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Report: Suh fined 15k for shoving Cutler (1 Viewer)

I honestly think the league looks at Suh as a player who is looking to not just tackle players, but hurt them. If you watch some of his tackles in college or his one on Delhomme in preseason, I can see why they might think that. So, this silly fine is their way of hoping to reign him in, like he will lessen the violence in his play to where he tackles players instead of throwing, or in this case, push them around with such forceful abandon. Basically, Suh is being fined for being too big and too strong.

 
When it first happened I thought it was a penalty and was furios about it to. I don't think he should have been fined and after the replay I don't really understand how they could fine him but as a Bears fan all I cared about was that Cutler was ok.

 
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BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
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I'm a big Schwartz fan and I don't agree with his reaction to the fine or the flag. He didn't come out for CJ in Gm 1 either. I think it is an issue. He needs to get pissed and behind his players. Watching Inside the NFL last night and he was pretty angry with the refs but I think he has a chance to get behind his players in a press conference on Monday and he punts when it comes down to it.
 
SofaKings said:
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
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I'm a big Schwartz fan and I don't agree with his reaction to the fine or the flag. He didn't come out for CJ in Gm 1 either. I think it is an issue. He needs to get pissed and behind his players. Watching Inside the NFL last night and he was pretty angry with the refs but I think he has a chance to get behind his players in a press conference on Monday and he punts when it comes down to it.
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He doesnt need to cry wolf. He needs to pick his spots.He is far better off getting the team into a regardless of what the league or refs do, we will overcome mentality. And that starts with him.

He shouldnt get pissed, he should be matter-of-fact in his appraoch. They need a leader, not a blowhard. Not a cryer.

 
I think next time, Suh needs to not push a running QB to the ground but propel himself on top of him. Have all 300+ lbs of Ndamukong Suh just barrel over him, crushing the frame of the QB to the ground, and make sure to hold the QB's arms to his body so that he cant brace himself.

Then next time, QBs would be lobbying for Suh to just push them over.

 
This is what replays are for. The replay shows another obvious mistake by the officials and should be corrected by NFL officials.

They reviewed James Harrisons hit and decided the hit on Cribbs was legal, after they review Suhs the same thing should happen.

 
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The ####ed up thing is they reviewed the hit before they fined and still found it bad enough to fine. That is downright scary what the NFL is becoming.

 
SofaKings said:
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
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I'm a big Schwartz fan and I don't agree with his reaction to the fine or the flag. He didn't come out for CJ in Gm 1 either. I think it is an issue. He needs to get pissed and behind his players. Watching Inside the NFL last night and he was pretty angry with the refs but I think he has a chance to get behind his players in a press conference on Monday and he punts when it comes down to it.
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Cunningham making public comments in defense of Suh...seems smart to have the DC do it...if Schwartz starts spouting off too much he will just start painting a target on his own back.http://www.freep.com/article/20101210/SPOR...ham-defends-Suh

 
PhantomJB said:
SofaKings said:
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
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I'm a big Schwartz fan and I don't agree with his reaction to the fine or the flag. He didn't come out for CJ in Gm 1 either. I think it is an issue. He needs to get pissed and behind his players. Watching Inside the NFL last night and he was pretty angry with the refs but I think he has a chance to get behind his players in a press conference on Monday and he punts when it comes down to it.
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Cunningham making public comments in defense of Suh...seems smart to have the DC do it...if Schwartz starts spouting off too much he will just start painting a target on his own back.http://www.freep.com/article/20101210/SPOR...ham-defends-Suh
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Something Schwartz said post game at the end of the Cj catch thing was along the lines of ...."the time i start blaming officials for losses is the time i need to find something else to do."I know he is pissed at the officiating, christ he blows a gasket during every game, but i think he really bites his tongue afterwards when pointing out how the lions have been screwed hard at times simply because of what he said week 1.

 
Terrible call but at least in real-time you can forgive the error.

The fine would be laughable if it weren't so frightening. This league needs to take a hard look at the direction it's moving.

 
It really upsets me that the NFL is taking the defense out of the game of football for the sake of scoring more points. When players with lesser talent start to pass some of the all time greats in the record books something is wrong.

 
Ghost Rider said:
I honestly think the league looks at Suh as a player who is looking to not just tackle players, but hurt them.
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I dont think thats true at all. (kinda like Harrison)He wants to hit them as hard as he possibly can (a majority of the time) because that is the absolute best thing for a defense and team for a varity for reasons. He doesnt think "Im gonna hurt/injure them" at all. He thinks "kaboom!".

