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Redskins make move for Lance Briggs (1 Viewer)
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Keith Lewis
Footballguy
If this happened what would happen to Briggs IDP value? Fletcher is in the middle now, would Briggs value go way down or stay the same?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Wow...Lance Briggs is good, but he's not worth the 6th pick in the draft.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Supposedly it's Briggs & the 31st pick for the 6th.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hmmm, still don't think it's worth it.Let's see what Briggs does without the protection around him...the Skins defensive front is a joke, Chicago's is one of the best; and that's not mentioning the Urlacher factor.
True. About 1000 point value (16th overall pick).
phillyfan72
Footballguy
Dan Snyder is just itching to get his name in the papers. Briggs would be a total bust in WAS. He plays in a Tampa 2 D in CHI, which is nothing like Gregg Williams D. Look at what happened to Archuleta. He came from a Tampa 2 D and was a major bust. The same will happen with Briggs if this trade happens.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The Redskins just don't value draft picks. Plain and simple.
Rocky McIntosh?
They'd rather make big name splashes (hi Dan Snyder) and see where the chips fall come August.
Briggs at WLB and Fletcher in the middle would work fine, though. Expensive pickup.
Rocky McIntosh?
They'd rather make big name splashes (hi Dan Snyder) and see where the chips fall come August.
Briggs at WLB and Fletcher in the middle would work fine, though. Expensive pickup.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I agree that C. Griffin is the only real DL that provides any protection, but that is little to none there compared to what is in CHI. Maybe with A. Branch falling the 'Skins think he might be in the late 1st. Who knows, but I hope this is all agent talk. Why would the 'Skins trade away a 2nd to get Rocky McIntosh and now make this move? No talk of switching to 3-4, so it would appear that they are drinking a bit too much from the bottle at Redskins Park...if this is true.
Southside Stosh
Footballguy
Please, God, let this be true. 
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Though they are talking about switching some things up on defense, I don't think getting Briggs will have the same result as AA. AA was limited as a safety and Briggs has a much better all around game for his position. The real question is the 'Skins DL and then giving Briggs the same opportunites as he had in CHI. Sheesh, I'm talking like he's already left...
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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POSTED 9:57 p.m. EDT, March 26, 2007
'SKINS MAKING A PLAY FOR BRIGGS?
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Redskins and Bears are contemplating a trade that would send the No. 6 overall pick to Chicago for linebacker Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick in the draft.
But didn't the 'Skins learn last year the folly of trying to force a Tampa 2 specialist into Gregg Williams' defense? Though we can't fault Adam Archuleta (one of our sponsors) for taking $10 million guaranteed, the Redskins should have considered more carefully the question of whether the player would fit within the system.
Briggs' success possibly is a product of his role as the weakside linebacker in the Tampa 2 defense, which gives him a lot of freedom to roam in open space and make tackles. As the "will" in a traditional 4-3, will he be as effective?
It's a big risk for the Redskins to take, in our view. But we have a feeling that owner Dan Snyder (who has been uncharacteristically quiet in free agency) is itching to make a big deal, especially at a time when he's rubbing elbows with his 31 partners/competitors at the NFL's 2007 Annual Meeting.
POSTED 9:57 p.m. EDT, March 26, 2007
'SKINS MAKING A PLAY FOR BRIGGS?
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Redskins and Bears are contemplating a trade that would send the No. 6 overall pick to Chicago for linebacker Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick in the draft.
But didn't the 'Skins learn last year the folly of trying to force a Tampa 2 specialist into Gregg Williams' defense? Though we can't fault Adam Archuleta (one of our sponsors) for taking $10 million guaranteed, the Redskins should have considered more carefully the question of whether the player would fit within the system.
Briggs' success possibly is a product of his role as the weakside linebacker in the Tampa 2 defense, which gives him a lot of freedom to roam in open space and make tackles. As the "will" in a traditional 4-3, will he be as effective?
It's a big risk for the Redskins to take, in our view. But we have a feeling that owner Dan Snyder (who has been uncharacteristically quiet in free agency) is itching to make a big deal, especially at a time when he's rubbing elbows with his 31 partners/competitors at the NFL's 2007 Annual Meeting.
fatness
Footballguy
That would be my guess. Rosehaus represents several players in Washington, so that would lend some believability to the "story".
