Reggie Bush 3rd overall pick (1 Viewer)

[bonesman]

Go back and check that site again. They did in fact mention the S. Brown hit. Please make a valid point if you want to call me out.

I stand corrected there.

 

[kensat30]

Bush has a chance to get 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in any given year, plus close to 100 catches. Even without TDs, that is 300 points in a PPR. I think he is gold in a PPR league.

I would definitely take him 3rd in a PPR league, especially a dynasty.

I don't think Bush has a chance in hell at reaching 1,000 yards rushing this year, but maybe that's just me. Bush is not a BAD pick in a PPR league, but he is really being overhyped based on his 88 catches last year. People forget that Deuce McAllister is RB1 in New Orleans and he gets everything that goes with it. Carries, rushing yardage, and rushing TDs. Bush is a Westbrook type player, but he is also just the RB2 in that offense. Keep that in mind.PS- 1,000 yards receiving is also highly unlikely.

This is great.Deuce had 10 rushing TD's in his RB1 role with everything that comes with it. The second most in his career.

Reggie Bush had 6 rushing TD's in his RB2 role. In his rookie year. He also added 2 receiving TD's.

So what you're saying here is that Deuce had more TDs than Bush. TDs: 10>6 (63/37)

Carries: 244>155 (61/39)

RuYards: 1057>565 (65/35)

Most importantly:

YPC: 4.3 > 3.6

Isn't 60% of the workload borderline featured RB material? Bush would have to improve across the board for this to even be a true "RBBC". How this guy can be considered a #3 OVERALL pick in any type of redraft league mystifies me. Other guys can catch the ball, and they WILL get traditional RB production to go along with that. Bush is all about potential, but to me it is all wishful thinking. We are not talking 3rd or 2nd round in this thread, we are talking TOP3 overall. That right there is HYPE.

 

[Mozeta]

If you have a late first round pick (which I do) I would be half tempted to pass on Reggie and try to get him on the way back in the second round because I don't think he is has high on the radar to most people. I think it depends on where he is being taken on average the day your draft rolls around.

That's a very risky strategy and one I'm not sure will pan out - even in a non-PPR league. My league is switching to PPR for the first time and I have the 11th pick and would love to see Bush there but I'm afraid it's a pipe dream. In a PPR league, I don't think you can argue against taking him Top 5 - especially now with LJ's status in question. But even if LJ returns you could make a strong argument for Bush fourth or fifth (with Westbrook going right before or after him). There's no reason to believe Bush's role in the offense will decline; in fact it's logical to assume it will increase. And when you consider how strongly he finished the season it shows how high his ceiling is even sharing time with McAllister. This is a guy who could drop 1,500 total yards, 80+ receptions and double-digit TDs without question. In any league that's valuable but in a PPR league that's golden. And in a league like switz's and mine which rewards big plays his value increases even more.I've yet to see too many sites, magazines etc. which have Bush ranked outside the first round (i.e. Top 12 among RBs) regardless of the scoring system. So even if you're in a league with some guppies, chances are strong they will have a cheat sheet with Bush ranked no lower than 12 and quite probably in the Top 10. If you want Bush, I'd say the chances are very high you'll need a Top 8-9 pick to get him regardless of the scoring system in your league. The sharks all know how valuable he is and the guppies will see his name ranked firmly in that first-round range. I really can't see him falling to the second round except in the rarest of drafts.

Here are the default rankings in Yahoo. Reggie is 17th. List of Players1. Tomlinson, L. (SD - RB)2. Jackson, S. (StL - RB)3. Johnson, L. (KC - RB)4. Alexander, S. (Sea - RB)5. Gore, F. (SF - RB)6. Parker, W. (Pit - RB)7. Addai, J. (Ind - RB)8. Johnson, R. (Cin - RB)9. Westbrook, B. (Phi - RB)10. Maroney, L. (NE - RB)11. Manning, P. (Ind - QB)12. Brown, R. (Mia - RB)13. Henry, T. (Den - RB)14. Portis, C. (Was - RB)15. Smith, S. (Car - WR)16. Jones-Drew, M. (Jac - RB)17. Bush, R. (NO - RB)18. Harrison, M. (Ind - WR)19. Johnson, C. (Cin - WR)20. McGahee, W. (Bal - RB)I think a lot of players in Yahoo leagues will follow this pretty close for the top 20 or so. I still think I might be able to get him in the early 2nd round.

