Report: Suh fined 15k for shoving Cutler (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Detroit hasn't had a defense in 50 years. Suh is an intimidator and I love it. Keep doing it. Label Detroit's defense as dirty, because it's been than being labeled as crappy.

I wouldn't trade Suh for any defensive player in the league.

Watch out Aaron Rodgers, the turf in Detroit is very hard. It may be a good idea to rest Rodgers when they play in The D.

 

[Dancing Bear]

I for one DO NOT THINK Suh is dirty. I DO NOT THINK James Harrison is dirty either.

I applaud their effort and given that they participate in literally 100's of plays a season focusing a few plays where they get a penalty called against them is laughable. Actually in Harrison's case several went without penalties ... go figure.

These guys are not Jack Tatum or Bill Romanowski.

This is a contact sport and creating rules to protect the QB has made it a joke; primarily because each officiating crew subjectively applies the ridiculous rule differently, but secondarily because different QB's also get treated differently. You breathe hard on Peyton Manning and it's a 15 yard penalty. Ben Roethlisberger gets obviously punched in the nose [which breaks and bleeds], and there is no hint of a penalty!

Furthermore, the case against a running QB disappears even more. Last year I watched Vick feign that he was going out of bounds ... the Defense let up thinking he was going to go out-of-bounds only to see him scamper down the sideline for another 6 or 7 yards [it happened at least 3 or 4 times]. The Defense should get the full extent of the white out-of-bounds line to continue the action of contact simply because of this ...

The funniest part about this is that the Goodell honestly feels that a $10k or $20k fine means anything to any of these guys ... This magnitude of fine is like a traffic ticket to the rest of us; it discourages no one from speeding ... it will not impact play at all.

 

[mcintyre1]

So it seems like people in this thread are fans of the new patty-cake NFL?

QBs are the same as any other player on the field. The truly great ones will take the hits like everyone else. RBs and WRs don't get to toss the ball away to avoid a hit. Perhaps QBs should tuck the ball and take the hit if they don't want to be "exposed" to big shots while throwing the ball. That big shot is the risk you're taking for trying to avoid a loss of yardage for your team.

The only reason this is an issue is because of the way the league office has changed the rules to favor QBs. If Dalton were a RB rather than a QB, there'd be no flag and no fine on that play. Similarly, if Cutler were a RB, no flag, no fine, just a "Man, that was a great hit" from the announcers and a bunch of gasps and high-fives from Lions fans.

Not hardly. I wanna see big hits, tough guys playing thru injuries, QB's NOT getting special treatment, etc........just stop when the whistle blows. I've seen Suh keep going after the whistle multiple times very aggressively. I think thats what this is about. One guy who seems to be showing a pattern. The one play in question might be a lame call, but Suh is drawing attention to himself. Guys that do what he does are gonna get the flag quicker.

That's my point though, if QBs are treated the same as any other player, the whistle doesn't get blown until Suh brings him to the ground. You're villainizing him for playing past the whistle, but its only past the whistle because QBs are elevated above other players.Even then, we've got what, two examples? The Cutler hit was before the whistle, as was the Barber grab. Both the Delhomme hit and the Dalton hit were cases where Suh was close enough to the ball carrier that there was no way for him to know whether the ball had come out or not. I applaud him for playing the right way: assuming the QB didn't get the ball away. If Suh played for the Patriots in Superbowl XLII, we'd still be hearing from Pats fans about their perfect season.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Watch out Aaron Rodgers, the turf in Detroit is very hard. It may be a good idea to rest Rodgers when they play in The D.

Maybe the Lions should rest Stafford for every home game this season then. 8 games is better than 2.

 

[Da Guru]

Over/under at 3 for the QBs Suh will knock out of games this year.

 

[jon_mx]

Suh is going to force the NFL to implement the two-hand touch rule for QB sacks, because to allow Suh to actually tackle a QB is inhumane.

 

[ty247]

Suh is going to force the NFL to implement the two-hand touch rule for QB sacks, because to allow Suh to actually tackle a QB is inhumane.

You can throw that one out the window..Two hand touch, but you can't shove afterwards (Cutler) I still can't get over that

 

[RUSF18]

Wow, you couldn't be more wrong on the bolded.

