Reggie Bush to Miami (1 Viewer)

[AmosMoses]

With Reggie Bush now in tow, does MIA become wildcat central again? Bush would seem to the ideal back for such a role...no? I know the wildcat craze diminished significantly in 2010 but perhaps now with Bush, it become a bigger part of the offense?

Dan Henning is gone. I don't think that stuff is coming back.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Looks like Ivory could start the year on the PUP (lis franc). L.Hamilton will probably replace him.

That is also a possibility depending on his own recovery.

 

[Ian F]

Reggie might just be the man in Miami - They signed him for two years and I imagine that's just to get D. Thomas up to speed. It's a very conditional "the man" title in my opinion.

You obviously don't know much about Reggie Bush that the NFL knows and most of the general public does as well. Reggie Bush is NOT a feature back. He's best used as a situational / 3rd down / passing down guy and that's exactly how he will be used in Miami.

A lot of us would agree here - however the national media is hyping the feature back stuff, for us Thomas owners lets hope the Fins don't buy into that kinda BS...Good news is with enough hype Thomas will drop in redraft

 

[bengalbuck]

I think Reggie is a nice sleeper guy in PPR. He just turned 26 a few months ago and he has seasons of 88 and 73 receptions on his resume. I don't think its that far fetched at all that he gets 5 catches a game (80) for 800 or so yards and maybe 6 or 7 carries a game for another 500 yards. Something like 110-500-3 rushing, 80-800-4 receiving would make him a strong RB2. Even if he falls short of those numbers a bit, he's still a nice RB3-5 if he is involved in the passing game a good amount.

Even after this trade, assuming the posts in this thread represent the conventional wisdom, I bet you can get him pretty late in a lot of leagues as your RB4 or RB5. I'd love to have him.

 

[saintsfan1977]

I think Reggie is a nice sleeper guy in PPR. He just turned 26 a few months ago and he has seasons of 88 and 73 receptions on his resume. I don't think its that far fetched at all that he gets 5 catches a game (80) for 800 or so yards and maybe 6 or 7 carries a game for another 500 yards. Something like 110-500-3 rushing, 80-800-4 receiving would make him a strong RB2. Even if he falls short of those numbers a bit, he's still a nice RB3-5 if he is involved in the passing game a good amount. Even after this trade, assuming the posts in this thread represent the conventional wisdom, I bet you can get him pretty late in a lot of leagues as your RB4 or RB5. I'd love to have him.

You can get him late. IF he can stay healthy, which he hasnt managed to do, he should be able to put up those stats with no problem.

 

[De Novo]

I wish I owned Ingram. Wonder what his ADP settles at late august.

Assuming health, Ingram's going to be the Arian Foster of this FF-draft season. Might go in the 5th or 6th today, but I'd bet on him being a 2nd rounder** by the time the Labor Day weekend drafts roll around. I think he's going to have some moments in preseason that will shoot him up the boards.** at least in my local Saints-homer drafts.

Yes, unfortunately, I am fairly certain this will be the case. You thought Ryan Mathews looked good in the preseason last year? Wait until you see Mark Ingram.

 

[Gargoylez]

I have never been a fan of Reggie Bush. I guess I am jsut to lazy to figure out or read about Brown and Williams...

 

[TheFanatic]

He opened up the offense for Drew with his presence on the field.

This has got to stop. Drew Brees opened up the offense with his presence on the field. D's didn't game plan to stop Reggie, they game planned to stop Brees and the receivers. If anything, one could argue that just about every other RB on the roster did more to open up the offense for for Brees than Reggie. And I'm done with my Reggie bashing for the day. My boat's full of fish and I just don't want to clean anymore when I get back to the dock...

Show me one instance where PT,Ivory, Betts or J.Jones drew in 3 players on a play action pass or when they went in motion. You can't because it never happened. I am not praising Bush to be the best rb the Saints had or even a good rb but to say Defenses didnt gameplan for him is ridiculous. Yes they wanted to stop Brees but with Reggie on the field, they had a LB covering him or sometimes a safety. Look what happened when SF put Patrick Willis on him. When there are 2 or more defenders looking to see where he was, it was easy picking for Brees to go to Colston, Moore, Meach, or any of the TEs since it was 1 on 1 or wide open. Because he isn't CJ or AP people dislike him. That has to stop. If he was a 7th rd pick nobody would bash him.

