Red Sox very close to acquiring Buerhle (1 Viewer)

[Green94]

Schilling

Beckett

Dice K

Buerhle

Wakefield

Yikes.

 

[TitusIII]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

 

[Gottabesweet]

Wakefield blows

JT wouldn't be 5?

 

[TitusIII]

If the Red Sox put together the best offer, and the White Sox allow them to negotiate the 5 year deal MB wants, I think Ellsbury is part of the deal.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Buchholz won't be moved, and they won't want to ship Ellsbury out. I think everyone else is a possibility.

I hear that these two are exactly the package being discussed.I also would find that unlikely.

 

[Thorn]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

Link I like to grab Buerhle. I think Schilling is mentally scarred, Tavarez can't possibly keep it up and Wake has been serving up meatballs. The Tigers are too tough right now. If the Sox want to compete, they need to beef up.

Help me understand.

 

[Your Mother]

Jacoby Ellsbury AAA CF. Top position prospect in organization. Blocked by Coco right now, but Ellsbury will eventually start in CF.

I don't think Crisp is blocking him per se, he's just not ready.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Buchholz won't be moved, and they won't want to ship Ellsbury out. I think everyone else is a possibility.

I hear that these two are exactly the package being discussed.I also would find that unlikely.

Buchholz is untouchable

From what I've heard about him, I would also think this. I was very surprised to hear his name mentioned.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I knew that staff was a little suspect. You don't make a move like that unless you need it.

 

[Sammy3469]

Buchholz won't be moved, and they won't want to ship Ellsbury out. I think everyone else is a possibility.

I hear that these two are exactly the package being discussed.I also would find that unlikely.

Buchholz is untouchable

From what I've heard about him, I would also think this. I was very surprised to hear his name mentioned.

A lot of this sounds like smoke from someone in the White So org to drive the price up.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I knew that staff was a little suspect. You don't make a move like that unless you need it.

Well I'd be very, very surprised if they're really discussing these two guys. But as far as need, I'd say a few things.In the short-term, i.e. this season, this could be a sign that Schilling's injury is more serious than we know, or that they don't want to bring Lester up this year or both.In the long-term, IF Schilling comes back, this staff will hae two 40+ starting pitchers. If Schilling does not come back, then obviously there'd be a big hole.And more in general, I think just about every team could use a left-handed workhorse like Buerhle, need or no need. Had a rocky season in '06, but he's had a good career so far, and you don't have to worry about if he can handle the American League.I'd be excited if the Sox got him, just not at the Buchholz/Ellsbury price. And I don't legit think that Bucholz is actually being discussed.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I knew that staff was a little suspect. You don't make a move like that unless you need it.

Well I'd be very, very surprised if they're really discussing these two guys. But as far as need, I'd say a few things.In the short-term, i.e. this season, this could be a sign that Schilling's injury is more serious than we know, or that they don't want to bring Lester up this year or both.In the long-term, IF Schilling comes back, this staff will hae two 40+ starting pitchers. If Schilling does not come back, then obviously there'd be a big hole.And more in general, I think just about every team could use a left-handed workhorse like Buerhle, need or no need. Had a rocky season in '06, but he's had a good career so far, and you don't have to worry about if he can handle the American League.I'd be excited if the Sox got him, just not at the Buchholz/Ellsbury price. And I don't legit think that Bucholz is actually being discussed.

I know where you are coming from but I can't see a player of Buerhle's caliber being given up for anything less that major league ready prospects.

 

[shadyridr]

I knew that staff was a little suspect. You don't make a move like that unless you need it.

There's not a team in baseball that couldnt use a Mark Beuhrle.

 

[wilked]

I know where you are coming from but I can't see a player of Buerhle's caliber being given up for anything less that major league ready prospects.

you are forgetting that they would only get 3 months of Buerhle...that is not worth a top prospect

 

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What Wilked said

Buerhle is intent on trying the free agency market. White Sox realize they're done so rather than milk him for 3 more months they're trying to pick up a cost controlled prospect. The top level Sox guys are being thrown around to drive the price up. Sox do not need to give up a Buckholz type guy as we're not in tire "need' of another starting arm.