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twistd
Footballguy
The Chicago news is reporting that Briggs and Rosenhaus are meeting with Bears management at the owners meetings. Their specualtion is that the are trying to get a deal done.
massraider
Footballguy
Man, I'm really not buying this Archuleta/Briggs comparison.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I would love it if this happened.
Something tells me this is just fluff though. I can't see Angelo not jumping at that. If the Bears ended up with the 6th and the high 2nd they got from the Jets..........
It would be a coup.
Something tells me this is just fluff though. I can't see Angelo not jumping at that. If the Bears ended up with the 6th and the high 2nd they got from the Jets..........
It would be a coup.
fatness
Footballguy
Then again I might be wrong. Fox Sports
I guess we'll see if Joe Gibbs has balls enough to say no to this one.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Would just like to point out that they give up Briggs AND that high second. Still like it, though.I would love it if this happened.Something tells me this is just fluff though. I can't see Angelo not jumping at that. If the Bears ended up with the 6th and the high 2nd they got from the Jets..........
It would be a coup.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
No, it would be Briggs and their 1st round pick @ #31.Would just like to point out that they give up Briggs AND that high second. Still like it, though.I would love it if this happened.Something tells me this is just fluff though. I can't see Angelo not jumping at that. If the Bears ended up with the 6th and the high 2nd they got from the Jets..........
It would be a coup.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Who does Chicago target with the 6th overall, if this happens?
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Redskins fan here...
Please, please no. If it was a mid-teens pick, fine, but it's not. It's the 31. It's practically a second rounder. For the #6 overall pick. For a LB right after we signed an LB and drafted one last year. If we don't fix that D-line, we're gonna get run all over again, completely defeating the concept of revamping the secondary this off-season.
Please, please no. If it was a mid-teens pick, fine, but it's not. It's the 31. It's practically a second rounder. For the #6 overall pick. For a LB right after we signed an LB and drafted one last year. If we don't fix that D-line, we're gonna get run all over again, completely defeating the concept of revamping the secondary this off-season.
There is no other logical conclusion watching their behavior the last few years.
milfordshane
Footballguy
They put themselves within shouting distance of Thomas and C Johnson, but more likely is they jump ahead of Miami, Atlanta, and Minnesota for Levi Brown.I don't think the trade will happen as stated though.
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redman
Footballguy
This is one rumor that I flat out don't believe. They're already four deep at LB, with McIntosh, Fletcher and Washington, and Marshall able to back them up at any of those three positions or play in the nickel. That was the brilliance of the Fletcher signing as it addressed two different needs, MLB and freed up Marshall for depth and perhaps to play WLB again if Rocky doesn't work out.
Their need is on the defensive line, not at LB.
Their need is on the defensive line, not at LB.
pyite76
Footballguy
Landry perhaps? We could use him most def. Branch? I like both those picks. I vote Landry. let this happen please.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
This is exactly who I thought of as well.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
If the 'Skins do it, they better get more than just Briggs and the 31st pick. IMO
Also, when mentioning that they don't value their draft picks...considering how their FO has been recruiting and evaluating players, I wouldn't value them much either. History shows that other than a HIGH pick, their picks haven't turned out that great. So, maybe there is the the reason?
Also, when mentioning that they don't value their draft picks...considering how their FO has been recruiting and evaluating players, I wouldn't value them much either. History shows that other than a HIGH pick, their picks haven't turned out that great. So, maybe there is the the reason?
Routilla
Footballguy
I agree. It's like they know they will blow the pick and so they make a trade before draft day so they don't have to endure the pain and suffering. I don't get it. If they had been successful with this methodology then we would not be talking about it every year. Does anyone have a summary of the moves they have done involving 1st rounders over the last few years? I guess it would be good to see it all together before we judge them. Oh wait I just did that didn't I?
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
*Bears fan kneels down*
Please Lord, let this happen.
I'm not sure who they'll take, but I don't really care since quality can be found at that pick. One position I think is being overlooked is QB. What if Russell or Quinn falls? It very possible one of them fall to 1.6, plus, if I remember correctly, this is Grossman's last year of his contract.
Please Lord, let this happen.