I'm sure that Brees handed over his MVP trophy to Reggie when they gave it to him because he was the real key to Brees' success. And I'm sorry, but no team assigned three guys to stop Reggie Bush. Never happened. Never will. Teams gameplanned to stop Brees, not a guy who never ran for more than 60 yards in a career, couldn't run between the tackles and couldn't get around the outside because the LB's in the NFL are so much faster than what he played against in college. The only way he kept a Defensive coordinator up at night is if one of his commercials came on the TV and woke the guy up. The QB was the league MVP a couple years ago and flirted with the passing yards record. Reggie Bush had very little to do with that in his limited time on the field because he can't stay healthy and when he is, he runs for four yards and then falls down. Stop riding the guy's jock. He's not worth the praise that's been heaped on him since he left USC.

How many Saints games have you watched? I'm not riding the guys jock. I have seen every one of his games while played with the Saints and not one of his games with USC. I never said 3 guys were assigned to Bush. I said he drew 3 guys to one side of the field. That is fact. You look at stats and say he sucks. FF wise yea he does. In fact, Bush was my worst pick last year in FF and he was depth. But his presence on the field was a nightmare for DC's. That is all I am saying. When he was on the field it made a difference. He was the best pass blocking back on the roster. PT was not as good at blocking like Reggie was. I saw the games. You probably didn't see half of them. Stats don't show everything that happened in a game. There is alot more to it than that.I hope he has his best season ever this year and if he doesn't it won't bother me. He has a SB ring so he can go where the money is at or he can go where he gets more snaps. The NFL is a business. I am just a fan of the Saints and the NFL.

See this is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. As soon as someone drops the, "How many games have you watched?" it's no longer a discussion of fact, it's now opinion. How many did I see? Enough. Enough to know that Reggie didn't draw three guys to his side of the field. A guy or two might have an eye on Reggie, but they didn't assign three guys to him. That's revisionist thinking of a Reggie fan.And I'm sorry, but you don't know what DC's are thinking. He wasn't a nightmare for DC's. League MVP Drew Brees was the nightmare. The guy that chucked like 5,000 yards over the guy that can't rush for more than 600. This is one of the complete myths of the NFL that needs to stop. Reggie can do a few things, particularly in space, and I'll give you that he can block. But other than special teams and those two things he does not create mismatches on the field that you think he does.Let me ask you this. If Reggie was such a force, then why did it only take a noname player and a very late pick to get him? If he's such a difference maker, why did he only sign a two year deal for $10 million? Difference makers get $15-20 million upfront. Gadget players who can't run between the tackles, and can't beat the LB to the corner get $2.5 million signing bonuses. Why weren't teams lining up to grab him for a 4, or even a 3rd. Greg Olsen from the Bears was traded for a 3. Greg Olsen hasn't done much in his career and he got a three, but this guy is a difference maker, right? Teams were waiting for him to get cut so they could pick him up because of his cap number, but all it would've taken was a 5th rounder and NO would've jumped on it. Nobody offered a 5th, while Greg Olsen got traded for a 3.This guy is an ESPN created difference maker. All hype but not reality. I remembering seeing a highlight of Reggie where he turned nothing into like a 9 yard game with a couple really cool spin moves. This was his rookie season. His stat line for the game was something like 5 carries for 6 yards. ESPN lead the Saint's game recap with that highlight, but never showed the other four carries where he was stomped behind the LOS. And then Reggie was doing all the Subway and Pepsi commercials, no way he can be a bust, right? He's a bust. He's not a difference maker. If he was, if he was such a nightmare for DC's they would be lobbying the HC and FO to get him on their team. Nobody did that. Miami threw a flyer on a guy and a minimal contract in the hopes to sell some tickets and hope the guy can overcome the hype into something relevant (particularly on grass), but he is not that phenom you have built him up to be in your mind. Plain and simple.Teams are throwing money and draft picks around like drunken housewives with their credit cards at sale at Macy's, yet this nightmare for DC's get's a minimal contract that makes it really easy to cut the guy after 1 season and only gives up a bag of old balls. You watched all his games, so did every other DC and head coach in the league, yet only Miami took a flyer on him. I'll go with the guys who get paid to watch the games....

