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I don't know what you can thumbs down about, other Bush's own actions. If Bush violated the NCAA rules then he has to have it stripped. Young would already have an * by it since he didn't get the big ceremony and acclaim of it all. I really like Bush, I'm a SoCal guy. And I don't want to see him lose it but the rules are the rules.What would be horrific is if they yanked a title from the team. Things seem to be unraveling for USC a bit. Completely unfounded but perhaps a mini collapse puts Carroll in SD.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Pros can`t win the Heisman.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Only way I could see this happening is if AJ Smith was fired and Carroll was given the role of HC and GMI don't know what you can thumbs down about, other Bush's own actions. If Bush violated the NCAA rules then he has to have it stripped. Young would already have an * by it since he didn't get the big ceremony and acclaim of it all. I really like Bush, I'm a SoCal guy. And I don't want to see him lose it but the rules are the rules.What would be horrific is if they yanked a title from the team. Things seem to be unraveling for USC a bit. Completely unfounded but perhaps a mini collapse puts Carroll in SD.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
All big schools do it. Don't be an SC hater.Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Well you do have that one in a row national championshipsObviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Some big schools do it. Some don't.All big schools do it. Don't be an SC hater.Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
lolAll big schools do it. Don't be an SC hater.Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
That much is true.He earned it.
I took a sports law class from Cornwell in law school. He used to be with the general counsel's office for the NFL, and then worked with Leigh Steinberg before he left to work for Upper Deck, and then went out on his own. The guy's very, very good.The facts seem pretty decent for Bush. This is basically the same story the same reporters were touting last year, and it went nowhere.Calls to Bush's attorney, David Cornwell, were not immediately returned.Cornwell said in January that he and his clients no longer would be taking part in the "media frenzy" surrounding the running back.
I do not care.
If this evidence is what the story says it is, and the NCAA gets their hands on it, they won't have that for long.Well you do have that one in a row national championshipsObviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Cool. What position did you play?Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Until the colleges/NCAA stop making millions of dollars off these athletes without paying them a salary, I have no problem with a (usually poor/broke) college student finding a way to market themselves as a way to make money. Not every student athlete will be able to do it, but for the ones that can, more power to them. Isn't that a good business skill to learn while in college anyways? As long as they aren't shaving points or throwing games, there is no reason they should not be allowed to receive endorsements. Now if the NCAA lowered ticket prices, reduced the number of commericals on TV, and stopped blackmailing half of there season ticket holders for large donations or the threat of losing their tickets, i might have a little more sympathy for their cause. Don't act so greedy and then expect your athletes not to. Lead by example, not as a "do what I say, not what i do" type mentality.Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
All the cheaters do it.Strip the Heisman. Strip the National Championship. Take away 25 scholarships. Take away recruiting visits. Keep the staff from being able to jump ship and set up their scam at another NCAA school.All big schools do it. Don't be an SC hater.Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
How do you know he wouldn't shave points or throw a game or fake an injury if the price was right? He has already "allegedly" shown a propensity to bend/break the rules for cash.Until the colleges/NCAA stop making millions of dollars off these athletes without paying them a salary, I have no problem with a (usually poor/broke) college student finding a way to market themselves as a way to make money. Not every student athlete will be able to do it, but for the ones that can, more power to them. Isn't that a good business skill to learn while in college anyways? As long as they aren't shaving points or throwing games, there is no reason they should not be allowed to receive endorsements.Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Now if the NCAA lowered ticket prices, reduced the number of commericals on TV, and stopped blackmailing half of there season ticket holders for large donations or the threat of losing their tickets, i might have a little more sympathy for their cause. Don't act so greedy and then expect your athletes not to. Lead by example, not as a "do what I say, not what i do" type mentality.
LOL....keep up the hate. You're just one of many that had their throats stepped on by mighty Troy!Well you do have that one in a row national championshipsObviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
1996-1998 I played free safety for Coach John Robinson for a year and then another two years playing for Coach Paul Hackett. I played more special teams than anything else. But, nonetheless, I am a Trojan for life!Cool. What position did you play?Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
You write like it's a "fact" that Bush accepted gifts/money.Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Spoken like a true Trojan fan. I live in LA and have been rooting for SC since McKay was coach. I just tell it like it is. The truth shall prevail.Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
A street thug Bush acknowledges he's known most of his life.If nothing else, SC and Bush were pretty stupid for allowing agents to hang around the program and be on the field for games (such as Mike Ornstein).You write like it's a "fact" that Bush accepted gifts/money.Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
At this point it's nothing more than a convicted low life felon spewing from his rotten mouth. The accuser is a punk ### street thug.