 
Choke said:
SofaKings said:
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Talk radio in Detroit yesterday was all over Schwartz for caving into the League and not standing up for his guy when asked for comment on Wednesday.
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I'm a big Schwartz fan and I don't agree with his reaction to the fine or the flag. He didn't come out for CJ in Gm 1 either. I think it is an issue. He needs to get pissed and behind his players. Watching Inside the NFL last night and he was pretty angry with the refs but I think he has a chance to get behind his players in a press conference on Monday and he punts when it comes down to it.
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He doesnt need to cry wolf. He needs to pick his spots.He is far better off getting the team into a regardless of what the league or refs do, we will overcome mentality. And that starts with him.

He shouldnt get pissed, he should be matter-of-fact in his appraoch. They need a leader, not a blowhard. Not a cryer.
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I didn't say he should cry. Nice try thought.
 
FootballGuy22 said:
Anyone else think the hit on Vick tonight as he went out of bounds was worse than this since Cutler was in the field of play?
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There were two hits on him in the pocket that should have been called but werent. The hit on the sidelines was worse because he was pretty much out of bounds, you don't expect to get shoved into the benches and other things on the sideline.
 
'BusterTBronco said:
Like I said. He's a dirty player.
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LOL at bumping a months-old thread to try and take credit for a completely unsubstantiated opinion on a subjective topicSuh's head was past Dalton--I don't think he saw the ball come out. While I have no problem with the flag in that situation IMO that's not a dirty hit (nor was the one on cutler, which was almost merciful as opposed to tackling through him to the ground, which would have almost certainly resulted in injury). The Delhomme hit was a lot worse IMO.
 
'EthnicFury said:
'BusterTBronco said:
Like I said. He's a dirty player.
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LOL at bumping a months-old thread to try and take credit for a completely unsubstantiated opinion on a subjective topicSuh's head was past Dalton--I don't think he saw the ball come out. While I have no problem with the flag in that situation IMO that's not a dirty hit (nor was the one on cutler, which was almost merciful as opposed to tackling through him to the ground, which would have almost certainly resulted in injury). The Delhomme hit was a lot worse IMO.
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The lateness of the hit on Dalton is not what made it as dirty. The pull over the top slam to the turf will get flagged and fined every single time.
 
Suh plays 110 percent. So does Fairley. Detroit's DL is going to get a Bad Boys label similar to the Pistons when they were last winning Championships. Detroit is getting a lot a buzz this preseason, and I think it is not only merited but in fact understates just how good some of the offseason moves were.

I can't wait until Detroit announces their next major FA pickup, three-time pro-bowl offensive lineman Leonard Davis. :thumbup:

Detroit has just restructured a couple of contracts and have freed up $8.5 miilion in cap space. There will be more pickups.

 
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
hes not dirty. Just mean.He tried to pop Daltons head like it was a zit.Love Suh!
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Fined tho? he shouldnt of been fined.For the push on Cutler, or the throw down of Dalton. Are these football players or "W"ussies?The helmet coming off in the mess of traffic made it look worse then it was. Penalty, yes...fine, no.Suh and the Lions should have the beef with the commish, not Harrison and the Steelers.
 
I don't blame Lions fans for thinking its cool and exciting, but its a little odd to have a guy repeatedly doing stuff like this trying to intimidate the other team's QB when you are trying to nurse your own fragile QB through 16 games. Something about glass houses.

Stafford was out when Suh did that to Dalton, but that only works in the preseason.

 
I'm always amazed that a player who cheap shots QBs on a regular basis is allowed to continue by opposing teams. Stand him up, and have a backup lineman chop him at the knees with intent to injure on two or three straight plays.

If every team reacted this way he'd either be out of the game, or he'd get the message. Especially in pre-season this is a no-cost strategy and solves the problem.

 
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'wdcrob said:
I'm always amazed that a player who cheap shots QBs on a regular basis is allowed to continue by opposing teams. Stand him up, and have a backup lineman chop him at the knees with intent to injure on two or three straight plays.

If every team reacted this way he'd either be out of the game, or he'd get the message. Especially in pre-season this is a no-cost strategy and solves the problem.
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Good luck.
 
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Cheap Shot = Beating two offensive linemen, grabbing the QB while he still has the ball, and taking him to the ground.

 
'jon_mx said:
Cheap Shot = Beating two offensive linemen, grabbing the QB while he still has the ball, and taking him to the ground.
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In today's league, yeah. :mellow:I like hearing the old players talk about Suh on NFL Network. They love the guy. I don't think calling him "dirty" is fair, because when you hear "dirty" as a description of the defensive player, the guy that comes to mind is Albert Haynesworth. And I don't think anyone would willingly compare the two. Suh plays hard and to the whistle, regardless of who is in his grasp. Can't fault him for the NFL separating QBs from the rest of the the players.
 
