Remaining Playoff Teams (1 Viewer)

[Idiot Boxer]

I threw these rankings together off the top of my head, I'm sure they may generate some disagreement. I didn't do a Special Teams ranking, but if I did, Pittsburgh would be at the bottom. The DL rankings were incredibly deep, hard to believe a team with Julius Peppers grades out as the 6th best DL remaining, but I do think its the right ranking. WRs on the other hand are pretty weak outside of Arizona and Steve Smith. Plaxico missing obviously hurts the NYG.

QB

1. Philly

2. Arizona

3. Pittsburgh

4. NYG

5. San Diego

6. Baltimore

7. Tennessee

8. Carolina

RB

1. Carolina

2. Tennessee

3. NYG

4. Philly

5. Baltimore

6. Pittsburgh

7. San Diego* (assuming a less than healthy LT)

8. Arizona

WR/TE

1. Arizona

2. Carolina

3. Pittsburgh

4. Baltimore

5. San Diego

6. NYG

7. Philly

8. Tennessee

OL

1. Carolina

2. Baltimore

3. NYG

4. Tennessee

5. Philly

6. San Diego

7. Arizona

8. Pittsburgh

DL (probably the deepest set of units)

1. Tennessee

2. Baltimore

3. NYG

4. Pittsburgh

5. San Diego

6. Carolina

7. Philly

8. Arizona

LB

1. Pittsburgh

2. Baltimore

3. Philly

4. Carolina

5. Tennessee

6. San Diego

7. NYG

8. Arizona

DBs

1. Baltimore

2. Pittsburgh

3. Tennessee

4. Philly

5. Arizona

6. NYG

7. Carolina

8. San Diego

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I threw these rankings together off the top of my head, I'm sure they may generate some disagreement. I didn't do a Special Teams ranking, but if I did, Pittsburgh would be at the bottom. The DL rankings were incredibly deep, hard to believe a team with Julius Peppers grades out as the 6th best DL remaining, but I do think its the right ranking. WRs on the other hand are pretty weak outside of Arizona and Steve Smith. Plaxico missing obviously hurts the NYG. QB1. Philly2. Arizona3. Pittsburgh4. NYG5. San Diego6. Baltimore7. Tennessee8. CarolinaRB1. Carolina2. Tennessee3. NYG4. Philly5. Baltimore6. Pittsburgh7. San Diego* (assuming a less than healthy LT)8. ArizonaWR/TE1. Arizona2. Carolina3. Pittsburgh4. Baltimore5. San Diego6. NYG7. Philly8. TennesseeOL1. Carolina2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Tennessee5. Philly6. San Diego7. Arizona8. PittsburghDL (probably the deepest set of units)1. Tennessee2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Pittsburgh5. San Diego6. Carolina7. Philly8. ArizonaLB1. Pittsburgh2. Baltimore3. Philly4. Carolina5. Tennessee6. San Diego7. NYG8. ArizonaDBs1. Baltimore2. Pittsburgh3. Tennessee4. Philly5. Arizona6. NYG7. Carolina8. San Diego

good job,but I would put SD's LB's 8 and move up their DB, while the safties are weak they still have cromartie/jammer on the corners

 

[Mikey16x]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

I don't think Eli is better than McNabb or Warner. If you want to flip-flop him with Big Ben, I could go with that...they're the same level IMO.At RB, I do not see the Giants RBs being better than DeAngelo/Stewart or CJ/Fatarse.At WR, without Burress they are fairly anemicAt DL, they are fantastic, but so is Tennessee and Baltimore. At OL, maybe bump them ahead of B-more...I think they're right on.

 

[PranksterJD]

For Quarterbacks, SD is too low. He's an #######, but Rivers is playing out of his mind right now. Easily over Eli and Ben at this moment.

I disagee with you, but I'll leave the McNabb vs. Warner battle to the other thread.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

For Quarterbacks, SD is too low. He's an #######, but Rivers is playing out of his mind right now. Easily over Eli and Ben at this moment.

I disagee with you, but I'll leave the McNabb vs. Warner battle to the other thread.