Petros disagrees with your "we" comment. Not that he's the authority or anything.1996-1998 I played free safety for Coach John Robinson for a year and then another two years playing for Coach Paul Hackett. I played more special teams than anything else. But, nonetheless, I am a Trojan for life!Cool. What position did you play?Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
While true in general, I doubt Bush would've been able to fake an injury or shave points while simultaneously winning the Heisman. In this particular instance, I dont think cheating would apply.How do you know he wouldn't shave points or throw a game or fake an injury if the price was right? He has already "allegedly" shown a propensity to bend/break the rules for cash.Until the colleges/NCAA stop making millions of dollars off these athletes without paying them a salary, I have no problem with a (usually poor/broke) college student finding a way to market themselves as a way to make money. Not every student athlete will be able to do it, but for the ones that can, more power to them. Isn't that a good business skill to learn while in college anyways? As long as they aren't shaving points or throwing games, there is no reason they should not be allowed to receive endorsements.Bush won it, but Vince deserved it. He's proven that much already. Either way, Bush should not have been eligible to win it given how his greedy ### was taking $280,000 from these people while still in school. He has a lot of gall, and now he's just thumbing his nose at the NCAA. Whether Vince gets it or not, Bush sure as hell does not deserve to be listed as a Heisman winner. It's amazing to me how nobody on here seems to care. I mean we're talking over a quarter of a million dollars that he took in violation of NCAA rules. It's a total joke that nothing has come from it. Rhett Bomar took something like $15,000 and basically lost his career. It's not right that Bush just seems able to get away with anything.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
Now if the NCAA lowered ticket prices, reduced the number of commericals on TV, and stopped blackmailing half of there season ticket holders for large donations or the threat of losing their tickets, i might have a little more sympathy for their cause. Don't act so greedy and then expect your athletes not to. Lead by example, not as a "do what I say, not what i do" type mentality.
If they had voted at the end of the year I think VY might have won.VY may get it by default, but it will have a * next to it. We all know Bush won that.![]()
I know P.....we were teammates....."The P" is a blowhard. He was a geat teammate, but the guy is very needy and craves attention.Petros disagrees with your "we" comment. Not that he's the authority or anything.1996-1998 I played free safety for Coach John Robinson for a year and then another two years playing for Coach Paul Hackett. I played more special teams than anything else. But, nonetheless, I am a Trojan for life!Cool. What position did you play?Obviously, USC has been putting the BEAT-DOWN on your little ball club for quite some time. Get over it.......we're (yes Sir..."we're") just better than you. Fight On!Certainly this is not a surprise. SC players have been doing this for years.
Does anyone hear think VY did not collect some serious cash while he was at Texas......From PFTOSTED 10:12 a.m. EDT, October 10, 2007UNCLE RICO TO GET HIS HEISMAN AFTER ALL?In a recent interview with 60 Minutes (which, coincidentally, was the answer he selected on the Wonderlic question that asked "how much time is there in a half of an hour?"), Titans quarterback Vince Young said that he was angry about not winning the Heisman Trophy in 2005. As it turns out, Vince might get the sculpture with the guy giving the stiff arm with his shoulder so far out in front of his center of gravity that he'd crumple like a cardboard box if he ever actually made contact.Per the Los Angeles Times and Yahoo! Sports, one of the proprietors of New Era Sports & Entertainment will cooperate with the NCAA's still-ongoing investigation into the question of whether 2005 Heisman winner Reggie Bush received improper benefits while still eligible to play football at USC.Lloyd Lake reportedly will meet with the NCAA and produce financial records and other proof that connects Bush and his family to nearly $280,000 in benefits received during Bush's college football career.Per Yahoo!, Bush settled with New Era co-founder Michael Michaels for an amount north of 200 large and south of 300. A mediation (i.e., an out-of-court settlement meeting presided over by a neutral lawyer with no authority to issue rulings or make decisions) between Bush and Lake was conducted in June, but no agreement could be reached. Lake reportedly plans to file suit this month. But Lake has been reportedly planning to file suit since April 2006. Sooner or later,he's going to bump up against the applicable California statute of limitations.The Michaels settlement reportedly prevents him from speaking to the NCAA, a fact that further underscores the woeful inadequacy of the NCAA's ability to investigate matters of this nature.Indeed, the leak of the present story might simply have been an effort by Lake and lawyer Brian Watkins to get Bush and lawyer David Cornwell to budge from their final offer at mediation. If that happens, and if Lake agrees to the same confidentiality provision that Michaels accepted, Lake ultimately won't be sitting down with the NCAA.And if that happens, Congress or someone with real