Chaser1439
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I just traded for Reggie Bush and I am pretty excited about the rest of his season! In an attempt to keep this thread clean and coherent I ask that all haters refrain from posting!
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Reggie Bush MANCRUSH thread: (1 Viewer)
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thehornet
Footballguy
run into the Oline or directly out of bounds like he has been doing all year?
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Chaser1439
Footballguy
I am in a point per reception league. I am happy the Saints are on a bye so they can get their offense worked out! Bush is a huge add to my team. I will start Bush and put LJ on my bench. Come playoff time when I have Bush and LJ I will be sitting pretty.
If Bush can still walk...I am quite pessimistic about his chances. The guy cannot run around the edges, still spends too much time dancing, and is afraid of contact. I think he's going to have a long season if he's not out by week 10.Edit to add: And if I were in a PPR league, I'd try to move him ASAP on his name. His value (catching passes out of the backfield) could take a serious hit if he's asked to shoulder the running between the tackles load. Stecker would then be the 3rd down back taking his valuable catches.
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thehornet
Footballguy
what did you give up to get him? Bush is supremely overrated so I hope it wasn't much. Reggie Bush is quickly showing that he will not be a strong NFL RB. To be a Westbrook typ back is where Bush's aspirations should lie. If he can become 50% of the back westbrook is, then he should be happy. Reggie Bush is not who we thought Reggie Bush was.
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FFFanaticc
Footballguy
I agree. And to me, Bush looks like he is a step slower this year. I just do not see the explosion like he had last year and at USC (granted, facing lesser talent).A buddy of mine was wondering if he added some weight trying to be a more complete back, but it instead cost him some of his trademark explosiveness.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I love how everyone assumes that they are going to change to a single back system now that Deuce us gone. I would be willing to bet that Bush doesn't get more than half the carries this week. He will have more than half the touches, but I think the carries are going to be split with the rest of the backs....
Phurfur
Footballguy
I was not aware that he was slated to play every down. Where is this coming from? Is there a link?
thehornet
Footballguy
Based on what?
I'd be willing to bet that Bush doesn't get any carries, or touches, this week.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
The OP's excitement level?
CA_7
Footballguy
Bush was on Sirius yesterday and was of course very positive about carrying the load full-time. They talked about him running out of bounds and I actually agree that it is wise for two reasons:
1. Extends his career by not taking unnecessary contact for 1-2 yards (see Shaun Alexander)
2. As has a rep for doing this, every now and then he can bust it back in and get big gains (if you believe he has breakaway speed still)
Funny thing at the end, the asked him if it was good to play against LenDale. He said "Yea, we are like brothers, real tight. But I asked him what happened to him because the guy has put on some pounds".
1. Extends his career by not taking unnecessary contact for 1-2 yards (see Shaun Alexander)
2. As has a rep for doing this, every now and then he can bust it back in and get big gains (if you believe he has breakaway speed still)
Funny thing at the end, the asked him if it was good to play against LenDale. He said "Yea, we are like brothers, real tight. But I asked him what happened to him because the guy has put on some pounds".
thehornet
Footballguy
In that case, I agree....
Gopher State
Footballguy
He have to learn to run between the tackles for this to happen, and I question if he can handle 20 carries a game with all the dancing etc., he does. I would say sell HIGH NOW on Reggie.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
He's definitely the best decoy in the league
thehornet
Footballguy
It is wise to run out of bounds for the sake of his career??? Am i missing something here!!! This guy was paid to run the football NOW, to say nothing of the fact that the Saints gave him the most lucrative rookie contract in the history of the league. Yet, he wants to run out of bounds before the slightest inkling on contact so he can play a few more years!!! Audacity I say. Instead of acting like a prima donna, start playing football like someone who has something to prove. I personally think he should stop dancing around like a ballarina and prove something to his teammates, his coach, his fans and mostly to himself.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I would agree. Bush's value may be the highest it can be. If he goes out after the bye and gets 10 carries, 6 receptions and has the same Yards per Carry and Catch he has had all season even if he gets into the endzone his value will drop....His value is high simply because he has not yet "carried the load" which I don't think he will do...