 

[saintsfan1977]

See this is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. As soon as someone drops the, "How many games have you watched?" it's no longer a discussion of fact, it's now opinion. How many did I see? Enough. Enough to know that Reggie didn't draw three guys to his side of the field. A guy or two might have an eye on Reggie, but they didn't assign three guys to him. That's revisionist thinking of a Reggie fan.

Reggie has drawn 3 guys to one side of the field. Because you didnt see, it doesn't mean it never happened.

And I'm sorry, but you don't know what DC's are thinking. He wasn't a nightmare for DC's. League MVP Drew Brees was the nightmare. The guy that chucked like 5,000 yards over the guy that can't rush for more than 600. This is one of the complete myths of the NFL that needs to stop. Reggie can do a few things, particularly in space, and I'll give you that he can block. But other than special teams and those two things he does not create mismatches on the field that you think he does.

You are right. Since I am not a DC I cant make that claim. However, if he wasn't a mismatch, then he never should have have those TDs on the goal line, or able to get those first downs with ease. If he wasn't a mismatch then why did the Saints go and sign Sproles as soon as Bush left for Miami? If he wasn't a big part of the offense why didn't the Saints just roll with Ingram, PT, Ivory, Hamilton etc?

Let me ask you this. If Reggie was such a force, then why did it only take a noname player and a very late pick to get him? If he's such a difference maker, why did he only sign a two year deal for $10 million? Difference makers get $15-20 million upfront.

The Saints signed Sean Rodgers to a 1 year deal and he is a difference maker. We also sucked on ST so that no name player came in handy .

Gadget players who can't run between the tackles, and can't beat the LB to the corner get $2.5 million signing bonuses. Why weren't teams lining up to grab him for a 4, or even a 3rd. Greg Olsen from the Bears was traded for a 3. Greg Olsen hasn't done much in his career and he got a three, but this guy is a difference maker, right? Teams were waiting for him to get cut so they could pick him up because of his cap number, but all it would've taken was a 5th rounder and NO would've jumped on it. Nobody offered a 5th, while Greg Olsen got traded for a 3.

Ask Joel Segal. I don't write the contracts.

This guy is an ESPN created difference maker. All hype but not reality. I remembering seeing a highlight of Reggie where he turned nothing into like a 9 yard game with a couple really cool spin moves. This was his rookie season. His stat line for the game was something like 5 carries for 6 yards. ESPN lead the Saint's game recap with that highlight, but never showed the other four carries where he was stomped behind the LOS. And then Reggie was doing all the Subway and Pepsi commercials, no way he can be a bust, right? He's a bust. He's not a difference maker. If he was, if he was such a nightmare for DC's they would be lobbying the HC and FO to get him on their team. Nobody did that. Miami threw a flyer on a guy and a minimal contract in the hopes to sell some tickets and hope the guy can overcome the hype into something relevant (particularly on grass), but he is not that phenom you have built him up to be in your mind. Plain and simple.

You stated you would have liked your Rams to pick up this bust. Why would a bust be a complimentary to any back or team?

Teams are throwing money and draft picks around like drunken housewives with their credit cards at sale at Macy's, yet this nightmare for DC's get's a minimal contract that makes it really easy to cut the guy after 1 season and only gives up a bag of old balls. You watched all his games, so did every other DC and head coach in the league, yet only Miami took a flyer on him. I'll go with the guys who get paid to watch the games....

Sean Payton has had a top 3 Offense for 5 years running. Teams are trying to mimic that. Look at teams using scat backs. Why are teams looking for their version of Reggie Bush? Minny with Percy Harvin, KC with D.McCluster etc. I am not making Bush to be this excellent running back. He was a vital piece to the Saints offense. Once he left ,Payton wanted to replace that and we signed Sproles.

