolen's not a good piece for a team in rebuild mode, Carter is. Rolen may keep this up for more than just this year but I wouldn't make that bet, there's a reason he had been forgotten about before this season - he can't stay healthy. Rolen's a great piece for a team making a push this year, but whoever's making that deal shouldn't plan on anymore than that from him.

 

[Genedoc]

Moved Rolen and Lindstrom for Angel Pagan, Chris Carter, and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. Nothing earth shattering, but Pagan gives me a serviceable OF, Carter has power potential, and a draft pick next year helps. Still going back/forth on Cahill for Sizemore. Hopefully getting this deal on the books will illustrate to people that I'm willing to make now for future deals.

Dont particularly like the trade of Rolen. He's certainly a keeper at this point and you have no one on your roster to play 3B next year if Chipper retires as speculated. Carter is a really good prospect, and if you're planning on competiting again in 2-3 years, he can be a keystone, but he's not a good fit for your team next year. Though if thats you're timeframe, he's a possible fill in if you trade Tex.

Rolen's not a good piece for a team in rebuild mode, Carter is. Rolen may keep this up for more than just this year but I wouldn't make that bet, there's a reason he had been forgotten about before this season - he can't stay healthy. Rolen's a great piece for a team making a push this year, but whoever's making that deal shouldn't plan on anymore than that from him.

Yeah, this was my thinking. I picked up Rolen off the waiver wire earlier this season, so I got a high end prospect and a first half of the draft pick for a free agent pick up and a middle of the road closer. And I've been shopping Chipper/Rolen for nearly a month and this is the best offer I've gotten. I don't think either of us robbed the other here - I think it's a reasonable, fair market deal for a guy as old and fragile but currently productive as Rolen. Rolen would have to play 2-3 more years at the current level for me to really "lose" this trade.

 

[PIK95]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

Did you ever get your assistant GM?

 

[Genedoc]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

Did you ever get your assistant GM?

This thread is basically my assistant GM.

 

[dparker713]

Moved Rolen and Lindstrom for Angel Pagan, Chris Carter, and a 3rd round pick in next year's draft. Nothing earth shattering, but Pagan gives me a serviceable OF, Carter has power potential, and a draft pick next year helps. Still going back/forth on Cahill for Sizemore. Hopefully getting this deal on the books will illustrate to people that I'm willing to make now for future deals.

Dont particularly like the trade of Rolen. He's certainly a keeper at this point and you have no one on your roster to play 3B next year if Chipper retires as speculated. Carter is a really good prospect, and if you're planning on competiting again in 2-3 years, he can be a keystone, but he's not a good fit for your team next year. Though if thats you're timeframe, he's a possible fill in if you trade Tex.

Rolen's not a good piece for a team in rebuild mode, Carter is. Rolen may keep this up for more than just this year but I wouldn't make that bet, there's a reason he had been forgotten about before this season - he can't stay healthy. Rolen's a great piece for a team making a push this year, but whoever's making that deal shouldn't plan on anymore than that from him.

Yeah, this was my thinking. I picked up Rolen off the waiver wire earlier this season, so I got a high end prospect and a first half of the draft pick for a free agent pick up and a middle of the road closer. And I've been shopping Chipper/Rolen for nearly a month and this is the best offer I've gotten. I don't think either of us robbed the other here - I think it's a reasonable, fair market deal for a guy as old and fragile but currently productive as Rolen. Rolen would have to play 2-3 more years at the current level for me to really "lose" this trade.

Again, if you're trying to build for 2-3 years down the line, then I have no problems with the trade. If however, you're trying to position your team for next season, then the deal creates more problems than it fixes. You really need to decide which route you're going and then make all moves with either of those positions in mind.

 

[dparker713]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

Did you ever get your assistant GM?

This thread is basically my assistant GM.

In that case...Who are the top players at each position on the wire? Any good players been dropped do to injury?

 

[Genedoc]

Don't trade Lincecum or Strasburg for anything less than market value, elite pitchers can be easier replaced than elite hitters but that doesn't mean you should actively sell them for merely the best offer...especially when they're as young as Lince K and Strasburg.I would trade Posada, Rolen, and Chipper for whatever you can get. Some team out there in competition has to be hurting at C or 3B enough to see value in them. Hopefully Berkman gets hot before the trade deadline, I think he will, because you'd be better off without him too.If there's a team (or teams) in the race hurting for speed dangle Rajai and Bourn out there, speed-only guys like them aren't good long term bets because they really only provide one tool...and other speed-only guys can be found in the minors for cheap. Same logic applies to your closers, ship them out...for anything.I have no idea if you can get anything for Jose Lopez, but if you can send him out - his ceiling is low because he isn't any good.There has to be a better minor league prospect available than Teagarden, yes? He's a AAAA player at best.I don't think your core is as bad as you think it is, this teams problem is lack of girth in the OF and too many low upside vets. Rid yourself of the mediocreness and start taking shots on guys currently injured (i.e. Grady Sizemore, Tulo, Utley, Kendry), sucking but could improve (i.e. Kinsler, Lind), and prospects.