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

 

[craxie]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

 

[jonessed]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

He doesn't like the Chargers.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played, team record, 4th quarter game winning drives and playoff experience.Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?1. McNabb2. Warner3. Big Ben4. Eli5. RiversAnd I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

 

[Mr. PadresLakers]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played, team record, 4th quarter game winning drives and playoff experience.Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?1. McNabb2. Warner3. Big Ben4. Eli5. RiversAnd I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

QB Rating in the 4th Q: +/- 7 pts this year...Rivers 108.3 McNabb 86.3 Warner 86.4 Big Ben 76.5Eli 99.8

 

[Redwes25]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

I don't think Eli is better than McNabb or Warner. If you want to flip-flop him with Big Ben, I could go with that...they're the same level IMO.At RB, I do not see the Giants RBs being better than DeAngelo/Stewart or CJ/Fatarse.At WR, without Burress they are fairly anemicAt DL, they are fantastic, but so is Tennessee and Baltimore. At OL, maybe bump them ahead of B-more...I think they're right on.

Really don't understand how you put the Giants not at the number Offensive Line. Two Pro Bowlers, the number one rushing offense and line that has basically had the same starters for three years. Other than that I think ranking of Giants is ok.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

I don't think Eli is better than McNabb or Warner. If you want to flip-flop him with Big Ben, I could go with that...they're the same level IMO.At RB, I do not see the Giants RBs being better than DeAngelo/Stewart or CJ/Fatarse.At WR, without Burress they are fairly anemicAt DL, they are fantastic, but so is Tennessee and Baltimore. At OL, maybe bump them ahead of B-more...I think they're right on.

Really don't understand how you put the Giants not at the number Offensive Line. Two Pro Bowlers, the number one rushing offense and line that has basically had the same starters for three years. Other than that I think ranking of Giants is ok.

Fair enough...good argument.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played, team record, 4th quarter game winning drives and playoff experience.Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?1. McNabb2. Warner3. Big Ben4. Eli5. RiversAnd I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

QB Rating in the 4th Q: +/- 7 pts this year...Rivers 108.3 McNabb 86.3 Warner 86.4 Big Ben 76.5Eli 99.8

Fair enough. You have your own set of fact that you can back him up with. I still would pick him 5th if I needed a QB to lead me in the 4th quarter. Just my opinion...

 

[craxie]

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played

SOSPIT: .525

SDG: .516

NYG: .502

care to try again?

team record

wait a minute, i thought we were talking about QBs both PIT and NYG have far superior defenses

playoff experience.

Roth: 5-2Eli: 4-2

Rivers: 3-2

wow that one extra game Eli played sure will give him a huge advantage

how about Craig Morton? he started 10 playoff games. He must have been super.

Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?

1. McNabb

2. Warner

3. Big Ben

4. Eli

5. Rivers

And I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

whatever makes you happy

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played

SOSPIT: .525

SDG: .516

NYG: .502

care to try again?

team record

wait a minute, i thought we were talking about QBs both PIT and NYG have far superior defenses

playoff experience.

Roth: 5-2Eli: 4-2

Rivers: 3-2

wow that one extra game Eli played sure will give him a huge advantage

how about Craig Morton? he started 10 playoff games. He must have been super.

Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?

1. McNabb

2. Warner

3. Big Ben

4. Eli

5. Rivers

And I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

whatever makes you happy

Every single stat you cited supported my rankings and showed they are all close. I believe I stated I put Ben/Eli/Rivers in the same category...pretty close...I finally made my decision based upon my own gut feeling. You're gut tells you otherwise, but the stats you show don't discount what I put out there in the least.

 

[Liquid Tension]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

I don't think Eli is better than McNabb or Warner. If you want to flip-flop him with Big Ben, I could go with that...they're the same level IMO.At RB, I do not see the Giants RBs being better than DeAngelo/Stewart or CJ/Fatarse.At WR, without Burress they are fairly anemicAt DL, they are fantastic, but so is Tennessee and Baltimore. At OL, maybe bump them ahead of B-more...I think they're right on.