 

[TheFanatic]

See this is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. As soon as someone drops the, "How many games have you watched?" it's no longer a discussion of fact, it's now opinion. How many did I see? Enough. Enough to know that Reggie didn't draw three guys to his side of the field. A guy or two might have an eye on Reggie, but they didn't assign three guys to him. That's revisionist thinking of a Reggie fan.

Reggie has drawn 3 guys to one side of the field. Because you didnt see, it doesn't mean it never happened.

And I'm sorry, but you don't know what DC's are thinking. He wasn't a nightmare for DC's. League MVP Drew Brees was the nightmare. The guy that chucked like 5,000 yards over the guy that can't rush for more than 600. This is one of the complete myths of the NFL that needs to stop. Reggie can do a few things, particularly in space, and I'll give you that he can block. But other than special teams and those two things he does not create mismatches on the field that you think he does.

You are right. Since I am not a DC I cant make that claim. However, if he wasn't a mismatch, then he never should have have those TDs on the goal line, or able to get those first downs with ease. If he wasn't a mismatch then why did the Saints go and sign Sproles as soon as Bush left for Miami? If he wasn't a big part of the offense why didn't the Saints just roll with Ingram, PT, Ivory, Hamilton etc?

Let me ask you this. If Reggie was such a force, then why did it only take a noname player and a very late pick to get him? If he's such a difference maker, why did he only sign a two year deal for $10 million? Difference makers get $15-20 million upfront.

The Saints signed Sean Rodgers to a 1 year deal and he is a difference maker. We also sucked on ST so that no name player came in handy .

Gadget players who can't run between the tackles, and can't beat the LB to the corner get $2.5 million signing bonuses. Why weren't teams lining up to grab him for a 4, or even a 3rd. Greg Olsen from the Bears was traded for a 3. Greg Olsen hasn't done much in his career and he got a three, but this guy is a difference maker, right? Teams were waiting for him to get cut so they could pick him up because of his cap number, but all it would've taken was a 5th rounder and NO would've jumped on it. Nobody offered a 5th, while Greg Olsen got traded for a 3.

Ask Joel Segal. I don't write the contracts.

This guy is an ESPN created difference maker. All hype but not reality. I remembering seeing a highlight of Reggie where he turned nothing into like a 9 yard game with a couple really cool spin moves. This was his rookie season. His stat line for the game was something like 5 carries for 6 yards. ESPN lead the Saint's game recap with that highlight, but never showed the other four carries where he was stomped behind the LOS. And then Reggie was doing all the Subway and Pepsi commercials, no way he can be a bust, right? He's a bust. He's not a difference maker. If he was, if he was such a nightmare for DC's they would be lobbying the HC and FO to get him on their team. Nobody did that. Miami threw a flyer on a guy and a minimal contract in the hopes to sell some tickets and hope the guy can overcome the hype into something relevant (particularly on grass), but he is not that phenom you have built him up to be in your mind. Plain and simple.

You stated you would have liked your Rams to pick up this bust. Why would a bust be a complimentary to any back or team?

Teams are throwing money and draft picks around like drunken housewives with their credit cards at sale at Macy's, yet this nightmare for DC's get's a minimal contract that makes it really easy to cut the guy after 1 season and only gives up a bag of old balls. You watched all his games, so did every other DC and head coach in the league, yet only Miami took a flyer on him. I'll go with the guys who get paid to watch the games....

Sean Payton has had a top 3 Offense for 5 years running. Teams are trying to mimic that. Look at teams using scat backs. Why are teams looking for their version of Reggie Bush? Minny with Percy Harvin, KC with D.McCluster etc. I am not making Bush to be this excellent running back. He was a vital piece to the Saints offense. Once he left ,Payton wanted to replace that and we signed Sproles.

The inherent flaw in your argument is this, why not just rework Reggie's deal and keep him? Why take a bag of balls for a guy that's such a difference maker? And if he's such a difference maker, why can he be replaced by a 3rd down back like Sproles? Why is he making backup type money and can easily be cut with little impact on the salary cap? If he was so great why was Miami able to get him for nothing and make him take a pay cut?Why did I want the guy on my team? Because the Rams need a third down back. Simple as that. Particularly one that can catch the ball out of the backfield well and block well. Reggie does those things. He's just not some dynamic player that defenses key on and keep DC's up at night. If that were the case he'd still be in New Orleans and still be making $11 million this year alone.