I'm not sure who they'll take, but I don't really care since quality can be found at that pick. One position I think is being overlooked is QB. What if Russell or Quinn falls? It very possible one of them fall to 1.6, plus, if I remember correctly, this is Grossman's last year of his contract.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I'll save you by only putting the top 3 rounds of each year, after the 4th...it's somewhat crap shot anyway.20062. Rocky McIntosh, LB, Miami20051. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn20041. Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fla.)3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State20032. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida3. Derrick Dockery, G, Texas20021. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa3. Rashad Bauman, CB, Oregon3. Cliff Russell, WR, Utah20011. Rod Gardner, WR, Clemson2. Fred Smoot, CB, Mississippi St.20001. LaVar Arrington, LB, Penn St.1. Chris Samuels, T, Alabama3. Lloyd Harrison, CB, N.C. State19991. Champ Bailey, CB, Georgia2. Jon Jansen, T, Michigan19982. Stephen Alexander, TE, Oklahoma3. Skip Hicks, RB, UCLA19971. Kenard Lang, DE, Miami2. Greg Jones, LB, Colorado3. Derek Smith, LB, Arizona St.19961. Andre Johnson, T, Penn State19951. Michael Westbrook, WR, Colorado2. Cory Raymer, C, Wisconson3. Daryl Pounds, CB, Nicholls St.19941. Heath Shuler, QB, Tennessee2. Tre Johnson, T, Temple3. Tydus Winans, WR, Fresno St.3. Joe Patton, T, Alabama A&M19931. Tom Carter, CB, Notre Dame2. Reggie Brooks, RB, Notre Dame3. Rick Hamilton, LB, Central Florida3. Ed Bunn, P, UTEP19921. Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan2. Shane Collins, DE, Arizona St.3. Paul Siever, G, Penn St.
ditka85
Footballguy
Landry, absolutely.
Would love Willis too. 
Branch? I hope not. They aren't going to reach for Levi Brown at 6. 
Brady Quinn.....
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I know no one believes me, but I really think the Bears will draft on the defensive side of the ball early.
They tend to go after FAs for the offensive side more so than on drafting offense............
just saying..........
I don't think they would draft Landry - why get another saftey after trading for Archie?
I really doubt they would draft a WR (unless CJ falls). Chicago is called the windy city because its windy. Passing and recieving just hasn't been that high on the draft agenda for a while as far as I know.
I think they would be looking for one of the linemen to fall with a move there - Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson or Joe Thomas - then look for a speedier LB in the early 2nd round.
ETA I could see them drafting Branch also, but I think they would be looking for more of a penetrator and I look at Branch as more of a runn stuffer personally.
They tend to go after FAs for the offensive side more so than on drafting offense............
just saying..........
I don't think they would draft Landry - why get another saftey after trading for Archie?
I really doubt they would draft a WR (unless CJ falls). Chicago is called the windy city because its windy. Passing and recieving just hasn't been that high on the draft agenda for a while as far as I know.
I think they would be looking for one of the linemen to fall with a move there - Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson or Joe Thomas - then look for a speedier LB in the early 2nd round.
ETA I could see them drafting Branch also, but I think they would be looking for more of a penetrator and I look at Branch as more of a runn stuffer personally.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I would think that they would have to go Linebacker. I know they like Joe, but he's very green and Hunter Hillenmeyer leaves a lot to be desired. DT is also a possibility with Boone gone, Ian Scott possibly following and Tank looking like he could be out the first 4 games due to suspension.If they go LB, they should be trading again and moving down in the draft. There isn't a OLB worthy of a top 6 pick in this draft. If the go DT, they probably go Branch from Michigan.
ditka85
Footballguy
Archuleta is merely a stop gap at this point. I'd be very surprised if the Bears pass on Landry at 6 unless Thomas or CJ is still on the board.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I've been hearing bad things about Branch. Apparantly he seems primed to make a free fall in this draft since teams are scared off by his lack of work ethic.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Archuletta is there to platoon with Brown IMO. Hopefully the two of them will = a full season from our starting SS. But I just think the Bears have too much money tied to the saftey position already to go with a 3rd big paycheck there. Archie can stop the run and rush, which is what he'll be asked to do mostly. Brown makes plays.I think they need another body in the D line rotation though with Boone going to KC and Tank out possibly 4-8 games. IMO Keeping the lineman fresh is what keeps that defense churning. We all saw what happened late last season as our run stuffing saftey was hurt and our lineman began to wear down.
shamrock84
Footballguy
I'd think they would have to consider Quinn or Russell if one of the QB's fell that far.Landry, absolutely.