Well I am glad Fairley got such a bum rap on his attitude. Despite his injury, he is hitting the weight room hard and he has his nose in the playbook. He has been a model citizen in camp, and will have a lot of great players pushing him on the defensive line. A lot of GM's will be kicking themselves in the butt for passing on who was a top rated talent in the draft due to incorrect information before this season is done

I was completely with you up until the end of your last sentence. What was "incorrect" about the information received on Fairley? He didn't take plays off in college?

 

[jon_mx]

I think the reason for Fairley's drop was a concern about his maturity. He missed his flight to the combine and he skipped a meeting with a team. He started to get labeled another Haynesworth. His strength test at the combine also weren't as impressive as hoped. He is faster and more athletic than Suh, but not nearly as strong. So far Fairley has put the character concerns to rest. We will have to see when he is healthy, what kind of problems Fairley's speed poses for defences. IMO, Fairley will be more successful moved to a DE.

 

[mcintyre1]

Even Tony Dung thinks that Ndamukong Suh is a dirty player

"Dirty" doesn't appear anywhere in that article.

 

[aardball44]

Over/under at 3 for the QBs Suh will knock out of games this year.

I'll take the under, only because I believe Suh will knock out exactly 2.5 QBs this year. Donovan McNabb's headless body will go 2-for-5 with an INT when he continues to play for another quarter after Suh decapitates him.

 

[Sabertooth]

Over/under at 3 for the QBs Suh will knock out of games this year.

Legally or after the whistle?

 

[Ilov80s]

Over/under at 3 for the QBs Suh will knock out of games this year.

Legally or after the whistle?

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

 

[fatness]

Even Tony Dung thinks that Ndamukong Suh is a dirty player

"Dirty" doesn't appear anywhere in that article.

You've disrupted things by reading a posted link. Now how is he supposed to pretend that Dungy called Suh a dirty player?Or maybe Tony Dung is a different person than Tony Dungy.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.
that looks a lot like what he tried to do to Dalton.Dirty. Player.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

Good, as a Detroit native I'll embrace it. The bottom line is people are talking about the Detroit D and it's been 50 years since they've had anything to talk about on that side of the ball. The Lions D is for real, so label them dirty, it doesn't mean they're not great.

Do you think the Oakland Raiders of the 70's and the Steelers of the 70's weren't dirty? Do you think they cared of you called them dirty?

Suh would fit right in there with those guys. I hope he smacks the Qb's around, those same types of Qb's have been throwing a bazillion Td's agains the Lions over the past 10 years, it's time for some payback.

Like I said, rest Rodgers when he comes into Detroit.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Over/under at 3 for the QBs Suh will knock out of games this year.

Legally or after the whistle?

Doesn't matter, the question stands.....how many does he knock out of the game for at least 1 play?

 

[Ilov80s]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

Like I said, besides the 2 preseason plays...

 

[jon_mx]

Dirty....

 

[goodoldalky]

Ndamukong Suh is the best defensive player in the NFL. Period.

Just wish he played for Dallas instead of Detroit. :(

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ndamukong Suh is the best defensive player in the NFL. Period.Just wish he played for Dallas instead of Detroit. :(

He's not even the best defensive tackle.

 

[goodoldalky]

Ndamukong Suh is the best defensive player in the NFL. Period.Just wish he played for Dallas instead of Detroit. :(

He's not even the best defensive tackle.

Really? If you can make a case and back it up with some numbers, I'm all ears.But you won't be able to. Even as a rookie, this guy was dominant.

 

[Manster]

he'll keep throwing QB's to the ground after he's sposed to, keep getting fined, penalized, and prolly cost the lions a game or something.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ndamukong Suh is the best defensive player in the NFL. Period.Just wish he played for Dallas instead of Detroit. :(

He's not even the best defensive tackle.

Really? If you can make a case and back it up with some numbers, I'm all ears.But you won't be able to. Even as a rookie, this guy was dominant.

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/31/defensive-player-of-the-year-wrapping-up/

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Manster,

The Lions have lost more games than any team I know. They finally have something going and it really started when he was drafted.

If he did cost the Lions a game, big deal because he's going to win them back tenfold.