If Reggie Bush was so great, people would be clamoring to get him. The fact of the matter, teams are not trying to do that. Plain and simple. Two kickers got signed to more guaranteed money than Reggie. KICKERS!!! Step back for a second. This is so comical I'm having a hard time not laughing at the fact that kickers are more valuable to teams than Reggie Bush is.

 

[saintsfan1977]

The inherent flaw in your argument is this, why not just rework Reggie's deal and keep him? Why take a bag of balls for a guy that's such a difference maker? And if he's such a difference maker, why can he be replaced by a 3rd down back like Sproles? Why is he making backup type money and can easily be cut with little impact on the salary cap? If he was so great why was Miami able to get him for nothing and make him take a pay cut?

Nobody was going to pay $11mil for a third down (versatile)back. NFL teams and agents look at stats to build contracts. The Saints were willing to restructure. Reggie wanted to get a chance to be the man and Miami said we will give it you. Also the Saints weren't going to let him go to a division rival or anywhere in the NFC. The Saints FO was not about to have to face him twice a year. Other teams were showing interest in him. Philly IMO would have been a great team for him to go to. The Rams would have been my second choice. I am hoping Sam Bradford does great.

Why did I want the guy on my team? Because the Rams need a third down back. Simple as that. Particularly one that can catch the ball out of the backfield well and block well. Reggie does those things. He's just not some dynamic player that defenses key on and keep DC's up at night. If that were the case he'd still be in New Orleans and still be making $11 million this year alone.

If Reggie Bush was so great, people would be clamoring to get him. The fact of the matter, teams are not trying to do that. Plain and simple. Two kickers got signed to more guaranteed money than Reggie. KICKERS!!! Step back for a second. This is so comical I'm having a hard time not laughing at the fact that kickers are more valuable to teams than Reggie Bush is.

I think it is more the idea of a "Reggie Bush" than Bush himself. I said before, other teams are trying to mimic what the Saints do. Having a versatile player like Reggie makes an offense more dynamic. I think its comical that a team is willing to spend 19 mil on a kicker. That has ZERO to do with Bush. He doesn't set the bar to which contract are made. Bush was a Saint and I liked him while he was on the team. I am not trying to say he was the best player on the roster. I just believe he was a big part of the offense and stats don't show that.

 

[TheFanatic]

Fair enough, but if the offense doesn't miss a beat without him does it mean Sproles is just as much as a DC nightmare? Or does it show that it had a lot more to do with the other 10 guys on offense than it did Reggie? If he was that dynamic, and that much of a weapon, the offense has to take a hit thus year, right?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

See this is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. As soon as someone drops the, "How many games have you watched?" it's no longer a discussion of fact, it's now opinion. How many did I see? Enough. Enough to know that Reggie didn't draw three guys to his side of the field. A guy or two might have an eye on Reggie, but they didn't assign three guys to him. That's revisionist thinking of a Reggie fan.And I'm sorry, but you don't know what DC's are thinking. He wasn't a nightmare for DC's. League MVP Drew Brees was the nightmare. The guy that chucked like 5,000 yards over the guy that can't rush for more than 600. This is one of the complete myths of the NFL that needs to stop. Reggie can do a few things, particularly in space, and I'll give you that he can block. But other than special teams and those two things he does not create mismatches on the field that you think he does.Let me ask you this. If Reggie was such a force, then why did it only take a noname player and a very late pick to get him? If he's such a difference maker, why did he only sign a two year deal for $10 million? Difference makers get $15-20 million upfront. Gadget players who can't run between the tackles, and can't beat the LB to the corner get $2.5 million signing bonuses. Why weren't teams lining up to grab him for a 4, or even a 3rd. Greg Olsen from the Bears was traded for a 3. Greg Olsen hasn't done much in his career and he got a three, but this guy is a difference maker, right? Teams were waiting for him to get cut so they could pick him up because of his cap number, but all it would've taken was a 5th rounder and NO would've jumped on it. Nobody offered a 5th, while Greg Olsen got traded for a 3.This guy is an ESPN created difference maker. All hype but not reality. I remembering seeing a highlight of Reggie where he turned nothing into like a 9 yard game with a couple really cool spin moves. This was his rookie season. His stat line for the game was something like 5 carries for 6 yards. ESPN lead the Saint's game recap with that highlight, but never showed the other four carries where he was stomped behind the LOS. And then Reggie was doing all the Subway and Pepsi commercials, no way he can be a bust, right? He's a bust. He's not a difference maker. If he was, if he was such a nightmare for DC's they would be lobbying the HC and FO to get him on their team. Nobody did that. Miami threw a flyer on a guy and a minimal contract in the hopes to sell some tickets and hope the guy can overcome the hype into something relevant (particularly on grass), but he is not that phenom you have built him up to be in your mind. Plain and simple.Teams are throwing money and draft picks around like drunken housewives with their credit cards at sale at Macy's, yet this nightmare for DC's get's a minimal contract that makes it really easy to cut the guy after 1 season and only gives up a bag of old balls. You watched all his games, so did every other DC and head coach in the league, yet only Miami took a flyer on him. I'll go with the guys who get paid to watch the games....

