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Guys, with Deuce saddled with an injury that takes 24 months to heal, coupled with the fact he sucked even before the injury, forget about drafting Deuce, Bush is the guy to get!!!! Bush is the best RB to come out of college in years and will beat out Deuce even if he wasnt injured, kinda of like what Randy Moss did to C. Carter and J. Reed, but dont take my word for it, watch these videos and make up your own mind. :thumbup:

 
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On board for 2 years running now. :thumbup:
me2(no dirty jokes)

I've been a huge Bush lover for what seems like eternity. I hate that I was assigned the low side for the bush face-off - it was really tough to come up with an argument against him.

It will take all my willpower not to draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round of every redraft I am in this year.

 
Guys, with Deuce saddled with an injury that takes 24 months to heal, coupled with the fact he sucked even before the injury, forget about drafting Deuce, Bush is the guy to get!!!! :thumbup:
:lmao: have fun

 
On board for 2 years running now. :thumbup:
me2(no dirty jokes)

I've been a huge Bush lover for what seems like eternity. I hate that I was assigned the low side for the bush face-off - it was really tough to come up with an argument against him.

It will take all my willpower not to draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round of every redraft I am in this year.
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How is that fishing? Edge and Jamal Lewis are the backs that came back the best from an ACL injury that I can remember and it took both of them a year before they were close to the backs they were befor the injury. I would stay away from Duece this year. Plus, even if he was healthy 3.6 yards per carry and 60 yards a game (what he was averaging last year) doesnt do it for me, but Im Sure ML, you'll jump in line to take a washed up RB (whos injured), just like last year when you traded me D. Davis for Cmart and packaged in Kevin Curtis for good measure. :thumbup:

 
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would you guys draft Bush in the top 5 in a brand new dynasty league (with 1 pt per reception scoring) I am seriously thinking about it...but its a $250 league. Not sure i have the B :shock: lls to take him there, but i want to...

 
would you guys draft Bush in the top 5 in a brand new dynasty league (with 1 pt per reception scoring) I am seriously thinking about it...but its a $250 league. Not sure i have the B :shock: lls to take him there, but i want to...
Yes, how is that a reach? FBG has him at 6, and he's better than Cadillac williams who is at 5, and I dont like SA's dynasty prospects for the next few seasons.
 
would you guys draft Bush in the top 5 in a brand new dynasty league (with 1 pt per reception scoring) I am seriously thinking about it...but its a $250 league. Not sure i have the B :shock: lls to take him there, but i want to...
Yes, how is that a reach? FBG has him at 6, and he's better than Cadillac williams who is at 5, and I dont like SA's dynasty prospects for the next few seasons.
He never said it was a reach.He said, would you guys draft bush top 5 in a new $250 dynasty league.

Answer, no, I'd take SJAX.

LJ/LT/SA/Portis go top 4. Who do you pick next?

Bush is not a reach, but picking a player top 5 in a new dynasty league who's never taken a snap is too risky for my blood. The PPR does make it tempting.

 
meh...

I am too late for most bandwagons (I never reply on time), so I guess I will join this one...with that said, it would not surprise me if his rookie year is his most productive ala Troy Edwards...not saying he will be that bad, I just think teams will figure out how to contain him.

 
How is that fishing? Edge and Jamal Lewis are the backs that came back the best from an ACL injury that I can remember and it took both of them a year before they were close to the backs they were befor the injury. I would stay away from Duece this year. Plus, even if he was healthy 3.6 yards per carry and 60 yards a game (what he was averaging last year) doesnt do it for me, but Im Sure ML, you'll jump in line to take a washed up RB (whos injured), just like last year when you traded me D. Davis for Cmart and packaged in Kevin Curtis for good measure. :thumbup:
I did?what league were we in?

 
would you guys draft Bush in the top 5 in a brand new dynasty league (with 1 pt per reception scoring) I am seriously thinking about it...but its a $250 league. Not sure i have the B :shock: lls to take him there, but i want to...
I'd take him top-1.
 
seriously?
This board, in case you havn't noticed, is Reggie Bush's private fan club. The man can do no wrong. If he has a terible 06 season, they will blame it on the fact that he's just a rookie. If he has consecutive bad seasons, they will blame it on sophmore slump. It will take 3 bad seasons for this board to ever uncup their hands around Bush's balls because in their mind, Bush is one of those players that you should induct into the hall of fame before he ever plays a down.
 
seriously?
This board, in case you havn't noticed, is Reggie Bush's private fan club. The man can do no wrong. If he has a terible 06 season, they will blame it on the fact that he's just a rookie. If he has consecutive bad seasons, they will blame it on sophmore slump. It will take 3 bad seasons for this board to ever uncup their hands around Bush's balls because in their mind, Bush is one of those players that you should induct into the hall of fame before he ever plays a down.
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well i wouldn't take him 1st, but if LJ, LT, Alexander, and Portis are gone, i think even a NON Bush homer can make a case for him at 1.5 in a 1 pt per reception league.