Easy to criticize, but I think you did a good job. As for the Giants, their Db's are better than Arizona's, their OL is better than Baltimore's and their RB's are better than Tennessee's.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

I don't think Eli is better than McNabb or Warner. If you want to flip-flop him with Big Ben, I could go with that...they're the same level IMO.At RB, I do not see the Giants RBs being better than DeAngelo/Stewart or CJ/Fatarse.At WR, without Burress they are fairly anemicAt DL, they are fantastic, but so is Tennessee and Baltimore. At OL, maybe bump them ahead of B-more...I think they're right on.

Easy to criticize, but I think you did a good job. As for the Giants, their Db's are better than Arizona's, their OL is better than Baltimore's and their RB's are better than Tennessee's.

I have a man-crush on Chris Johnson, so it is possible I overrated them...

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played

SOSPIT: .525

SDG: .516

NYG: .502

care to try again?

team record

wait a minute, i thought we were talking about QBs both PIT and NYG have far superior defenses

playoff experience.

Roth: 5-2Eli: 4-2

Rivers: 3-2

wow that one extra game Eli played sure will give him a huge advantage

how about Craig Morton? he started 10 playoff games. He must have been super.

Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?

1. McNabb

2. Warner

3. Big Ben

4. Eli

5. Rivers

And I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

whatever makes you happy

Every single stat you cited supported my rankings and showed they are all close. I believe I stated I put Ben/Eli/Rivers in the same category...pretty close...I finally made my decision based upon my own gut feeling. You're gut tells you otherwise, but the stats you show don't discount what I put out there in the least.

I would agree and it is also safe to say that Eli has far less support from a passing standpoint compared to Rivers. Rivers stats were clearly better, but if you are asking what qb I could have on my team for the next 5 years at "8 mil a year" I would take Eli and Ben over Rivers; although not a no brainer

 

[craxie]

Every single stat you cited supported my rankings

try againSOS showed SDG above NYGi also looked up "4th quarter game winning drives" and here's what i came up withBen: 5 (BAL, JAC, SDG, DAL, BAL)Rivers: 5 (OAK, KC, KC, TAM, IND)Eli: 3 (CAR, CIN, PIT)again, SDG > NYG

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Every single stat you cited supported my rankings

try againSOS showed SDG above NYGi also looked up "4th quarter game winning drives" and here's what i came up withBen: 5 (BAL, JAC, SDG, DAL, BAL)Rivers: 5 (OAK, KC, KC, TAM, IND)Eli: 3 (CAR, CIN, PIT)again, SDG > NYG

Congrats. You found one that puts Rivers ahead of Eli. I said they're debatable. I didn't say you're crazy for your opinion, and I don't think mine is out of the line either.I don't think I need to point out that you needed 4thQ comebacks against OAK and KC twice.

 

[craxie]

Congrats. You found one that puts Rivers ahead of Eli.

these aren't my statsthese are the 4 stats YOU gave for why you favor Eli over Rivers (SOS, 4th qtr game winning drives, playoff experience, team record)

yet HALF of YOUR OWN STATS favor Rivers

I don't think I need to point out that you needed 4thQ comebacks against OAK and KC twice.

you're the one that said 4th quarter game winning drives was important (and NYG had their CIN)yes the NYG TEAM is better than the SDG TEAM, but Rivers is playing far better than Eli or Roth

playing better on a worse team, hmmm

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Congrats. You found one that puts Rivers ahead of Eli.

these aren't my statsthese are the 4 stats you gave for why you favor Eli over Rivers

yet HALF of YOUR OWN STATS favor Rivers

I don't think I need to point out that you needed 4thQ comebacks against OAK and KC twice.

you're the one that said 4th quarter game winning drives was important (and NYG had their CIN)yes the NYG TEAM is better than the SDG TEAM, but Rivers is playing far better than Eli or Roth

playing better on a worse team, hmmm

First, are you then conceding Ben>Rivers and just arguing Eli/Phil?Second, while the defenses of NYG and PIT are better, but for PIT, at least, their OL is teh suck. Playing QB for a team with a sponge OL has to be tougher, no? Put Ben behind even a 1/2 decent OL and he's playing even better.