Did you ever get your assistant GM?

This thread is basically my assistant GM.

In that case...Who are the top players at each position on the wire? Any good players been dropped do to injury?

Top rated players available are guys like Fred Lewis, Corey Patterson, JD Drew, and Will Venable in the OF; Kevin Kouzmanoff, Luke Scott, Jeff Keppineger at corner; Omar Infante, Adam Rosales, and Jerry Hairston at middle. For pitchers, it's Pineiro, Sean Marshall, John Garland, Matt Belisle, and Darren Oliver. Also, what's the consensus re: Reyes? Is he a piece of the rebuilding, or a trade chip? Is he going to regain 50+ SB, 100+ runs, 10+ HR form? He's only 28, but the last couple of years have been frustrating. I've been offered a couple of packages for him - Alcides Escobar, a prospect (Brett Lawrie?), and a high draft pick (2nd round), OR someone like Adam Dunn/Mark Reynolds. When assessing Dunn/Reynolds/Reyes, remember we do NOT count BA, but OBP instead. OBP, HR, SB, RBI, R.

 

[MAC_32]

If you're going to trade Reyes you would need a guy that could be great in return, Reyes' problem isn't skills - it's health. I have zero confidence in the Mets strength training and rehab staff, which is a concern - but if he returns to health he'll be great again. Could Dunn, Reynolds, Lawrie, or Escobar be great? I don't know, probably not. Maybe Lawrie, the scouts love his bat, he's got wheels, and he's only 20...but he could just be another guy that can't translate his game to the majors. I wouldn't categorize any of the others as potentially great though.

It's good to know someone like Fred Lewis and Sean Marshall are available, that means it isn't difficult to replace OF's and P's so depth is not important at those positions.

 

[Genedoc]

Offf...feel bad for my trading partner, but damn I glad I got something for Rolen just in the nick of time.

 

[Genedoc]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:

Justin Upton

Geovany Soto

2nd round pick next year

Rotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

 

[MAC_32]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

 

[PIK95]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

 

[dparker713]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

If the other pieces are only to fill short term needs, they might as well not be in the deal. As you said, Upton has massive upside. Lincecum however, has already achieved his lofty status. Normally I'd go with a hitter, but Lincecum is too good right now to deal for someone because of their upside. I dont think he should be entertaining offers for Strasburg or Lincecum unless a first round hitting talent is involved - think Miguel Cabrera. Now Upton might make it to that level, but he's certainly not there yet.

 

[MAC_32]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

If the other pieces are only to fill short term needs, they might as well not be in the deal.

I'm not following.

 

[dparker713]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

If the other pieces are only to fill short term needs, they might as well not be in the deal.

I'm not following.

I mean they really shouldnt factor into the decision as to whether or not to accept the trade if they're short term pieces. He seems to be trying to build for 2-3 years out, as such short term needs are pretty irrelevant, especially a middling catcher in a 1 catcher league.And if this deal is Lincecum for Upton striaght up, I don't do the deal. Upton's K rate is troubling, and maybe the new FO will have a different approach, but so far they've shown no ability to develop a player's plate discipline - which is significantly more important in an OBP league. Additionally, he listed only 4 starting OF slots, diminishing Upton's positional value over a 5 OF league.

 

[MAC_32]

First non-laughable offer for Lincecum:Justin UptonGeovany Soto2nd round pick next yearRotowire rankes Upton the #4 overall OF in a Keeper League, and Soto is the #7 catcher. Lincecum is the #1 SP.

J Upside? Take it. I look at the other two as replaceable parts, but they can fill short term needs. J Upside and Lince K have pretty similar value imo, your need of a bat makes me think this is the move to make.

If the other pieces are only to fill short term needs, they might as well not be in the deal.

I'm not following.

I mean they really shouldnt factor into the decision as to whether or not to accept the trade if they're short term pieces. He seems to be trying to build for 2-3 years out, as such short term needs are pretty irrelevant, especially a middling catcher in a 1 catcher league.

Next year's 2nd round pick is only a short term fix? Soto can't be used to upgrade in another deal to upgrade at catcher?They both have value, why say no to additional value?

 

[dparker713]

Next year's 2nd round pick is only a short term fix? Soto can't be used to upgrade in another deal to upgrade at catcher?They both have value, why say no to additional value?

Is the deal better with those pieces than without? Sure, but its only marginally so. Especially when you're looking to build for 2-3 years out, the add-ins to a deal become less important. And that second round pick is after 31 rounds of players have already been rostered. You even said the other two in this deal a replaceable parts. They don't bring anything particularly significant to the table for the only timeframe that matters: 2-3 years out. Now, I can see 1st round draft picks being more valueable, since as I understand the rules thats how you accumulate the top draft picks, but I'd still be angling for 2012 1st rounders instead of next year, given how stacked the 2011 draft class is.