I've heard part of the reason for the boston interest is to block the yankees.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I know where you are coming from but I can't see a player of Buerhle's caliber being given up for anything less that major league ready prospects.

you are forgetting that they would only get 3 months of Buerhle...that is not worth a top prospect

The Sox would obviously want to sign him long-term, but look at it from Chicago's viewpoint - you're mired in mediocrity this year, Buerhle is going to walk at the end of the year. You're going to obviously try and get the best package possible, but holding out for a team's best prospects is probably not the way it'll ultimately go.

 

[shadyridr]

What Wilked saidBuerhle is intent on trying the free agency market. White Sox realize they're done so rather than milk him for 3 more months they're trying to pick up a cost controlled prospect. The top level Sox guys are being thrown around to drive the price up. Sox do not need to give up a Buckholz type guy as we're not in tire "need' of another starting arm. I've heard part of the reason for the boston interest is to block the yankees.

Among the Yankees many needs starting pitching is on the bottom of the list. They need:righty power hitting 1B, relief pitching, backup catcher, possibly another OFer, and then SP

 

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What Wilked saidBuerhle is intent on trying the free agency market. White Sox realize they're done so rather than milk him for 3 more months they're trying to pick up a cost controlled prospect. The top level Sox guys are being thrown around to drive the price up. Sox do not need to give up a Buckholz type guy as we're not in tire "need' of another starting arm. I've heard part of the reason for the boston interest is to block the yankees.

Among the Yankees many needs starting pitching is on the bottom of the list. They need:righty power hitting 1B, relief pitching, backup catcher, possibly another OFer, and then SP

I tend to agree but I was just reporting what I had read. I don't like the Buerhle signing for either team without a solid chance at resigning him before end of seaason at a reasonable rate.

 

[Limp Ditka]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

Link I like to grab Buerhle. I think Schilling is mentally scarred, Tavarez can't possibly keep it up and Wake has been serving up meatballs. The Tigers are too tough right now. If the Sox want to compete, they need to beef up.

Help me understand.

He'll never be the same after losing the no-no bid. With Schilling it's always been about Schilling. He just lost the icing on his cake.

It was his 3rd time he'd taken a no-hitter in the 8th. How'd he bounce back from the other two?

 

[BoulderBob]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

 

[Capella]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Yeah the RedSox guys are right on this thread again. They've convinced me that the RedSox will get Mark Buehrle for a bag of balls, Theo Epstein's gorilla suit and a low A level backup catcher.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Yeah the RedSox guys are right on this thread again. They've convinced me that the RedSox will get Mark Buehrle for a bag of balls, Theo Epstein's gorilla suit and a low A level backup catcher.

No, the Red Sox just won't get him period. Unless I am missing something nobody is saying Buerhle is going to be given away. However if Kenny Williams asking price is too high, the Red Sox won't pony up. Maybe someone else will but the Sox won't.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

Buerhle's caliber? The guy had a 5 ERA last year. He also doesn't strike that many people out. He probably will wear down in the second half too.I don't know what you are talking about but I am about 100% certain that Theo has players he wouldn't part with for Buerhle.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

Buerhle's caliber? The guy had a 5 ERA last year. He also doesn't strike that many people out. He probably will wear down in the second half too.I don't know what you are talking about but I am about 100% certain that Theo has players he wouldn't part with for Buerhle.

Careful, if he becomes a RedSox you're going to have to change your tune and say he is the best thing since Boardwalk fries.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

I am going to say it right now, i think its a longshot for the Red Sox to acquire this guy. There are several teams in need of pitching more than the Sox right now, who are in more desperate situations, including our neighbor to the South. Someone else will offer a better package than the Red Sox will.

 

[wilked]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

You are truly the most clueless baseball fan on this site. We are talking about a 3 month rental here. Why would a team give away its top prospect for 3 months of a starter who is at best a #3 on Boston's rotation?

 

[Limp Ditka]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6955650

BUEHRLE TO BREWERS?

The Brewers, leading the NL Central by 8 ½ games, are kicking around the idea of trading for White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle — a move that, while a longshot, would make sense.

The addition of Buehrle would give the Brewers a potentially formidable postseason rotation — Buerhle, right-hander Ben Sheets, left-hander Chris Capuano and righty Jeff Suppan.

The move also would enable the Brewers to move righty Claudio Vargas or Dave Bush to the bullpen — Bush was a closer at Wake Forest.

Here are the obstacles:

Approximately 10 teams are on Buehrle, including the Mets, Braves, Mariners and Buehrle's expected long-term choice, the Cardinals.

