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Reggie Wayne ranking - WOW (1 Viewer)

kupcho1 said:
radballs said:
kupcho1 said:
Not really. The point of it with the respective player values is to also give you an idea of each player's trade value relative to others on the list. I see your point but if others view Reggie Wayne as "more valuable" than Chad Johnson, then the Chad owner is going to have to up the ante in order to obtain Wayne in a trade rather than the other way around.
"OK, Chad Johnson and Laurence Maroney for Wayne" :rolleyes:
What are you talking about? If you looked at the player values from the list, it's not even close to saying that CJ plus Maroney is equal to Wayne. I'm not even sure what your point is. The closest RB that would bridge the gap between Wayne and CJ is LenDale White. If someone would rather have Wayne by giving up CJ and White, I could see that. Personally, I'd still rather have CJ straight up over Wayne but that was my interpretation of the player values from the top 250 list.
My point is that the CJ owner wouldn't give you anything else in a trade for Reggie Wayne. Not Maroney, not White, not a bushel of old soggy footballs or even Maurice Clarett (OK, maybe he'd throw in Maurice Clarett).The CJ owner isn't going to ante up anything else, and the idea that he would or would have to is ludicrous.
I think you and I actually agree. You like CJ better than Wayne and so do I. I'm saying that if someone (and his prospective trade partner) follows and completely agrees with the player trade values in the top 250, then the CJ owner would have to give up something extra to "move up" to get Wayne. The whole point is that you're trying to maximize the total player values that you are trying to acquire and give back as few as possible, therefore making it a trade in your favor. If you don't agree with the player values, then tweak things to make your own. In essence, you're just trying to make moves that improves your team but you have to use your own sense of each player's respective value.
Actually, what I'm saying is that with two premier players - any two, doesn't have to be RW vs. CJ - player rankings go out the window once the players are drafted. Owners (myself included) tend to have an emotiona investment (for want of a better term) with the player they drafted, and subsequently value them a little more highly than they otherwise might. Unless the relative value (backed up by a website ranking or not) is meaningful, you are unlikely to get a deal done. I just don't see a lot of trades where that happens.You might see quantity for quality, but you rarely if ever see quality for quality + something. The only time that might happen is if one side of the quality equation is severely underperforming or is injured but expected back for the playoffs and one team can wait, and one cant. (Say, Wayne for S Smith + something)
Well, while it's true that it's pretty uncommon to see two players at the same position and in the same tier get traded for each other (either with something else involved or without), the top 250 is still valuable.As an example, I just made a deal whose core was Chad Johnson for Warrick Dunn and change. Now, while Chad Johnson's value compared to Reggie Wayne might not be relevant in a direct trade for the two, it's EXTREMELY relevant in a trade like that. How much change could I get in addition to Dunn for Chad Johnson compared to Reggie Wayne? According to Dodds, he'd be willing to give me more "loose change" for Reggie Wayne than he would for Chad Johnson.

Like I said, while like-for-like trades are extremely uncommon, big-name players get dealt all the time, and not just in quality-for-quantity deals. I'm a big fan of quality-for-quality-at-another-position deals.

 

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