 
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Guys, with Deuce saddled with an injury that takes 24 months to heal, coupled with the fact he sucked even before the injury, forget about drafting Deuce, Bush is the guy to get!!!! :thumbup:

To say Deuce sucked before he got hurt is disingenuous. the guy is a heck of a player on a lousy team. There is not ONE back in football that I would rather get me short yardage if they were all running behind the same line. He also has moves and some speed. This injury may impact him or may not?

 
I've owned Duece since his rookie year in several dynasty leagues. I think any fan HAS to admit, he has NOT been a great back the last 2 years due to these injuries. Not saying he can't still become a top 5 back, but there is a reason he's going 3rd round in a lot of drafts now...i can remember when he was a top 5 pick easy.

 
I've owned Duece since his rookie year in several dynasty leagues. I think any fan HAS to admit, he has NOT been a great back the last 2 years due to these injuries. Not saying he can't still become a top 5 back, but there is a reason he's going 3rd round in a lot of drafts now...i can remember when he was a top 5 pick easy.
Yeah, it's called playing for a #### team.Not to make fun of you, but if you have owned him for so long, you should be able to spell his five letter name correctly.

 
On board for 2 years running now. :thumbup:
me2(no dirty jokes)

I've been a huge Bush lover for what seems like eternity. I hate that I was assigned the low side for the bush face-off - it was really tough to come up with an argument against him.

It will take all my willpower not to draft him in the 2nd or 3rd round of every redraft I am in this year.
Jokes are already written.
 
I think that I will wait until training camp and see Deuce looks before I jump on. Reggie sure looked small on the Espy Award Show.

 
Actually after watching those clips Reggie has more power than any one give him credit for. He ran through several arm tackles, ripped off a few hands that grabed his uni and even pounded when needed. Not saying he's the next Bus but he does what needed for the extra yard.

 
Actually after watching those clips Reggie has more power than any one give him credit for. He ran through several arm tackles, ripped off a few hands that grabed his uni and even pounded when needed. Not saying he's the next Bus but he does what needed for the extra yard.
This may be more physics than Bush's power - with the burst of speed he produces, he can break arm tackles - his ability to push hands off of his body, however, is all Reggie.He DID have runs between the tackles for tough yards - it wasn't all speed and cuts to the outside - his movement when hitting the LOS between the tackles was very impressive, too. Reminiscent of Priest between the tackles, actually. Those quick cuts to the hole and getting through before the LB could cover up were unique.

 
LOL at Noel Divine being in that one clip what happened to his punk ### any who?
He had another incredible year and a new highlight vid was released. He'll be a senior at N Ft. Myers next year. He opened last season with a 15 carry 245 yard 5 TD effort, and ended the season with a 20 carry 398 yard 4 TD effort. Various sites list him as the #1-3 recruit in the country, clearly the top RB. He's already received offers fro FSU and Nebraska, while expressing interest in USC, Texas, Miami Fl, Georgia and Florida. He grew and inch to 5-8 last season and played about 5 pounds heavier at 175. There is rumor that he's up another inch and will play at 185 this year.

 
LOL at Noel Divine being in that one clip what happened to his punk ### any who?
He had another incredible year and a new highlight vid was released. He'll be a senior at N Ft. Myers next year. He opened last season with a 15 carry 245 yard 5 TD effort, and ended the season with a 20 carry 398 yard 4 TD effort. Various sites list him as the #1-3 recruit in the country, clearly the top RB. He's already received offers fro FSU and Nebraska, while expressing interest in USC, Texas, Miami Fl, Georgia and Florida. He grew and inch to 5-8 last season and played about 5 pounds heavier at 175. There is rumor that he's up another inch and will play at 185 this year.
Sweet, let's hope a talent like that gets his head on straight... b/c I think he gave up a pretty good opportunity with Deion.
 
:hey:

Been aboard for a very very long time. 619 San Diego time. I'm probably going to do something perceived as enormously foolish to secure him in one league.

 
I'm not going to say that his career is going to be like a Ron Dayne or Tony Mandarich type "bust", but I believe that he will not meet expectations.

Additionally this board is way too full of praise for a guy who shared his college backfield and who has zero touches in the NFL.

 
Additionally this board is way too full of praise for a guy who shared his college backfield and who has zero touches in the NFL.
This board is way too full of praise for a lot of players. That said, Bush is a great prospect and a rare specimen. There's no doubt that he will be an impact player.