 

[saintsfan1977]

Fair enough, but if the offense doesn't miss a beat without him does it mean Sproles is just as much as a DC nightmare? Or does it show that it had a lot more to do with the other 10 guys on offense than it did Reggie? If he was that dynamic, and that much of a weapon, the offense has to take a hit thus year, right?

It would show that Sean Payton knows how to use a versatile player better than anyone. Its a mental game,like chess, so is Sproles a threat to take it to the house on a given play? That is what Bush brought even though he only took it to the house few times.I dont think we miss a beat due to the fact we won't be using gimmick plays anymore. We drafted Ingram to run the football between the tackles and wear out opposing Defenses. I hated to see those tosses and sweeps to Bush with defenders in the backfield as soon as the toss was made. They always seemed ready for it. Bush is no longer a Saint so he is Miami's new toy and I hope he succeeds.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Sean Payton has had a top 3 Offense for 5 years running. Teams are trying to mimic that. Look at teams using scat backs. Why are teams looking for their version of Reggie Bush? Minny with Percy Harvin, KC with D.McCluster etc. I am not making Bush to be this excellent running back. He was a vital piece to the Saints offense. Once he left ,Payton wanted to replace that and we signed Sproles.

I, for one, was unaware that Sean Payton invented the scat back.

 

[saintsfan1977]

Sean Payton has had a top 3 Offense for 5 years running. Teams are trying to mimic that. Look at teams using scat backs. Why are teams looking for their version of Reggie Bush? Minny with Percy Harvin, KC with D.McCluster etc. I am not making Bush to be this excellent running back. He was a vital piece to the Saints offense. Once he left ,Payton wanted to replace that and we signed Sproles.

I, for one, was unaware that Sean Payton invented the scat back.

huh

 

[Manster]

Bush has value in ppr, as per usual. BUT, he doesnt have Brees throwin the rock. If MIA got Orton I'd upgrade Bush a bit. I still might snag him if i think theres value, in ppr.

 

[saintsfan1977]

Bush has value in ppr, as per usual. BUT, he doesnt have Brees throwin the rock. If MIA got Orton I'd upgrade Bush a bit. I still might snag him if i think theres value, in ppr.

Its not the numbers I would worry about. It's his health. If he stays healthy for 16 games ,which he hasn't managed to do since rookie year, he would easily outperform his ADP this year which will be really low.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

With Reggie Bush now in tow, does MIA become wildcat central again? Bush would seem to the ideal back for such a role...no? I know the wildcat craze diminished significantly in 2010 but perhaps now with Bush, it become a bigger part of the offense?

Dan Henning is gone. I don't think that stuff is coming back.

there is that and Daniel Thomas played QB at KSU for awhile before switching to RB

 

[Manster]

Bush has value in ppr, as per usual. BUT, he doesnt have Brees throwin the rock. If MIA got Orton I'd upgrade Bush a bit. I still might snag him if i think theres value, in ppr.

Its not the numbers I would worry about. It's his health. If he stays healthy for 16 games ,which he hasn't managed to do since rookie year, he would easily outperform his ADP this year which will be really low.