 

[the spanker]

I just d'led the latest DD and these are the top picks it suggests...1. LT2. SJAX3. Westbrook4. Gore5. Addai6. Bush7. Willie Parker8. Torry Holt9. Steve Smith (Car)10. Travis Henry11. Ocho Cinco12. LJ13. TO14. Rudi Johnson15. MJDThat's a very interesting list to me. I'm in a PPR league. 4 pts per passing TD, 6 pts rushing and rec. TD, .1 pt per rushing yd, .04 per passing yd., .05 per rec. yd. 1 pt per rec.Very interesting, I think.

Remember, 50% do not repeat the following year. Review this list closely, there are some clear non-repeaters...

Clear non-repeaters? Who? Please enlighten us.

 

[packersfan]

If you have a late first round pick (which I do) I would be half tempted to pass on Reggie and try to get him on the way back in the second round because I don't think he is has high on the radar to most people. I think it depends on where he is being taken on average the day your draft rolls around.

That's a very risky strategy and one I'm not sure will pan out - even in a non-PPR league. My league is switching to PPR for the first time and I have the 11th pick and would love to see Bush there but I'm afraid it's a pipe dream. In a PPR league, I don't think you can argue against taking him Top 5 - especially now with LJ's status in question. But even if LJ returns you could make a strong argument for Bush fourth or fifth (with Westbrook going right before or after him). There's no reason to believe Bush's role in the offense will decline; in fact it's logical to assume it will increase. And when you consider how strongly he finished the season it shows how high his ceiling is even sharing time with McAllister. This is a guy who could drop 1,500 total yards, 80+ receptions and double-digit TDs without question. In any league that's valuable but in a PPR league that's golden. And in a league like switz's and mine which rewards big plays his value increases even more.I've yet to see too many sites, magazines etc. which have Bush ranked outside the first round (i.e. Top 12 among RBs) regardless of the scoring system. So even if you're in a league with some guppies, chances are strong they will have a cheat sheet with Bush ranked no lower than 12 and quite probably in the Top 10. If you want Bush, I'd say the chances are very high you'll need a Top 8-9 pick to get him regardless of the scoring system in your league. The sharks all know how valuable he is and the guppies will see his name ranked firmly in that first-round range. I really can't see him falling to the second round except in the rarest of drafts.

Here are the default rankings in Yahoo. Reggie is 17th. List of Players1. Tomlinson, L. (SD - RB)2. Jackson, S. (StL - RB)3. Johnson, L. (KC - RB)4. Alexander, S. (Sea - RB)5. Gore, F. (SF - RB)6. Parker, W. (Pit - RB)7. Addai, J. (Ind - RB)8. Johnson, R. (Cin - RB)9. Westbrook, B. (Phi - RB)10. Maroney, L. (NE - RB)11. Manning, P. (Ind - QB)12. Brown, R. (Mia - RB)13. Henry, T. (Den - RB)14. Portis, C. (Was - RB)15. Smith, S. (Car - WR)16. Jones-Drew, M. (Jac - RB)17. Bush, R. (NO - RB)18. Harrison, M. (Ind - WR)19. Johnson, C. (Cin - WR)20. McGahee, W. (Bal - RB)I think a lot of players in Yahoo leagues will follow this pretty close for the top 20 or so. I still think I might be able to get him in the early 2nd round.

I saw RotoWire has him outside the first round as well. Maybe there's more than I thought who rank him in that range. Given my position in my league I hope I'm proven wrong about that and Bush does fall. However, I'm still not going to count on it.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Bush has a chance to get 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in any given year, plus close to 100 catches. Even without TDs, that is 300 points in a PPR. I think he is gold in a PPR league.

I would definitely take him 3rd in a PPR league, especially a dynasty.