Buehrle, a potential free agent earning $9.5 million, would increase the Brewers' payroll by approximately $3 million if they acquired him on July 31.

The Brewers likely would be unwilling to part with Ryan Braun in order to get Mark Buehrle. (Morry Gash / Associated Press)

The price in young talent might be prohibitive for the Brewers, who would resist giving up third baseman Ryan Braun or right-hander Yovani Gallardo.

The Brewers, though, should be open to trading other prospects. They could recoup two high draft picks by offering Buehrle salary arbitration — an offer he surely would reject in order to sign a lucrative free-agent contract.

As for the payroll increase, the Brewers probably could absorb it — their average home attendance has jumped from 28,835 last season to 32,949 this season. Owner Mark Attanasio has said in the past that the team has payroll flexibility.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

You are truly the most clueless baseball fan on this site. We are talking about a 3 month rental here. Why would a team give away its top prospect for 3 months of a starter who is at best a #3 on Boston's rotation?

Careful, if he does get traded you'll have to come up with a bunch of formulas and equations that show he is one of the greatest pitchers of his generation.

 

[wilked]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

You are truly the most clueless baseball fan on this site. We are talking about a 3 month rental here. Why would a team give away its top prospect for 3 months of a starter who is at best a #3 on Boston's rotation?

Careful, if he does get traded you'll have to come up with a bunch of formulas and equations that show he is one of the greatest pitchers of his generation.

I assume then that Hughes would not be untouchable for the Yankees, and they are in the hunt for Buerhle as well

 

[Darth Cheney]

Prospects are just that, prospects. Buehrle is worth top level prospects, rental or not. The team that nabs MB will have to pony up.

Yup. I love the "there's no WAY they'll trade that guy" shtick.

Well for a 3 month rental there are DEFINATELY untouchables.Theo values his farm system very highly and even for a long term contract there would be untouchables.

There are combinations of players that are untouchable....a couple major league ready players, insane talents who are maybe a year away and stuff like that....but for a player of Buerhle's caliber there is not one single minor leaguer who is untouchable.

You are truly the most clueless baseball fan on this site. We are talking about a 3 month rental here. Why would a team give away its top prospect for 3 months of a starter who is at best a #3 on Boston's rotation?

Careful, if he does get traded you'll have to come up with a bunch of formulas and equations that show he is one of the greatest pitchers of his generation.

I assume then that Hughes would not be untouchable for the Yankees, and they are in the hunt for Buerhle as well

...... I forgot.....and that the ace prospect that they traded away suddenly isn't that good....has arm trouble....didn't fit the system...etc.etc.....As far as Phillip Hughes goes....I wouldn't trade him for Buerhle. Why would I trade away a young MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher like Phillip Hughes for Mark Buerhle?

 

[Limp Ditka]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

Link I like to grab Buerhle. I think Schilling is mentally scarred, Tavarez can't possibly keep it up and Wake has been serving up meatballs. The Tigers are too tough right now. If the Sox want to compete, they need to beef up.

Help me understand.

He'll never be the same after losing the no-no bid. With Schilling it's always been about Schilling. He just lost the icing on his cake.

It was his 3rd time he'd taken a no-hitter in the 8th. How'd he bounce back from the other two?

The 8th and 1 pitch left in the 9th are two different animals. This one hurt him and took place years later towards the end of his career. He realizes the window on his career is closing.

 

[ooofffaaa]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

Link I like to grab Buerhle. I think Schilling is mentally scarred, Tavarez can't possibly keep it up and Wake has been serving up meatballs. The Tigers are too tough right now. If the Sox want to compete, they need to beef up.

Help me understand.

He'll never be the same after losing the no-no bid. With Schilling it's always been about Schilling. He just lost the icing on his cake.

It was his 3rd time he'd taken a no-hitter in the 8th. How'd he bounce back from the other two?

The 8th and 1 pitch left in the 9th are two different animals. This one hurt him and took place years later towards the end of his career. He realizes the window on his career is closing.

Or maybe in his bid for a no hitter he exerted himself too much causing injury.To say "he'll never be the same" is pushing it.

 

[shadyridr]

who are the Red Sox's elite prospects?

Link I like to grab Buerhle. I think Schilling is mentally scarred, Tavarez can't possibly keep it up and Wake has been serving up meatballs. The Tigers are too tough right now. If the Sox want to compete, they need to beef up.