I've never owned a NFL jersey. I've always ALMOST got one. Thought about getting an Aikman year's ago but I'm more defensive minded. Almost bought a D. Ware jersey but as I've gotten older, I've really started to feel more passionate about ny hometown Lions. So this year at Lions practice I broke down and bought a Suh jersey.

When Suh takes the field, the crowd goes Suuuuuhhh, I haven't heard that since the BARRY chants. Barry used to cost the Lions too at times, he'd lose 2 yards on a carry, lose 4, but then he'd score on an 88 yard ankle breaker.

I could care less if Suh gets penalties, he will more than make up for it on the rest of the plays. Love the fact we're talking about the Lions D.

Cliff Averil will have 10 sacks this year, he's going to be a beast.

 

[Manster]

i think everyone is ready for the Lions to be anything but crap. they seem to moving in the right direction.

i am now looking forward to watching the Lions on Thanksgiving again.

i dont dislike Suh. He's a budding NFL star. i have no problem with him playing hard until the whistle blows. he just needs to simmer down on the WWF stuff.

 

[flapgreen]

As a Bears fan, I hope the Lions suck like they always have, but that's starting to seem less likely. :(

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Yeah, I would suggest getting the hell out of Suh's way.

 

[sho nuff]

Like I said, rest Rodgers when he comes into Detroit.

So you wanted to repeat that foolish statement twice?

 

[sho nuff]

i think everyone is ready for the Lions to be anything but crap. they seem to moving in the right direction.i am now looking forward to watching the Lions on Thanksgiving again.i dont dislike Suh. He's a budding NFL star. i have no problem with him playing hard until the whistle blows. he just needs to simmer down on the WWF stuff.

 

[cheese]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

2 is a ton. Guy is about to start his 2nd year. How many other guys in the league have 2 plays that bad in their whole career?Lions fans can't brag that he's going to hurt QBs and then defend his actions at the same time. That makes no sense.

 

[Ilov80s]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

Neither of Suh's QB takedowns were anywhere near as dangerous as the leading with the head missle shots guys like Harrison, Polamalu, Meriweather, or Adrian Wilson have repeatedly done through their careers. How about Jared Allen's knee dive at Schaub or Incognito who has headbutted multiple players?

 

[MDSkinner]

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/31/defensive-player-of-the-year-wrapping-up/

This is a good article, but I think it negates the impact that a player has on another guys stats and just looks at the guys stats. What I mean is that I am not sure how often Kyle Williams was double teamed, maybe on every play or maybe never, but to me a DT that gets double teamed regularly and frees up space for some of the other guys to make plays is more valuable than a DT that makes a bunch of tackles or even personally has QB disruptions. I think that Defense particularly on the line is more subjective as to who is more dominant than just looking at the statistics. And as a Bears fan, I am not remotely happy that Suh will be lining up on the other side for two games every year for probably a very long time. Kyle Williams may be better (I saw much less of him last year personally), but he certainly does not invoke the same fear as Suh does, IMO.

 

[sho nuff]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

And Harrison and Allen are both considered dirty. Whats your point?

 

[biggamer3]

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/31/defensive-player-of-the-year-wrapping-up/

This is a good article, but I think it negates the impact that a player has on another guys stats and just looks at the guys stats. What I mean is that I am not sure how often Kyle Williams was double teamed, maybe on every play or maybe never, but to me a DT that gets double teamed regularly and frees up space for some of the other guys to make plays is more valuable than a DT that makes a bunch of tackles or even personally has QB disruptions. I think that Defense particularly on the line is more subjective as to who is more dominant than just looking at the statistics. And as a Bears fan, I am not remotely happy that Suh will be lining up on the other side for two games every year for probably a very long time. Kyle Williams may be better (I saw much less of him last year personally), but he certainly does not invoke the same fear as Suh does, IMO.

yeah this is BS that this Williams cat is better then Suh.If Suh and Kyle Williams were both Unrestricted FA's right now, whom do you think would get a better contract? yeah, thought so

 

[GroveDiesel]

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/31/defensive-player-of-the-year-wrapping-up/