I don't think Bush has a chance in hell at reaching 1,000 yards rushing this year, but maybe that's just me. Bush is not a BAD pick in a PPR league, but he is really being overhyped based on his 88 catches last year. People forget that Deuce McAllister is RB1 in New Orleans and he gets everything that goes with it. Carries, rushing yardage, and rushing TDs. Bush is a Westbrook type player, but he is also just the RB2 in that offense. Keep that in mind.PS- 1,000 yards receiving is also highly unlikely.

This is great.Deuce had 10 rushing TD's in his RB1 role with everything that comes with it. The second most in his career.

Reggie Bush had 6 rushing TD's in his RB2 role. In his rookie year. He also added 2 receiving TD's.

So what you're saying here is that Deuce had more TDs than Bush. TDs: 10>6 (63/37)

Carries: 244>155 (61/39)

RuYards: 1057>565 (65/35)

Most importantly:

YPC: 4.3 > 3.6

Isn't 60% of the workload borderline featured RB material? Bush would have to improve across the board for this to even be a true "RBBC". How this guy can be considered a #3 OVERALL pick in any type of redraft league mystifies me. Other guys can catch the ball, and they WILL get traditional RB production to go along with that. Bush is all about potential, but to me it is all wishful thinking. We are not talking 3rd or 2nd round in this thread, we are talking TOP3 overall. That right there is HYPE.

That's what it's always been with this guy. Hype and potential for a guy who's had mediocre production in all but the weirdest league configurations. It's funny to me when people talk about Reggie Bush like he's the greatest running back ever but when Maurice Jones-Drew comes around people say he's overrated because he did everything Reggie Bush did better. I guess you can't have hypeocrisy without hype.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I have a PPR Dynasty start up draft Saturday.... I gaurantee hes gone be by pick 4.... either way; I have pick 7 which means I'm not getting him.

I recently traded up from #7 to #5 to take him in a new dynasty league.

As I called... #3 pick.. Reggie Bush..

 

[bcr8f]

Took him in PPR dynasty last year. Rudi/SJax at 1.12/2.01(martz hadn't been fired) and Bush 1.01 in rookie draft.

Looks good this year.

 

[GDogg]

Bush has a chance to get 1000 yards rushing and 1000 yards receiving in any given year, plus close to 100 catches. Even without TDs, that is 300 points in a PPR. I think he is gold in a PPR league.

I would definitely take him 3rd in a PPR league, especially a dynasty.

I don't think Bush has a chance in hell at reaching 1,000 yards rushing this year, but maybe that's just me. Bush is not a BAD pick in a PPR league, but he is really being overhyped based on his 88 catches last year. People forget that Deuce McAllister is RB1 in New Orleans and he gets everything that goes with it. Carries, rushing yardage, and rushing TDs. Bush is a Westbrook type player, but he is also just the RB2 in that offense. Keep that in mind.PS- 1,000 yards receiving is also highly unlikely.

This is great.Deuce had 10 rushing TD's in his RB1 role with everything that comes with it. The second most in his career.

Reggie Bush had 6 rushing TD's in his RB2 role. In his rookie year. He also added 2 receiving TD's.

So what you're saying here is that Deuce had more TDs than Bush. TDs: 10>6 (63/37)

Carries: 244>155 (61/39)

RuYards: 1057>565 (65/35)

Most importantly:

YPC: 4.3 > 3.6

Isn't 60% of the workload borderline featured RB material? Bush would have to improve across the board for this to even be a true "RBBC". How this guy can be considered a #3 OVERALL pick in any type of redraft league mystifies me. Other guys can catch the ball, and they WILL get traditional RB production to go along with that. Bush is all about potential, but to me it is all wishful thinking. We are not talking 3rd or 2nd round in this thread, we are talking TOP3 overall. That right there is HYPE.

Yes, I am saying that Deuce had more TD's than Bush. Your phrasing of the situation is what I found odd "...and everything that comes with it." You then followed it up with "...rushing TD's." He's not getting all the rushing TD's. Like I said, last year was Deuce's 2nd best season with TD's on the ground and he had 10. Bush was a rookie and ran in 6. Unless you think Deuce is going to expand his role and Bush's role is going to actually be reduced, I think it would be foolhardy to expect Deuce to actually increase his TD's this year and/or widen the gap between 10 TD's and Bush's 6 TD's.