Reggie Brown Reception/Buckhalter TD (1 Viewer)

[carlincali]

Anyone see the play where Brown caught a pass from McNabb, had the ball dislodged and Buckhalter snagged it and scored?

How is that being scored in your leagues? How can it be a fumble if it never touched the ground? Isn't it the same as a hook and ladder play? Or does intent have something to do with the scoring?

 

[H.K.]

Fumbles don't have to hit the ground to be fumbles. The receiver had possession, lost the ball, and Buckhalter recovered the fumble and scored. NFL.com has it scored accurately. The play is too high profile to expect a scoring change if you were counting on getting credit for a TD pass.

 

[anguskahn]

A fumble doesnt have to hit the ground. Urlacher took the ball from Edge's hands and ran it back for a TD a few weeks ago and that was a fumble.

 

[carlincali]

A fumble doesnt have to hit the ground. Urlacher took the ball from Edge's hands and ran it back for a TD a few weeks ago and that was a fumble.

So it sounds like intent is a factor. If you have it stripped or knocked out against your will it's a fumble, but if you intentionally give up possession to a teammate it's not a fumble. Is that accurate?

 

[kd1]

Fumbles don't have to hit the ground to be fumbles. The receiver had possession, lost the ball, and Buckhalter recovered the fumble and scored. NFL.com has it scored accurately. The play is too high profile to expect a scoring change if you were counting on getting credit for a TD pass.

"too high profile to expect a scoring change"???uhhh...ok.

 

[Righetti]

good call on the guy last night who started the thread asking about o/u on the total shark-pool threads in the next few days about that play

i think I've seen 5 different threads already

 

[H.K.]

Fumbles don't have to hit the ground to be fumbles. The receiver had possession, lost the ball, and Buckhalter recovered the fumble and scored. NFL.com has it scored accurately. The play is too high profile to expect a scoring change if you were counting on getting credit for a TD pass.

"too high profile to expect a scoring change"???uhhh...ok.

Best way I could think of wording it. The game was broadcast across about 75% of the country, and the replay has been shown tons of times on highlights already. If there were any questions about how the play was scored, it would have been discussed by now, even possibly addressed by the league. Anyway, it was clearly a fumble, so its a non-issue. Official scoring will not be changed.

 

[Arnold. S]

don't they think about fantasy owners? There aren't many people who needs a buckhalter fumble recovery TD, but there are plenty that needs a McNabb passing TD!!!

I bet the guys who does the scores play fanatsy football... must be playing against McNabb this week

 

[carlincali]

I guess I'm just curious as to what protocol the NFL uses when determining fumbles vs. laterals vs. interceptions, etc. And whether intent plays a role.

I have a hard time understanding how they can rule the Reggie Brown play a fumble as well as the Saints Jeff Faine play. Most seem to think that Brown lost the ball unintentionally and therefore it was a fumble. Well it seemed pretty obvious to me that Faine intentionally snapped the ball to McCallister on the ground. If a ball does not have to touch the ground to be a fumble, why was this not considered a direct snap instead of a fumble? One play apparently involved intent the other did not, but they were both ruled as fumbles. I don't get it.

(8:09) 26-D.McAllister Aborted. 52-J.Faine FUMBLES at PIT 4, recovered by NO-26-D.McAllister at PIT 4. 26-D.McAllister for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(10:57) (No Huddle) 5-D.McNabb pass deep right to 86-R.Brown to WAS 35 for 20 yards (24-S.Springs). FUMBLES (24-S.Springs), touched at WAS 34, recovered by PHI-28-C.Buckhalter at WAS 37. 28-C.Buckhalter for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

These are 2 very distinct plays and yet both were fumbles.

 

[Nemesis]

I, for one, am very interested in the NFL changing this ruling.

If they do change it...........I win my game and would beat the co-divisional leader by .5 pts and will probably get a 1st round playoff bye.

If they don't.....................I'm going to have to resort to

 

[Arnold. S]

Now everyone go here http://www.nfl.com/video and watch the Eagles highlights, the slow motion of the play around 1:50 into the video. Clearly, as Brown was being dragged down and turning, he saw Buckhalter, both of his arms were held by the defender, but he still still managed to give the ball an extra push.

Just looking at it, by the way that play was going:

Brown was being wrapped up and brought down

The Defender's arms are grabbing Brown, there was no motion of punching the ball out from underneath

There was another defender flying at him but did not make much contact before the ball left Brown's hands

As Brown was being brought down, he was clearly looking at Buckhalter and both arms swung towards Buckhalter with the ball

So it was clearly a lateral to me and a McNabb TD

 

[u999spf]

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15998017.htm

It was a fumble.....

Brown tried to persuade the media that he had this planned the entire time.

"I went to go see a gypsy on Thursday and she told me a hook-and-lateral was in my future," Brown said smiling. "We tried it and it worked, and I'm sticking by it."

He didn't stick by it for very long, admitting what everybody knew: It was a fumble.

"It wasn't a hard hit [by Springs], but I guess I didn't have it secured," Brown said.

"That was a fumble - I didn't need to ask him," Eagles coach Andy Reid said.

 

[Marvelous]

A fumble doesnt have to hit the ground. Urlacher took the ball from Edge's hands and ran it back for a TD a few weeks ago and that was a fumble.

So it sounds like intent is a factor. If you have it stripped or knocked out against your will it's a fumble, but if you intentionally give up possession to a teammate it's not a fumble. Is that accurate?

Intent is clearly important here.If it is a lateral, then it cannot go forward. If it does, it is an illegal pass.If it is a fumble, it does not matter which way the ball goes or whether it hits the ground.

 

[Marvelous]

Now everyone go here http://www.nfl.com/video and watch the Eagles highlights, the slow motion of the play around 1:50 into the video. Clearly, as Brown was being dragged down and turning, he saw Buckhalter, both of his arms were held by the defender, but he still still managed to give the ball an extra push.

Just looking at it, by the way that play was going:

Brown was being wrapped up and brought down

The Defender's arms are grabbing Brown, there was no motion of punching the ball out from underneath

There was another defender flying at him but did not make much contact before the ball left Brown's hands

As Brown was being brought down, he was clearly looking at Buckhalter and both arms swung towards Buckhalter with the ball

So it was clearly a lateral to me and a McNabb TD

I could not get the video to work, but when I saw the play on tv in slo-mo, it looked like the ball hit Brown's chest when it was coming out. So even if he was trying to do a lateral, but that time, he had no control of it.

 

[Nemesis]

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15998017.htm

It was a fumble.....

Brown tried to persuade the media that he had this planned the entire time.

"I went to go see a gypsy on Thursday and she told me a hook-and-lateral was in my future," Brown said smiling. "We tried it and it worked, and I'm sticking by it."

He didn't stick by it for very long, admitting what everybody knew: It was a fumble.

"It wasn't a hard hit [by Springs], but I guess I didn't have it secured," Brown said.

"That was a fumble - I didn't need to ask him," Eagles coach Andy Reid said.

Would be funny if McNabb had went to Brown and asked him to tell the media that it was planned all along in order to get the TD credit.Question: There was a website a poster listed couple of weeks back that shows all the Stat Changes from the NFL during the yr.......does anybody know what this website is?

I recall that it might be somewhere on Yahoo, but I'm not sure.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

To me it really looked like an incomplete pass to Brown but was completed to Buckhalter.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

To me it really looked like an incomplete pass to Brown but was completed to Buckhalter.

Me too.