juice needs to get involved. Otherwise, any supposedly amateur athlete will be able to receive money and other benefits in violation of the rules, and then later buy silence from the folks from whom he received the money.But it's possible that Lake has decided that he won't settle his claim. Yahoo! writes that Lake and Michaels were angered by September 13 remarks from Bush on ESPN's Outside the Lines, during which Bush reiterated his belief that he was the victim of an extortion attempt. Per Yahoo!, the FBI looked into lawyer David Cornwell's allegation of extortion and decided not to pursue the matter.Interestingly, ESPN televised Bush's remarks despite a threat (some might call it "extortion") from Bush's people that Reggie would not cooperate with ESPN in the future if the segment was aired.So if Lake is upset and it's no longer about the money, then perhaps Lake won't agree to settle. And, if that happens, Vince Young might eventually get his hands on the Heisman
Of course he did; he probably just had the good sense to follow through with his promises...Does anyone hear think VY did not collect some serious cash while he was at Texas......From PFTOSTED 10:12 a.m. EDT, October 10, 2007UNCLE RICO TO GET HIS HEISMAN AFTER ALL?In a recent interview with 60 Minutes (which, coincidentally, was the answer he selected on the Wonderlic question that asked "how much time is there in a half of an hour?"), Titans quarterback Vince Young said that he was angry about not winning the Heisman Trophy in 2005. As it turns out, Vince might get the sculpture with the guy giving the stiff arm with his shoulder so far out in front of his center of gravity that he'd crumple like a cardboard box if he ever actually made contact.Per the Los Angeles Times and Yahoo! Sports, one of the proprietors of New Era Sports & Entertainment will cooperate with the NCAA's still-ongoing investigation into the question of whether 2005 Heisman winner Reggie Bush received improper benefits while still eligible to play football at USC.Lloyd Lake reportedly will meet with the NCAA and produce financial records and other proof that connects Bush and his family to nearly $280,000 in benefits received during Bush's college football career.Per Yahoo!, Bush settled with New Era co-founder Michael Michaels for an amount north of 200 large and south of 300. A mediation (i.e., an out-of-court settlement meeting presided over by a neutral lawyer with no authority to issue rulings or make decisions) between Bush and Lake was conducted in June, but no agreement could be reached. Lake reportedly plans to file suit this month. But Lake has been reportedly planning to file suit since April 2006. Sooner or later,he's going to bump up against the applicable California statute of limitations.The Michaels settlement reportedly prevents him from speaking to the NCAA, a fact that further underscores the woeful inadequacy of the NCAA's ability to investigate matters of this nature.Indeed, the leak of the present story might simply have been an effort by Lake and lawyer Brian Watkins to get Bush and lawyer David Cornwell to budge from their final offer at mediation. If that happens, and if Lake agrees to the same confidentiality provision that Michaels accepted, Lake ultimately won't be sitting down with the NCAA.And if that happens, Congress or someone with real juice needs to get involved. Otherwise, any supposedly amateur athlete will be able to receive money and other benefits in violation of the rules, and then later buy silence from the folks from whom he received the money.But it's possible that Lake has decided that he won't settle his claim. Yahoo! writes that Lake and Michaels were angered by September 13 remarks from Bush on ESPN's Outside the Lines, during which Bush reiterated his belief that he was the victim of an extortion attempt. Per Yahoo!, the FBI looked into lawyer David Cornwell's allegation of extortion and decided not to pursue the matter.Interestingly, ESPN televised Bush's remarks despite a threat (some might call it "extortion") from Bush's people that Reggie would not cooperate with ESPN in the future if the segment was aired.So if Lake is upset and it's no longer about the money, then perhaps Lake won't agree to settle. And, if that happens, Vince Young might eventually get his hands on the Heisman
Why? I can understand if Reggie was driving a tricked out Escalade and wearing a ton of gold jewelry but I am not sure the staff would keep tabs on where his parents were living.I just hope USC doesn't get a free pass from this. I have a hard time believing that the football program didn't know.
they need to. this is the ncaa after all and god forbid a player get some money after making them millions.Why? I can understand if Reggie was driving a tricked out Escalade and wearing a ton of gold jewelry but I am not sure the staff would keep tabs on where his parents were living.I just hope USC doesn't get a free pass from this. I have a hard time believing that the football program didn't know.
All that money didnt go to housing his family for 2 years... I am sure Bush was spending some on his wants. And Yes USC should be keeping tabs on this stuff. Failing to follow up on your players is just as bad as letting anything go.Why? I can understand if Reggie was driving a tricked out Escalade and wearing a ton of gold jewelry but I am not sure the staff would keep tabs on where his parents were living.I just hope USC doesn't get a free pass from this. I have a hard time believing that the football program didn't know.