Would love Willis too.
They aren't going to reach for Levi Brown at 6.
Brady Quinn.....
This would be a mistake for the Bears as well imo. That #6 pick is tempting, true, but they are obviously not going to take a LB there and without a second round pick they more than likely end up starting the season with a big hole on that defense. Whoever you take at 6 isnt going to have enough production in his first year to make up for that loss, and the Bears need to win NOW.
Otoh, standing pat the Bears can get a starting caliber RB with either their own 1st rounder or the 31st pick in case they cant work it out with Briggs, as well as another very good player. Best case they work things out with Lance and lock him down, worse case he holds out and Bears dump him for a pittance- but still maintain their draft depth. This team isnt built on flash, they need their picks to plug some potentially serious holes.
Otoh, standing pat the Bears can get a starting caliber RB with either their own 1st rounder or the 31st pick in case they cant work it out with Briggs, as well as another very good player. Best case they work things out with Lance and lock him down, worse case he holds out and Bears dump him for a pittance- but still maintain their draft depth. This team isnt built on flash, they need their picks to plug some potentially serious holes.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Why is everyone having such a hard time grasping the fact that they would still have a 2nd round pick? 
fatness
Footballguy
There are 2 other parts of it that doesn't make sense, also. This year, unlike other years, Redskin offseason spending on players has been restrained. And this year, unlike other years, there are pretty good indications that Snyder is fed up with the lousy performance of the front office (including Cerrato) in choosing free agents.While the picture of Snyder & Cerrato cruisin' and schmoozin' at the owners meeting and trying to make a splash with a flashy acquisition would have been believable up til last year, this year has been different.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
redman
Footballguy
As I read the stories about this supposed trade, I'm noting that they come from several sources:
1) Briggs' comment in weeks past that he would never play for Chicago again;
2) Drew Rosenhaus, Briggs' agent, who has been pimping Briggs at the owners meetings and who is the one who defined the trade as it's being discussed here; and
3) An off-hand comment by Dan Snyder, as he was buttonholed in the hallway about the Briggs trade at those same meetings, that I read to the effect that, "Yeah, we'd be interested in Lance Briggs."
That's it. The teams haven't even spoken with each other about this as far as we know.
Again, I'm just not buying this and I think, once again, Drew Rosenhaus is spinning his web and a lot of people are getting caught in it.
1) Briggs' comment in weeks past that he would never play for Chicago again;
2) Drew Rosenhaus, Briggs' agent, who has been pimping Briggs at the owners meetings and who is the one who defined the trade as it's being discussed here; and
3) An off-hand comment by Dan Snyder, as he was buttonholed in the hallway about the Briggs trade at those same meetings, that I read to the effect that, "Yeah, we'd be interested in Lance Briggs."
That's it. The teams haven't even spoken with each other about this as far as we know.
Again, I'm just not buying this and I think, once again, Drew Rosenhaus is spinning his web and a lot of people are getting caught in it.
fatness
Footballguy
The Bears and Briggs are at an impasse. Rosenhaus has said Briggs will sit out 10 games and come in to play the last 6 for the Bears. The Bears haven't gotten good enough offers for Briggs, apparently. Maybe Snyder is purposely helping drive up what other teams will offer the Bears for Briggs.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Guys, I just heard this trade is possible from the Bears side. Briggs needs to be able to come to a contract agreement with DC first though.
redman
Footballguy
I know Snyder and Rosey get along, but I can't imagine why Snyder would do that. What would he get out of it? Besides, I think deals like this have gotten to the point where, when rumors about them get out, everyone just rolls their eyes and says "There go the Redskins again". In other words, even assuming cooperation by Snyder in such a ploy, I'm not even sure that that would affect the market because the Redskins are viewed as operating on a different financial level than almost every other team out there.
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redman
Footballguy
Gee, I'll bet it is!
No way this happens for Briggs and their #1 for the #6. At LEAST the Skins #1 #2 and next years #2 for BRiggs and the Bears #2...at least.They guy is damn good, that's why they franchised him...Gee, I'll bet it is!
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