I hear ya. I'm not much of a Bush fan. His game never really translated to the NFL, and he's perpetually banged up.I have a feeling someone in my ppr league will have a feeling about him and take him before i'd be willing to pull the trigger.

 

[Bob Magaw]

when saintsfan mentioned bush was starting to run with more authority before the injury setback, it resonated and made me think of this cards game from 2009...

http://prod.www.rams.clubs.nfl.com/news-and-events/article-1/Rams-Add-Playmaker-in-Sims-Walker/53ea8ed2-f83c-415f-b5a6-6dc15c01b840

faulk was talking about bush the other night, and how he was a mismatch against LBs, and the saints might miss the attention DCs paid him...

a more relevant question than how he is valued relative to kickers is of course in his free agent positional group class... other than deangelo, not a lot of RBs making more than his $5 mil average over two years...

why was bush not more coveted (or re-signed by NO)?

we don't know if he was offered more, but was selective for some reason (avoiding turf, already mentioned, a possibility... it also sounds like he wanted to go to a team where he would get a greater opportunity to run the ball)...

injury history makes him a risk... he has had microfracture knee surgery... missed games every year but his rookie season, as noted...

sean payton seemed to diminish his carries every year... pretty sure i heard him say specifically they were going to try and "pace" him to preserve him for the playoffs a year or two ago...

i think another key (on why he wasn't coveted and offered more) is that the ways he can help a team and make those around him more effective aren't always tangible and measureable in stats... just his presence on the field and where he lined at times dictated defensive personnel (cover him with a LB or DB in base defense?)... he didn't get to rack up stats for that... if he ran a decoy route that helped free up colston or moore, didn't gets stats for that either...

it makes no sense to suggest that by acknowledging bush's contribution to the saints success, including the super bowl season, is tantamount to denigrating brees accomplishments... ie - if bush is great than brees was lousy, if brees was great than bush was lousy... a bit simplistic and... BINARY...

a more realistic view imo is there are a continuum of possibilities... i don't see anybody disputing that brees had a massive contribution... but that fact doesn't eradicate the contribution of bush...

bush is not a complete runner or feature back, obviously... but he is one of the best receiving backs (strictly referring to his receiving skills) of the past decade plus, and that i personally have ever seen, with marshall faulk and brian westbrook...

it will be interesting to see if he can hold up physically if he gets his wish to be more involved in the run game... i'm sceptical he gets even half the carries in a RBBC with rookie thomas, but he can compensate with additional touches in the passing game... he is also a dynamic ST player when healthy...

* moving up for ingram and on from bush doesn't have to be interpreted as an indictment of bush's talent and skills, WHEN HEALTHY... for one thing, the saints probably have the best pair of OGs in the league in evans and nicks, and the former in particular is very adept at pulling... so the way they have built the OL lent itself to a fundamental shift towards a greater emphasis on a power run game... payton and brees can keep defenses off balance by employing an inside/outside game... also, no shame in saints organization prioritizing ingram over bush... ingram's game has been compared by some scouts to that of emmitt smith... i can't really blame them for making the decision to go in a different direction, but at the same time don't think that invalidates bush's at times tantalizing, but flawed and incomplete body of work...

** i went to youtube for the above highlight not knowing exactly what i was looking for... the above highlight was the first one listed... almost as if a lot of perceptions converged on the cards game as an example of when he flashed a possible breakthrough in his ability to run with more decisiveness and determination...

not sure if more money was available elsewhere, as noted above... but i think the decision to go to MIA, where he may have the opportunity to run more, is a gamble... he is only 26... if he proves he is capable of handling more work in the run game (it was trending down in NO), he could position himself to be in line for a larger contract in a few years (if not sooner)...

 

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With Reggie Bush now in tow, does MIA become wildcat central again? Bush would seem to the ideal back for such a role...no? I know the wildcat craze diminished significantly in 2010 but perhaps now with Bush, it become a bigger part of the offense?

Dan Henning is gone. I don't think that stuff is coming back.

there is that and Daniel Thomas played QB at KSU for awhile before switching to RB

So?