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Redskins at Buccaneers (1 Viewer)

Pierre Garcon makes a 0 yard fumble return (Billy Cundiff kick is good). Drive: 7 plays, 75 yards in 4:42.

 
Does the rule about not advancing a fumble only apply during the 2:00 before a half/EOG?

 
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Griffin looking like a vet, baiting aggressive D into 2 offsides penalties with hard count.

 
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I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.

 
So Tampa's gameplan was to have Freeman chuck the ball all over the place? really?
:yes: Not surprising as every other team's been able to at will.Fair or not (only turns 25 next Jan), Freeman's gonna face uncertainty as the "QB of the future" in Tampa if this team sucks again (which looks like they will). He's just not taken the next step. Actually regressed. All the comebacks he's had are nice and all, but at some point you got to put a complete game together.At home, against a porous Washington defense (down Carriker & Orakpo with a crappy secondary) says more about the bad state of the Tampa offense more than anything.I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is Freeman's final full season starting in Tampa. He's not Schiano's guy & he simply continues start slow each and every game then feast on soft end of game defenses.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.
Martin has 2 rushing attempts. Not exactly bunches.
 
Haven't been able to watch the game but I noticed the RG3 rushing TD's. Is Morris in on those plays?

Is RG3 taking a beating in this game like the last few?

 
I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.
Martin has 2 rushing attempts. Not exactly bunches.
Thought it was obvious from my post that I meant 'to date', but they simply can't keep giving him 20 carries a game averaging 2 or 3 yards/carry. There's simply no reason Martin should continue at the rate of carries he's gotten (63 carries to Blount's 7)Especially when the guy behind you (Blount) has a career average around 4.5 yards per carry.I can understand Schiano having 'his guy' Martin, but 'your guy' simply has been ineffective so far handling the load. Lessening it may make him, and the team's rush offense, more effective. It can't get any worse.
 
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'Craig_MiamiFL said:
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'Craig_MiamiFL said:
I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.
Martin has 2 rushing attempts. Not exactly bunches.
Thought it was obvious from my post that I meant 'to date', but they simply can't keep giving him 20 carries a game averaging 2 or 3 yards/carry. There's simply no reason Martin should continue at the rate of carries he's gotten (63 carries to Blount's 7)Especially when the guy behind you (Blount) has a career average around 4.5 yards per carry.I can understand Schiano having 'his guy' Martin, but 'your guy' simply has been ineffective so far handling the load. Lessening it may make him, and the team's rush offense, more effective. It can't get any worse.
Shiano strikes me as kind of a stubborn fool. He might go a whole season giving Martin 300 carries at 3 ypc rather than admitting that The Hamster just isn't as good as Blount.
 
'Craig_MiamiFL said:
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'Craig_MiamiFL said:
I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.
Martin has 2 rushing attempts. Not exactly bunches.
Thought it was obvious from my post that I meant 'to date', but they simply can't keep giving him 20 carries a game averaging 2 or 3 yards/carry. There's simply no reason Martin should continue at the rate of carries he's gotten (63 carries to Blount's 7)Especially when the guy behind you (Blount) has a career average around 4.5 yards per carry.I can understand Schiano having 'his guy' Martin, but 'your guy' simply has been ineffective so far handling the load. Lessening it may make him, and the team's rush offense, more effective. It can't get any worse.
Rookie going up against some very solid defenses in the first three games. Redskins are very good against the run also.I still think Martin has a decent rookie year.
 
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So Tampa's gameplan was to have Freeman chuck the ball all over the place? really?
If you can't chcuk it all over Washington, you need to find a new job and this guy needs to find a new job.
 
'Craig_MiamiFL said:
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'Craig_MiamiFL said:
I'm not a huge fan of his at all, but Blount needs more touches than the very very minimal amount he was. You can only go to something that's not working (Martin in bunches and bunches) so many times.
Martin has 2 rushing attempts. Not exactly bunches.
Thought it was obvious from my post that I meant 'to date', but they simply can't keep giving him 20 carries a game averaging 2 or 3 yards/carry. There's simply no reason Martin should continue at the rate of carries he's gotten (63 carries to Blount's 7)Especially when the guy behind you (Blount) has a career average around 4.5 yards per carry.

I can understand Schiano having 'his guy' Martin, but 'your guy' simply has been ineffective so far handling the load. Lessening it may make him, and the team's rush offense, more effective. It can't get any worse.
Rookie going up against some very solid defenses in the first three games. Redskins are very good against the run also.

I still think Martin has a decent rookie year.
:no: From another thread:

They've played three tough defenses to date. Schedule is fixing to get a lot easier. That said, when Freeman isn't capable of backing defenses off the LOS, it probably won't matter.
Haha, yeah, the stingy Carolina D stuffed Andre Brown - allowing him just 113 yards on 20 carries (5.7ypc). They also stoned Pierre Thomas - kept him to only 110 yards on 9 carries (12.2 ypc). They were also like the 31st or 32rd ranked rush D last year.The Giants held DeAngelo to 4.5 ypc (50 yards on 11 carries) and DeMarco Murray to 6.6 ypc (131 yards on 20 carries).

Dallas held Bradshaw to 4.6 ypc (78 yds on 17 car) and Lynch to 4.7 ypc (122 on 26).

The only thing making those defenses look tough was Doug Martin. I'm not sure I'd count on the schedule to fix what is wrong here. Freeman and the play calling are part of the problem, no doubt, but that was part of the problem last year, too.
 
Bucs have to start thinking about life after Freeman. He just is not going to make it as a starting NFL QB...he is bordering on numbers worse than Trent Dilfer when he was starting for the Bucs.

 
Hey FFNinja, do you look at the OL and how they are blocking? Do you think Carl Nicks is living up to his mega contract? What impact does the OL blocking have on you repeatedly trying to hammer down on Doug Martin who is a rookie? What is you don't like about Doug Martin? I'll be glad to engage with you but your attitude towards others is simply "You're right, they're wrong", I hope you can explain your position on a guy who has only played 3 NFL games and has a horrendous starting QB in Josh Freeman.

 
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Hey FFNinja, do you look at the OL and how they are blocking? Do you think Carl Nicks is living up to his mega contract? What impact does the OL blocking have on you repeatedly trying to hammer down on Doug Martin who is a rookie? What is you don't like about Doug Martin? I'll be glad to engage with you but your attitude towards others is simply "You're right, they're wrong", I hope you can explain your position on a guy who has only played 3 NFL games and has a horrendous starting QB in Josh Freeman.
Well, the thing is that Nicks wasn't even on the team last year and Freeman was terrible last year, too. Yet Blount still managed a decent average (4.2 ypc) on a team that had clearly given up. It's not that I dislike The Hamster, but I just think Blount is better. This year they sign a deep threat to open things up and they sign the top free agent o-lineman and yet Shiano is sticking with a 3.4 ypc guy while stubbornly letting Blount rot on the bench. Just doesn't make sense.
 
well it did start well martin, 20 yard carry on the first drive called back for holding...havent seen much of him ever since

 

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