 

[eefflrat]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

now that's a surprise considering you're from long Island. I'm from the East End of the Island, and am an Eagles fan, and will say McNabb is not the number 1 QB, he might be 3rd behind Rivers, Warner.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

IMO you have the Giants totally underrated in almost every category aside from linebackers and defensive backs.

now that's a surprise considering you're from long Island. I'm from the East End of the Island, and am an Eagles fan, and will say McNabb is not the number 1 QB, he might be 3rd behind Rivers, Warner.

Understood. Philly fans always underrate McNabb. Surprised you put him at #3.

 

[craxie]

First, are you then conceding Ben>Rivers

obviously nothowever, he does lead in your cherry-picked statswhich is more than you can say for Eli are you conceding Rivers>Eli?

Second, while the defenses of NYG and PIT are better, but for PIT, at least, their OL is teh suck.

lol, obviously you haven't seen many chargers gameMcNeill was injured to start the season, and when he has played, has regressedHardwick was injured to start the season and has been subpar since returningGoff is beyond washed upand Clary . . . what can I say about Clary? . . . charitably . . . um . . . he doesn't get knocked down? (as people just run by him instead as he blocks air)

 

[Idiot Boxer]

First, are you then conceding Ben>Rivers

obviously nothowever, he does lead in your cherry-picked statswhich is more than you can say for Eli are you conceding Rivers>Eli?

Second, while the defenses of NYG and PIT are better, but for PIT, at least, their OL is teh suck.

lol, obviously you haven't seen many chargers gameMcNeill was injured to start the season, and when he has played, has regressedHardwick was injured to start the season and has been subpar since returningGoff is beyond washed upand Clary . . . what can I say about Clary? . . . charitably . . . um . . . he doesn't get knocked down? (as people just run by him instead as he blocks air)

We could play the "who's OL is worse" game. I'm pretty convinced the Steelers are one of the bottom 3 in the whole NFL.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played, team record, 4th quarter game winning drives and playoff experience.Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?1. McNabb2. Warner3. Big Ben4. Eli5. RiversAnd I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

Not a chance in the world I'd want McNabb # 1 in this situation. I'd probably put him last actually. One of his biggest weaknesses is how he handles the 2 min offense.

 

[Redwes25]

Congrats. You found one that puts Rivers ahead of Eli.

these aren't my statsthese are the 4 stats YOU gave for why you favor Eli over Rivers (SOS, 4th qtr game winning drives, playoff experience, team record)

yet HALF of YOUR OWN STATS favor Rivers

I don't think I need to point out that you needed 4thQ comebacks against OAK and KC twice.

you're the one that said 4th quarter game winning drives was important (and NYG had their CIN)yes the NYG TEAM is better than the SDG TEAM, but Rivers is playing far better than Eli or Roth

playing better on a worse team, hmmm

Wow, now I know why I rarely come into the shark pool. It is worse than the political threads.

 

[Londo]

I like the rankings, thanks for the effort.

Regarding the respective ratings of Rivers, Ben, and Eli, I tend to agree with you. After all, two of those guys have already won Superbowls. Sure, Rivers is having a great statistical season, but using that as an indicator for playoff success isn't a 1 to 1 ratio.

 

[FUBAR]

Congrats. You found one that puts Rivers ahead of Eli.

these aren't my statsthese are the 4 stats YOU gave for why you favor Eli over Rivers (SOS, 4th qtr game winning drives, playoff experience, team record)

yet HALF of YOUR OWN STATS favor Rivers

I don't think I need to point out that you needed 4thQ comebacks against OAK and KC twice.

you're the one that said 4th quarter game winning drives was important (and NYG had their CIN)yes the NYG TEAM is better than the SDG TEAM, but Rivers is playing far better than Eli or Roth

playing better on a worse team, hmmm

Ben: 5 (BAL, JAC, SDG, DAL, BAL)Rivers: 5 (OAK, KC, KC, TAM, IND)

Eli: 3 (CAR, CIN, PIT)

NYG had their CIN, but a 4th quarter comeback against the best D in the league means a lot IMO.

Rivers came back against Indy, but Indy's D isn't all that good. 2 comebacks against KC - why were they down?

I'll take Ben's comebacks against BAL, Dallas and JAX over anything Rivers has done in the 4th quarter.