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm a big Bush fan, but I'm tempering expectations. But it's not because I have doubts of Bush's talents.
Rather that whole team is a mess. And it starts at the O-line and QB. Brees is so bad this year he is getting his players injured with his inability to throw a simple lob pass with any accuracy.
Until Brees can sort it out, that whole offense is just out of sync.
As far as folks who doubt Bush can take the full load, what is this based on? He has never been seriously injured. He doesn't take himself out of games. He doesn't get hit hard and take awhile to get up.
Is this simply an assumption bc he was in a RBBC at USC with another first round talent RB? Or that he shared the load with an All Pro 1st round RB in the NFL?
Just because Bush was in those situations doesn't mean he automatically can't handle 20 carries a game. People talk as if he is some sort of fragile porcelain mouse. He's still an NFL RB. He's 6' 200 lbs.
The guy Bush always reminds me of is Thurman Thomas. His 5'10 200 lbs frame held up well.
Rather that whole team is a mess. And it starts at the O-line and QB. Brees is so bad this year he is getting his players injured with his inability to throw a simple lob pass with any accuracy.
Until Brees can sort it out, that whole offense is just out of sync.
As far as folks who doubt Bush can take the full load, what is this based on? He has never been seriously injured. He doesn't take himself out of games. He doesn't get hit hard and take awhile to get up.
Is this simply an assumption bc he was in a RBBC at USC with another first round talent RB? Or that he shared the load with an All Pro 1st round RB in the NFL?
Just because Bush was in those situations doesn't mean he automatically can't handle 20 carries a game. People talk as if he is some sort of fragile porcelain mouse. He's still an NFL RB. He's 6' 200 lbs.
The guy Bush always reminds me of is Thurman Thomas. His 5'10 200 lbs frame held up well.
EBF
Footballguy
I think he'll do well. A lot of the people who bash him aren't that familiar with his game. I watched him a lot in college and am pretty confident that he'll do well with a heavy load of carries. His strength is pretty underrated and he has the nimble feet and quick first step needed to slam it up the middle. He's not a a power back, but he has enough leg strength to get by. In terms of build, playing style, and potential he's similar to Tiki Barber.
It might be tough to find running room if Brees continues to struggle, but I expect Reggie to capitalize on this opportunity assuming that the Saints give him the ball 15-20 times instead of messing around with Stecker or Thomas.
I think this season has been a reality check for Bush. He has been on easy street for the past few years. He played on monster teams at USC that steamrolled almost all of their opponents. His Saints team went to the NFC championship game. Things have just been too easy for him. Now he's facing some adversity and I expect him to respond.
It might be tough to find running room if Brees continues to struggle, but I expect Reggie to capitalize on this opportunity assuming that the Saints give him the ball 15-20 times instead of messing around with Stecker or Thomas.
I think this season has been a reality check for Bush. He has been on easy street for the past few years. He played on monster teams at USC that steamrolled almost all of their opponents. His Saints team went to the NFC championship game. Things have just been too easy for him. Now he's facing some adversity and I expect him to respond.
thehornet
Footballguy
fyi - Westbrook already did this.
Arnold. S
Footballguy
Bush is not as good as he's advertised to be by the media, but he's a smart player who's also extremely physically gifted. As long as the game plan for the Saints is legit, Bush should put up very good numbers rest of the year, WITH Stecker and/or Thomas getting some carries.
The Draft Robot
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
I agree. It would be revolutionary for Bush to re-define the role of a RB as a guy sitting on his couch watching games. That would be something.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
why, because Brian Westbrook catches the ball out of the backfield? as a rookie, Reggie had more receptions and receiving yards than Westbrook has had in any season.
3nOut
Footballguy
Why does everyone question his ability to run between the tackles? Didn't he score his second TD easily down the middle? Just because he's ner HAD to run between the tackles (in collegs as well), doesn't mean he never did and that he CAN'T. Bottom line is noone knows becuase he hasn't had the chance to do so regularly. In a way, the postive side of Deuce getting hurt (not that I wanted him to - i'm deuce owner) is that he got hurt early in the season and it gives NO a chance to see how Bush handles "being the man".