 
Additionally this board is way too full of praise for a guy who shared his college backfield and who has zero touches in the NFL.
This board is way too full of praise for a lot of players. That said, Bush is a great prospect and a rare specimen. There's no doubt that he will be an impact player.
Another time I'm in 100% agreement with EBF - this is becoming a habit this year.Anyone who soesn't understand Bush praise, also must have failed to understand Fitzgerald, Vick, Edge James, Manning (both of them), and Faulk love when they came out.

Rare talent - clear impact players. It is hard to see anything except injury causing bush to bust.

 
:clap: to jurb26 for working the driving smilie into this thread instead of using the :shortbus: clique smilie
 
I understand the potential of both Bush and White, and I also understand the complete lopsidedness of the board's love for Bush.

LenDale White had nearly identical Fantasy Football stats at USC over the last two years, and White broke USC rushing records over his college career [those of heralded NFL Hall of Famers], and yet ... there's not the same board love for him at all!

Is the lack of love simply because White had a pulled a muscle for the combine? Is it because he isn't pimping himself? I'd like to know an unemotional, factual explanation ...

From a Footballguys.com Staff perspective, I will admit that Marc Levin has ranked the two of these fine rookie RB's reasonably amongst the other NFL RB's and also reasonably compared with one another, but he is clearly in the minority on the Staff. Some Staff have Bush ranked over 20 places higher!

With the instability and unknowns associated with both RB's new NFL situations I cannot fathom a reasonable explanation for this sort of ranking or board love discrepancy, and I would welcome any thoughtful explanation.

 
I understand the potential of both Bush and White, and I also understand the complete lopsidedness of the board's love for Bush.

LenDale White had nearly identical Fantasy Football stats at USC over the last two years, and White broke USC rushing records over his college career [those of heralded NFL Hall of Famers], and yet ... there's not the same board love for him at all!

Is the lack of love simply because White had a pulled a muscle for the combine? Is it because he isn't pimping himself? I'd like to know an unemotional, factual explanation ...

From a Footballguys.com Staff perspective, I will admit that Marc Levin has ranked the two of these fine rookie RB's reasonably amongst the other NFL RB's and also reasonably compared with one another, but he is clearly in the minority on the Staff. Some Staff have Bush ranked over 20 places higher!

With the instability and unknowns associated with both RB's new NFL situations I cannot fathom a reasonable explanation for this sort of ranking or board love discrepancy, and I would welcome any thoughtful explanation.
I saw a lot of USC last year and am relatively optimistic about both of these players. However, I think the discrepancy in their perceived value is warranted for several reasons:1. Bush was a top 2 pick whereas White was a second round pick. RBs chosen in the early part of round one have typically had a higher success rate than RBs chosen in round two.

2. By all accounts, Bush is a hard worker who has committed himself to maximizing his ability. No one doubts that White has talent, but his work ethic has been questioned by a variety of sources.

3. White did not run or perform any of the significant drills prior to the draft, whereas Bush posted a 4.33 40 and a 40.5" vertical leap. Those are elite marks.

4. Bush is rated higher by every single scouting service and draft preview that I've seen.

I think LenDale White is a nice prospect who offers good value in most drafts. However, he is not the mortal lock that Reggie Bush appears to be. His work ethic and athletic ability are questionable.

 
EBF,

I appreciate your thoughtful response.

As a rebuttal I would say that 1) and 4) are pretty much not helpful in assessing things for me especially as it pertains to whether Bush or any other 1st Round pick will actually perform in the NFL. The data from NFL drafts and the data from scouting is a risky assessment proposition, and the same sorts of data and sources came up praising the "busts" like QB, Tim Couch, QB, Ryan Leaf, RB, Ki-jana Carter and OT, Tony Mandarich. For every clear "winner" there is going to be 4 or 5 clear "busts".

As a rebuttal to 3) you are basically saying that because Bush was outstanding and because White could not perform, then clearly he should get the nod. I think that it is good to state that Bush did well, but knocking White because he had a bad hammy and could not go is not sound to me.

I think that your 2) below actually holds the most weight in the discussion and I appreciate your summary of the point. It is clear that Bush has viewed his potential NFL career as a financial stepping stone for his family and he has shown he has been willing to back that up in many ways.

I'm not sure of the multiple sources you are referencing about White's lack of commitment to working hard and to being fit. He apparently came from poverty and has a lot to gain by a successful NFL career as well. I would ask though, do you think that it is possible that the sources are incorrect? I personally have a hard time imagining how a guy can rack up more than 900 yards rushing after initial contact in a single season without having worked hard to be physically fit ...

 

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