As for playoff experience, you can't go against the 2 guys that have actually won the Super Bowl, especially Eli's performance last year.

 

[ravnzfan]

I threw these rankings together off the top of my head, I'm sure they may generate some disagreement. I didn't do a Special Teams ranking, but if I did, Pittsburgh would be at the bottom. The DL rankings were incredibly deep, hard to believe a team with Julius Peppers grades out as the 6th best DL remaining, but I do think its the right ranking. WRs on the other hand are pretty weak outside of Arizona and Steve Smith. Plaxico missing obviously hurts the NYG.

QB

1. Philly

2. Arizona

3. Pittsburgh

4. NYG

5. San Diego

6. Baltimore

7. Tennessee

8. Carolina

RB

1. Carolina

2. Tennessee

3. NYG

4. Philly

5. Baltimore

6. Pittsburgh

7. San Diego* (assuming a less than healthy LT)

8. Arizona

WR/TE

1. Arizona

2. Carolina

3. Pittsburgh

4. Baltimore

5. San Diego

6. NYG

7. Philly

8. Tennessee

OL

1. Carolina

2. Baltimore

3. NYG

4. Tennessee

5. Philly

6. San Diego

7. Arizona

8. Pittsburgh

DL (probably the deepest set of units)

1. Tennessee

2. Baltimore

3. NYG

4. Pittsburgh

5. San Diego

6. Carolina

7. Philly

8. Arizona

LB

1. Pittsburgh

2. Baltimore

3. Philly

4. Carolina

5. Tennessee

6. San Diego

7. NYG

8. Arizona

DBs

1. Baltimore

2. Pittsburgh

3. Tennessee

4. Philly

5. Arizona

6. NYG

7. Carolina

8. San Diego

OK...to extrapolate using 8-7--6-5-4-3-2-1 for 1-8, the following rankings for the team offense/defense/totalOffense:

1-Car (24)

2-NYG (20)

3-Phil (19)

3-Balt (19)

5--AZ (18)

6--Pitt (16)

7-Tenn(15)

8-SDC (13)

Defense:

1-Balt (22)

2-Pitt (20)

3-Tenn(18)

4-Phil (13)

5-NYG (11)

6-Car (10)

7-SDC(8)

8--AZ (6)

Total:

1-Balt (41)

2-Pitt (36)

3-Car (34)

4-Tenn(33)

5-Phil (32)

6-NYG (31)

7--AZ (24)

8-SDC (21)

so, according to the rankings:

Balt gets by Tenn

Car over AZ

Pitts over SD

Philly over NYG

Balt over Pitts in AFC champ

Car over Philly in NFC champ

Ravens over Carolina in SB

again...not my call---but the numbers as laid out by OP



I can see the Ravens advancing, if the stars stay aligned, as they've given Tenn and Pitts all they could handle

I don't see Carolina and Philly as better than Big Blue, but if the NYG run game isn't up to par, they do become beatable as I don't think the passing game is as effective w/o Plax

Phlly won when they needed to, but when Jacobs was lost due to injury--that will be key for the G-men, if they are to advance

 

[PranksterJD]

I like the rankings, thanks for the effort. Regarding the respective ratings of Rivers, Ben, and Eli, I tend to agree with you. After all, two of those guys have already won Superbowls. Sure, Rivers is having a great statistical season, but using that as an indicator for playoff success isn't a 1 to 1 ratio.

Playoff success to future playoff success isn't 1:1 either. How's Peyton doing right now?

As for playoff experience, you can't go against the 2 guys that have actually won the Super Bowl, especially Eli's performance last year.

Problem is, by this argument we'd have been dismissing Eli a year ago for the same reason you're dismissing Rivers.

 

[craxie]

NYG had their CIN, but a 4th quarter comeback against the best D in the league means a lot IMO.