I have Bush as my RB2 in a PPR, so I am OK with him so far. Now, that said, New Orleans has looked atrocious, but that may get better. They played the 3-0 Colts, 2-1 Titans (lost to Colts) and 2-1 Tampa Bay, who have given up only 15 points per game. They unfortunately don't get the Lions, Giants, Browns or Bengals, but the rest of the schedule seems a little better including 7 home games to 6 road ones.I hope he does well and I think that he will improve, but who knows how much. In PPR leagues, his 5+ receptions per game make up for a good amount of lack of production.
3nOut
Footballguy
How old are you? Have you never seen Barry Sanders play? I'm not comparing Bush to sanders but in a way they have certain similarities. Sanders woould get stopped behind the line of scrimmage quite often because of his "dancing" but he made everyone look foolish when he was able to break out into the open. I think Bush has that same explosiveness and game-breaking ability.
I said the exact same thing in the Bush thread earlier this week. No one really knows what Bush will do with Deuce out because he has played 0 games and 0 practices that way, this year and last year. He could fail miserably, or he could do better because he can actually practice running the ball every down with the 1st team. How many reps as the "regular" RB has he had in NO?
Moe Green
Footballguy
be.careful.or.you're.going.to.get.another.timeout.again.and.we.don't.want.that.to.happen
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
Have you seen Reggie Bush play? Sure he can dance and move like Sanders in the open field but a blind Barry Sanders would have better awareness and vision than Bush has at this point in his career. Its ugly to watch him run, he runs into his blockers, makes the wrong cuts, and misses holes. The RB position is not always about who has the better juke moves or speed....sometimes all you need is to be patient and make the smart move...but Bush is young and the season is only 3 games in so we'll see what happens
W1cked
Footballguy
Barry Sanders was dropped for a loss allot in his career... true. Barry had powerful legs and could break tackles if he wasn't making u miss all together. Bush goes down if anyone breathes on him. Barry didn't dance nearly as much as Bush does... he would allot of times cut back or reverse the direction of the play to make things happen with a terrible Lions OL. Bush dances around then runs up the backs of his OL.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I have Bush too in 3 leagues, but not that crazy he will be the main RB. This will wear him down or get him hurt faster since he's not used to it yet or possible not able to carry the load with that bad OL.
I agree. Barry Sanders may have been dropped for a loss a lot but he also had a ton of 20-80 yard carries. Bush's longest career carry to this point is 18 yards, which is ridiculous. To his credit he has some long TDs receiving and some long returns, but I haven't seen the jaw dropping moves from him on the ground to put him in the same neighborhood as Barry Sanders.Barry routinely spun out of tackles, broke arm tackles, and left defenders quite literally grasping at air. Barry also almost never was taken down one-on-one or took a big hit from a defender; Bush has displayed nowhere near those moves at this point in his career. To be honest with you, he reminds me a lot more of Lawrence Phillips running the ball.
Yeah, seems the problem is that there's only one Barry Sanders. I don't know if Phillips is a better comparison, but I'm sure we can think of a scat-back type without the ridiculous sense of balance, low center of gravity, and incredible vision of Barry Sanders. I traded for Reggie before last week hoping to buy low, my expectations have gone up with McAllister's unfortunate injury, but I would really like to see more north-south running out of Bush...
Pound
Footballguy
Lawrence Phillips with a bit of Kijana Carter mixed in? Ok maybe thats taking it too far
and sometimes you just need someone on your team to actually make a block.I really can't pass any judgment on any Saints skill players yet because their line and blocking has been so horrendous this year.It wouldn't matter if Brady, Moss, and Barry Sanders were there, they'd be getting swarmed the minute the ball was snapped too.The Saints, as a team, are in disarray right now. Their blocking has been about the worst in the NFL and because they've been pressing, their playcalling has been very suspect. If ever a team needed an early bye week, this is it.and it is a shame that Bush is being compared to Barry Sanders. It's unfair to both of them.