This is a good article, but I think it negates the impact that a player has on another guys stats and just looks at the guys stats. What I mean is that I am not sure how often Kyle Williams was double teamed, maybe on every play or maybe never, but to me a DT that gets double teamed regularly and frees up space for some of the other guys to make plays is more valuable than a DT that makes a bunch of tackles or even personally has QB disruptions. I think that Defense particularly on the line is more subjective as to who is more dominant than just looking at the statistics. And as a Bears fan, I am not remotely happy that Suh will be lining up on the other side for two games every year for probably a very long time. Kyle Williams may be better (I saw much less of him last year personally), but he certainly does not invoke the same fear as Suh does, IMO.

yeah this is BS that this Williams cat is better then Suh.If Suh and Kyle Williams were both Unrestricted FA's right now, whom do you think would get a better contract? yeah, thought so

Suh would but only because he's younger. I know Williams doesn't get a ton of publicity, but he's a completely dominant force. He almost single-handedly beat the Steelers last year. He was CONSTANTLY double teamed last year and still put up ridiculous stats. Like I said, he doesn't have the name recognition, but I guarantee that if you went around the league and asked offensive coordinators who they feared more right now, Williams would win.Again, this isn't to take anything away from Suh who is a great player and has a great chance of being better than Williams at some point, but Kyle Williams is the better player for now.

 

[Ilov80s]

Beyond the 2 preseason plays, can you name specifically another time Suh hit somebody after the whistle?

Sure can.

To answer the question of how many other guys in the league have had 2 plays that bad in their entire career. The list is very long.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Here's 2 more articles on Meatball that break down what makes him so great:

Williams better than Suh

Kyle Williams: Beast

 

[MDSkinner]

Here's 2 more articles on Meatball that break down what makes him so great:

Williams better than Suh

Kyle Williams: Beast

This is good stuff. I will certainly watch him more closely from now on. Suh scares me, but I will not deny it may be because the media props him up so much (and because of tossing Cutler like he did as noted from the OP). This definitely makes it seem as if Williams should be thought of in the same light.

 

[jon_mx]

Suh was All-Pro as a rookie. Kyle Williams made his first pro-bowl appearance as a last-minute addition to the AFC pro-bowl squad after Seymour dropped out because of an injury. It is premature, but Suh is mentioned as possibly becoming the GOAT. As good as Williams is, he does not possess the athletism and ability to make plays that Suh does. In a few games, Suh will pass Williams in career sacks.

 

[goodoldalky]

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/31/defensive-player-of-the-year-wrapping-up/

This is a good article, but I think it negates the impact that a player has on another guys stats and just looks at the guys stats. What I mean is that I am not sure how often Kyle Williams was double teamed, maybe on every play or maybe never, but to me a DT that gets double teamed regularly and frees up space for some of the other guys to make plays is more valuable than a DT that makes a bunch of tackles or even personally has QB disruptions. I think that Defense particularly on the line is more subjective as to who is more dominant than just looking at the statistics. And as a Bears fan, I am not remotely happy that Suh will be lining up on the other side for two games every year for probably a very long time. Kyle Williams may be better (I saw much less of him last year personally), but he certainly does not invoke the same fear as Suh does, IMO.

yeah this is BS that this Williams cat is better then Suh.If Suh and Kyle Williams were both Unrestricted FA's right now, whom do you think would get a better contract? yeah, thought so

Suh would but only because he's younger. I know Williams doesn't get a ton of publicity, but he's a completely dominant force. He almost single-handedly beat the Steelers last year. He was CONSTANTLY double teamed last year and still put up ridiculous stats. Like I said, he doesn't have the name recognition, but I guarantee that if you went around the league and asked offensive coordinators who they feared more right now, Williams would win.Again, this isn't to take anything away from Suh who is a great player and has a great chance of being better than Williams at some point, but Kyle Williams is the better player for now.

Sure, Williams had good stats. 77 tackles, 5.5 sacks. Pretty close to Suh's 66 tackles, 10 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 INT. And it's cool that you somehow have some knowledge of what offensive coordinators in the NFL think about Suh and Williams. Pretty sweet connection you've got there. But the facts are that Suh is younger than Williams and outperformed him last year. You can go ahead and think that Williams spent every single play double teamed and that Suh was basically ignored by opponents' offensive lines, but the fact is that Suh was double teamed as a standard, and has better numbers than Williams.Fact is that Suh had nearly as many sacks (10) last year as Williams has had in his 5 year career (13.5). You can base your assessment on your undying love for all things Buffalo Bills, or base it on your buddies who are (apparently) offensive coordinators in the NFL and told you Williams is better, or whatever helps you sleep at night, but Suh > Williams.