Help me understand.

He'll never be the same after losing the no-no bid. With Schilling it's always been about Schilling. He just lost the icing on his cake.

It was his 3rd time he'd taken a no-hitter in the 8th. How'd he bounce back from the other two?

The 8th and 1 pitch left in the 9th are two different animals. This one hurt him and took place years later towards the end of his career. He realizes the window on his career is closing.

Or maybe in his bid for a no hitter he exerted himself too much causing injury.To say "he'll never be the same" is pushing it.

David Cone was never the same after his perfect game.

 

[Capella]

Though, that doesn't mean the Sox won't try. Sources indicate the three names the Sox have sought for Buehrle from the Yankees are Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain, by coincidence exactly the three the Yankees won't surrender. The first contender to blink and offer a bona fide Grade A prospect likely will be the one to land Buehrle. But that's assuming that one does.

 

[shadyridr]

You see if I was the Yankees and I thought they needed a starting pitcher then I would trade Kennedy or Chamberlain for Beuhrle. But I dont think they need a SP. Why not use Kennedy or Chamberlain as trade bait for Teixeira?

 

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Yeah the RedSox guys are right on this thread again. They've convinced me that the RedSox will get Mark Buehrle for a bag of balls, Theo Epstein's gorilla suit and a low A level backup catcher.

You're a funny guy to read when the yanks are on a slide. Seething sarcasm based on twisted words is always good for a late afternon chuckle. Far more entertaining than unbridled homerism anyday. Who the hell said the Sox would GET beuhrle for a mid level prospect. From what I've seen we ere all speculating on who we think Boston would be willing to give up... not who we think chicago will accept. I have no doubts that the ChiSox have inflated hopes on what they think they will receive for a 3mo rental of MB.... but I just don't see boston trading away a cost-controlled guy like Lester or another "top-level" guy for 3 months of service. That's what teams who are starved for a starter do.... we aren't starved for starting pitching.

 

[Sea Bass]

As a Red Sox fan I would love for the Yanks to trade Hughes for Buehrle. I don't see that trade affecting their desitiny much for this season, while watching them continually getting older is music to my ears.

 

[Green94]

 

[wilked]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

 

[Capella]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

they can't be that dumb.

 

[wilked]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

they can't be that dumb.

I imagine with all of his recent injuries the trade would be contingent upon a full physical, so this is far from being settled. Should be interesting though

 

[TitusIII]

Such a sad state of affairs in Chicago. MB is probably my favorite pitcher in the bigs at the moment, and Reinsdorf refuses to pay the going rate for top talent, top homegrown talent, I might add. Sucks to be a WhiteSox fan today...

 

[shadyridr]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

You sure you are not just mentioning this to rile me up? If the Yankees do that deal I would be extremely pissed off.

 

[RedRaiders]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

they can't be that dumb.

I imagine with all of his recent injuries the trade would be contingent upon a full physical, so this is far from being settled. Should be interesting though

poor yank fans

 

[wilked]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

You sure you are not just mentioning this to rile me up? If the Yankees do that deal I would be extremely pissed off.

Well, with Hughes showing that he cannot stay healthy I am not sure the Pale Hose would even covet him for this trade...they may seek Chamberlain instead. Either way, the Yankees can use the arm, but it really depends on if they consider themselves a serious contender for the wild card

 

[Green94]

Such a sad state of affairs in Chicago. MB is probably my favorite pitcher in the bigs at the moment, and Reinsdorf refuses to pay the going rate for top talent, top homegrown talent, I might add. Sucks to be a WhiteSox fan today...

One of my favorite White Sox players of all time.

 

[shadyridr]

Looks like Hughes for Buerhle is gaining some steam...I am not sure I agree with the Yankees that it makes sense, but they could certainly use a boost

You sure you are not just mentioning this to rile me up? If the Yankees do that deal I would be extremely pissed off.

Well, with Hughes showing that he cannot stay healthy I am not sure the Pale Hose would even covet him for this trade...they may seek Chamberlain instead. Either way, the Yankees can use the arm, but it really depends on if they consider themselves a serious contender for the wild card

OK now I know you are fishing or just plain dumb. Hughes has one injury and all of a sudden he's injury prone? Now Chamberlain is a better prospect than Hughes? :(