Rivers had a 4th quarter comeback vs PIT too . . . it's just that the SDG defense wasn't able to stop PITdown 7-8, SDG gets ball at own 18 and kicks FG to lead 10-8

PIT then gets the ball back at 6:41 and kicks FG with 11 seconds left

does he get any credit for mounting a 4th quarter comeback against the best D in the league

the NYG were tied with PIT at 14 so it could be argued it wasn't a 'comeback' at all

NYG gets ball at own 47 (much better field position) and scores a TD to go up 21-14

PIT gets ball back with 3:07 BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE - NYG DEFENSE STONED PIT (4-and-out)

is Eli a better quarterback because the NYG defense forced a 4-and-out and only allowed PIT to burn 1:01 off the clock?

if the SD defense had been able to stop PIT instead of letting them drive the entire field, Rivers could claim a comeback victory too . . .

amazing the difference a good defense can make . . .

 

[Liquid Tension]

NYG had their CIN, but a 4th quarter comeback against the best D in the league means a lot IMO.

Rivers had a 4th quarter comeback vs PIT too . . . it's just that the SDG defense wasn't able to stop PITdown 7-8, SDG gets ball at own 18 and kicks FG to lead 10-8

PIT then gets the ball back at 6:41 and kicks FG with 11 seconds left

does he get any credit for mounting a 4th quarter comeback against the best D in the league

the NYG were tied with PIT at 14 so it could be argued it wasn't a 'comeback' at all

NYG gets ball at own 47 (much better field position) and scores a TD to go up 21-14

PIT gets ball back with 3:07 BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE - NYG DEFENSE STONED PIT (4-and-out)

is Eli a better quarterback because the NYG defense forced a 4-and-out and only allowed PIT to burn 1:01 off the clock?

if the SD defense had been able to stop PIT instead of letting them drive the entire field, Rivers could claim a comeback victory too . . .

amazing the difference a good defense can make . . .

and a good Ol and good receivers and good RB's and special team and coaching. For crying out loud folks, you need to judge the QB or any other position not on just wins and losses and not just on stats, you need to take the team around him, the stats, the coaching and the situations into account. People think Chad Pennington is good because his QB ratio is good, but if you really understand the game you see a guy who hurts the running attack a lot because teams crowd the LOS because of all the passes he simply can't make. he also completes many 3rd down passes short of the 1st down (which is many times worthless) and he struggles mightily to convert 3rd and long situations because of his arm strength. Finally, he doesn;t have scrambling ability either. for the most part, all of his flaws don;t impact his QB rating at all.YOU MUST JUDGE THE PLAYERS USING ALL FACTORS, but people generally have bias based on wins or the guy won a SB or it is their favorite team/player

 

[BassNBrew]

I think Eli/Ben/Rivers are all in the same bucket right now...and not just because they were drafted together. Phillip's put up great fantasy numbers lately, for sure. But I'm not ranking fantasy QB potential.

maybe you're confusing past seasons?QBRating THIS year:Roth: 80.1Eli: 86.4Rivers: 105.5it really isn't even close . . .

I'm also considering the level of competition each team played, team record, 4th quarter game winning drives and playoff experience.Who do I want leading my team in the 4th quarter down 4 points?1. McNabb2. Warner3. Big Ben4. Eli5. RiversAnd I have no doubt in my mind on my rankings, QB rating aside.

If this is your criteria, then you want Delhomme.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I threw these rankings together off the top of my head, I'm sure they may generate some disagreement. I didn't do a Special Teams ranking, but if I did, Pittsburgh would be at the bottom. The DL rankings were incredibly deep, hard to believe a team with Julius Peppers grades out as the 6th best DL remaining, but I do think its the right ranking. WRs on the other hand are pretty weak outside of Arizona and Steve Smith. Plaxico missing obviously hurts the NYG. QB1. Philly2. Arizona3. Pittsburgh4. NYG5. San Diego6. Baltimore7. Tennessee8. CarolinaRB1. Carolina2. Tennessee3. NYG4. Philly5. Baltimore6. Pittsburgh7. San Diego* (assuming a less than healthy LT)8. ArizonaWR/TE1. Arizona2. Carolina3. Pittsburgh4. Baltimore5. San Diego6. NYG7. Philly8. TennesseeOL1. Carolina2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Tennessee5. Philly6. San Diego7. Arizona8. PittsburghDL (probably the deepest set of units)1. Tennessee2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Pittsburgh5. San Diego6. Carolina7. Philly8. ArizonaLB1. Pittsburgh2. Baltimore3. Philly4. Carolina5. Tennessee6. San Diego7. NYG8. ArizonaDBs1. Baltimore2. Pittsburgh3. Tennessee4. Philly5. Arizona6. NYG7. Carolina8. San Diego