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
Reggie Bush should use this bye weeks to watch tapes of Tiki Barber, and then apply the lessons he has learned next week. With his raw talent, he would have a Hall-of-Fame career if he would go to school on how Tiki read and set up his blocks, timed his cuts, and used his agility to spin off tacklers for extra yardage. All aquirable skills
Reggie, if you're reading: watch Tiki Barber tapes over the weekend!
Reggie, if you're reading: watch Tiki Barber tapes over the weekend!
tombonneau
Footballguy
I think you hit the nail on the head with the line play and the playcalling. Payton has been calling the game like he's playing in the MAC. Too cute for his own good. He just needs to line his boys up and put a hat on a hat and see what happens.Someone else posted the thought somewhere that the league is now prepared and ready for all his cute little gimmick plays and its just not the same as 07.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Maybe the best analogy thus far....
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
You forget how scary a beefed up Metcalf in his prime might have been.Maybe the best analogy thus far....
happy_donut
Footballguy
I think I'd rather have a bag of Freedom Fries.If Deuce can't produce behind that line, I don't expect a lesser back to do any better. Go get the Steckers and the Pierre's from the WW and tell yourself you've caught lightning in a bottle. Then sit him on your bench and start your real players.And don't forget to congratulate the guy who did get lightning in a bottle. You'll get it one day. Happens every year.Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Saints turn it around. I just don't think inspiration is coming off the bench.
The FACT is that nobody KNOWS how he'll do as a Feature RB. If you go by what the FACTS are, the ONE GAME that he had 20 Carries, he had 20-126 6.3 1TD , so what has actually happened, and what most of you think are opposites.
Now obviously, one game isn't enough to make a judgement on. But neither is watching him for 5 or 6 carries in a game. I think the point of him being in the game all the time as opposed to certain "Packages" is important. Instead of Teams knowing that when he's in the backfield, he's getting the ball, He'll ALWAYS be in the backfield. So they won't be sure.
Let's not forget that he's BIGGER than Tiki Barber was and he has no history of injury. He's still a threat to score from ANYWHERE on the field. Regardless of what SOME on here say. The facts are that Bush is a big play threat. Ask the Chicago Bears.
He can get 10 carries in the first half for 25 yards and score from 80 yards on his first carry of the 2nd half. In Fantasy, who cares? Points are points. Reggie Bush is a great BUY LOW candidate.
Interesting Fact - Coming int othe Year, Bush had 20 total Carries up the Middle. So, we don't know what he can actually do.
Now obviously, one game isn't enough to make a judgement on. But neither is watching him for 5 or 6 carries in a game. I think the point of him being in the game all the time as opposed to certain "Packages" is important. Instead of Teams knowing that when he's in the backfield, he's getting the ball, He'll ALWAYS be in the backfield. So they won't be sure.
Let's not forget that he's BIGGER than Tiki Barber was and he has no history of injury. He's still a threat to score from ANYWHERE on the field. Regardless of what SOME on here say. The facts are that Bush is a big play threat. Ask the Chicago Bears.
He can get 10 carries in the first half for 25 yards and score from 80 yards on his first carry of the 2nd half. In Fantasy, who cares? Points are points. Reggie Bush is a great BUY LOW candidate.
Interesting Fact - Coming int othe Year, Bush had 20 total Carries up the Middle. So, we don't know what he can actually do.
I don't recall ever using "lightning in a bottle" in describing Thomas. I said "go get him". In my league (12 teams, 2RB, 4WR/TE, TE, Flex) if your touching the ball even a few times every week, you've got major value. My reasoning behind my plea to pick him up is that he WILL be carrying the ball enough to roster him. Bush will not be asked to take all of Mac's touches, Stecker is too valuable on special teams, and Thomas has the frame and so far proven he has talent (albeit preseason). No, I'm not saying he's going to outplay my "real players" but if you can afford to ignore a guy that will carry the ball on a weekly basis and get considerable looks in the red zone, then your team must be looking pretty good. Side note- Are we really ready to claim that the NO offense won't figure this out and get at least close to last year's form?