 

[Ilov80s]

Well, you're wrong, because Kyle Williams was even more dominant. The folks at ProFootballFocus do some of the most stat labor intensive breakdowns of any site out there. And they named Kyle Williams their Defensive MVP this past year because he lead the league in both Stops and QB Disruptions. My guess is that you don't even know who he is.

http://www.profootba...ar-wrapping-up/

This is a good article, but I think it negates the impact that a player has on another guys stats and just looks at the guys stats. What I mean is that I am not sure how often Kyle Williams was double teamed, maybe on every play or maybe never, but to me a DT that gets double teamed regularly and frees up space for some of the other guys to make plays is more valuable than a DT that makes a bunch of tackles or even personally has QB disruptions. I think that Defense particularly on the line is more subjective as to who is more dominant than just looking at the statistics. And as a Bears fan, I am not remotely happy that Suh will be lining up on the other side for two games every year for probably a very long time. Kyle Williams may be better (I saw much less of him last year personally), but he certainly does not invoke the same fear as Suh does, IMO.

yeah this is BS that this Williams cat is better then Suh.If Suh and Kyle Williams were both Unrestricted FA's right now, whom do you think would get a better contract? yeah, thought so

Suh would but only because he's younger. I know Williams doesn't get a ton of publicity, but he's a completely dominant force. He almost single-handedly beat the Steelers last year. He was CONSTANTLY double teamed last year and still put up ridiculous stats. Like I said, he doesn't have the name recognition, but I guarantee that if you went around the league and asked offensive coordinators who they feared more right now, Williams would win.

Again, this isn't to take anything away from Suh who is a great player and has a great chance of being better than Williams at some point, but Kyle Williams is the better player for now.

Sure, Williams had good stats. 77 tackles, 5.5 sacks. Pretty close to Suh's 66 tackles, 10 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 INT. And it's cool that you somehow have some knowledge of what offensive coordinators in the NFL think about Suh and Williams. Pretty sweet connection you've got there. But the facts are that Suh is younger than Williams and outperformed him last year. You can go ahead and think that Williams spent every single play double teamed and that Suh was basically ignored by opponents' offensive lines, but the fact is that Suh was double teamed as a standard, and has better numbers than Williams.Fact is that Suh had nearly as many sacks (10) last year as Williams has had in his 5 year career (13.5). You can base your assessment on your undying love for all things Buffalo Bills, or base it on your buddies who are (apparently) offensive coordinators in the NFL and told you Williams is better, or whatever helps you sleep at night, but Suh > Williams.

Corey Williams was doubled a lot more than Suh last year.

 

[Hoss Style]

I love the way Suh plays.

When playing football back in the day (not at any level to speak of) we wouldn't have called Suh "dirty". It always seems to be fans or the heads on TV/radio saying it.

Dirty to us was hitting from behind or targeting the knees. And of course extreme stuff like punching, kicking, eye gougeing, etc.

What Suh does is kind of what we expected from big-### defensive lineman.

It still baffles me to this day when I see a QB get tossed to the ground and he starts flailing his arms around looking at the ref hoping he gets a call.

I have no problem with a QB getting slammed to the ground a second after the whistle blows. You can't really hear s*#t when you're on the field anyway. Stopping a tackle mid way is a lot harder than it sounds. Of course I played LB and despised QBs for the most part. Especially the whiney ones.

 

[delusional]

Yet nothing happens to Ramon Foster...hell the refs picked up the flag on this play..

 

[Hoss Style]

Holy crap!They really picked up the flag on that play? If it was a QB he'd be out $50k and suspended.Like I said above - THAT'S a cheap shot. Not tossing a QB to the ground a split second after the whistle.

 

[delusional]

http://youtu.be/0az_xtFyJmE

Yet nothing happens to Ramon Foster...hell the refs picked up the flag on this play..

Holy crap!They really picked up the flag on that play? If it was a QB he'd be out $50k and suspended.

Like I said above - THAT'S a cheap shot. Not tossing a QB to the ground a split second after the whistle.

As far as I know, no fine or suspension at all on Foster yet. Talk about bull####