OK...to extrapolate using 8-7--6-5-4-3-2-1 for 1-8, the following rankings for the team offense/defense/totalOffense:1-Car (24)2-NYG (20)3-Phil (19)3-Balt (19)5--AZ (18)6--Pitt (16)7-Tenn(15)8-SDC (13)....

And yet San Diegos offense scored more points all of these teams, and some by a very large margin...

 

[Steeler]

Fixed for craxie:

QB1. RiversRB1. RiversWR/TE1. RiversOL1. RiversDL 1. RiversLB1. RiversDBs1. Rivers

 

[craxie]

Fixed for craxie:

RB1. Rivers

don't be silly, despite his legendary running prowess, we all know that he is only the 2nd best RB

 

[ravnzfan]

I threw these rankings together off the top of my head, I'm sure they may generate some disagreement. I didn't do a Special Teams ranking, but if I did, Pittsburgh would be at the bottom. The DL rankings were incredibly deep, hard to believe a team with Julius Peppers grades out as the 6th best DL remaining, but I do think its the right ranking. WRs on the other hand are pretty weak outside of Arizona and Steve Smith. Plaxico missing obviously hurts the NYG. QB1. Philly2. Arizona3. Pittsburgh4. NYG5. San Diego6. Baltimore7. Tennessee8. CarolinaRB1. Carolina2. Tennessee3. NYG4. Philly5. Baltimore6. Pittsburgh7. San Diego* (assuming a less than healthy LT)8. ArizonaWR/TE1. Arizona2. Carolina3. Pittsburgh4. Baltimore5. San Diego6. NYG7. Philly8. TennesseeOL1. Carolina2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Tennessee5. Philly6. San Diego7. Arizona8. PittsburghDL (probably the deepest set of units)1. Tennessee2. Baltimore3. NYG4. Pittsburgh5. San Diego6. Carolina7. Philly8. ArizonaLB1. Pittsburgh2. Baltimore3. Philly4. Carolina5. Tennessee6. San Diego7. NYG8. ArizonaDBs1. Baltimore2. Pittsburgh3. Tennessee4. Philly5. Arizona6. NYG7. Carolina8. San Diego

OK...to extrapolate using 8-7--6-5-4-3-2-1 for 1-8, the following rankings for the team offense/defense/totalOffense:1-Car (24)2-NYG (20)3-Phil (19)3-Balt (19)5--AZ (18)6--Pitt (16)7-Tenn(15)8-SDC (13)....

And yet San Diegos offense scored more points all of these teams, and some by a very large margin...

Den-Oak-KC X 2 certainly throws a wrench in the works as compared to Pitt X 2, NYG, Philly and Tenn....but I hear what you're sayin'

 

[craxie]

And yet San Diegos offense scored more points all of these teams, and some by a very large margin...

Den-Oak-KC X 2 certainly throws a wrench in the works as compared to Pitt X 2, NYG, Philly and Tenn....but I hear what you're sayin'

SOSPIT: .525

BAL: .521

SDG: .516

PHI: .514

NYG: .502

CAR: .488

ARI: .486

TEN: .459

BAL's schedule was only .005 harder than SDG's, just sayin'

 

[CharrdWood]

DBs1. Baltimore2. Pittsburgh3. Tennessee4. Philly5. Arizona6. NYG7. Carolina8. San Diego

Baltimore's DBs better than Tennessee's? I know I'm a homer, but based solely on Ed Reed?! Madness I says! Tenn secondary has 2 Pro Bowlers (hey, APs haven't been released yet), and Griffin was *this* close to making it (alternate, I believe). And Harper is excellent against the run, if somewhat patchy in man coverage. IMO both Tenn and Philly have better secondaries than Balt. Was your basis for choosing Balt #1 solely based on picks? Or Reed?