As a Lion's fan I like to see Suh be tough. That being said I don't want him to do things to hurt the team. Too many penalties will hurt the team. There is a fine line between playing hard nosed football and being dirty. I hope he is just playing hard and not playing with the intent to injure. I'm just fearful he may be getting a bad reputation and is going to get flagged for little stuff which will most definitely hurt the team.

 
Only read the first page, but I'm not understanding the outrage. INtent is everything. It looked like a malicious hit in real life. The fact that he "missed" Cutlers head by a few inches is entirely irrelevant. The fact that the hit ended up being legal is NOT more important than the fact that it looks like he INTENDED to hit him maliciously near the head.

I've been one to argue against fining defenders when offensive players duck into a bad hit at the last second. Intent means more than the result in such a fast paced violent game.

As such, I'm OK with this fine.

ETA: Officials on the field should never be asked to judge intent...thats for league officials using slo-mo to do. If it LOOKS like a blow to the head...flag it. Sort out intent (fine) or not later.

 
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Rule 12, Section 2, Article 1

All players are prohibited from...

©striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side

of the hand, wrist, arm, elbow, or clasped hands.

That hit, while not as malicious as it appeared live, was CLEARLY to the back of the neck. Good penalty, good fine. (15K is a minor fine.)

 
'mcintyre1 said:
'jon_mx said:
Cheap Shot = Beating two offensive linemen, grabbing the QB while he still has the ball, and taking him to the ground.
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In today's league, yeah. :mellow: I like hearing the old players talk about Suh on NFL Network. They love the guy. I don't think calling him "dirty" is fair, because when you hear "dirty" as a description of the defensive player, the guy that comes to mind is Albert Haynesworth. And I don't think anyone would willingly compare the two. Suh plays hard and to the whistle, regardless of who is in his grasp. Can't fault him for the NFL separating QBs from the rest of the the players.
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Why not? Is he a big dumb animal that cannot learn rules? I'd like to think not.
 
I think this is more about trying to reign in Suh. The dude is a little too aggressive after the play is over.

 
'jon_mx said:
Suh plays 110 percent. So does Fairley. Detroit's DL is going to get a Bad Boys label similar to the Pistons when they were last winning Championships. Detroit is getting a lot a buzz this preseason, and I think it is not only merited but in fact understates just how good some of the offseason moves were.

I can't wait until Detroit announces their next major FA pickup, three-time pro-bowl offensive lineman Leonard Davis. :thumbup:

Detroit has just restructured a couple of contracts and have freed up $8.5 miilion in cap space. There will be more pickups.
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Wow, you couldn't be more wrong on the bolded.
 
He's clearly a very gifted athlete who plays all out, every play. No doubt. My problem with him is he consistently plays PAST the whistle and the hit he just got fined for, imo, was clearly over the top. Taking the QB and throwing him to the ground on his head like that after the play was clearly over is just unacceptable.

I think he needs to be coached up to play his style of football but to stop at the whistle. Otherwise, in the end, he is hurting his own team because he will continue to take stupid penalties like that.

 
'Silver & Black said:
He's clearly a very gifted athlete who plays all out, every play. No doubt. My problem with him is he consistently plays PAST the whistle and the hit he just got fined for, imo, was clearly over the top. Taking the QB and throwing him to the ground on his head like that after the play was clearly over is just unacceptable. I think he needs to be coached up to play his style of football but to stop at the whistle. Otherwise, in the end, he is hurting his own team because he will continue to take stupid penalties like that.
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Both these penalties "after the whistle" were in preseason. During the regular season, there was the Cutler push or whatever that was and the phantom horse collar on Marion Barber. There are a lot of guys who fly around leading with their head or whom dive at knees and are much more dangerous and dirty than Suh.
 
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So it seems like people in this thread are fans of the new patty-cake NFL?

QBs are the same as any other player on the field. The truly great ones will take the hits like everyone else. RBs and WRs don't get to toss the ball away to avoid a hit. Perhaps QBs should tuck the ball and take the hit if they don't want to be "exposed" to big shots while throwing the ball. That big shot is the risk you're taking for trying to avoid a loss of yardage for your team.

The only reason this is an issue is because of the way the league office has changed the rules to favor QBs. If Dalton were a RB rather than a QB, there'd be no flag and no fine on that play. Similarly, if Cutler were a RB, no flag, no fine, just a "Man, that was a great hit" from the announcers and a bunch of gasps and high-fives from Lions fans.

 
'mcintyre1 said:
So it seems like people in this thread are fans of the new patty-cake NFL?

QBs are the same as any other player on the field. The truly great ones will take the hits like everyone else. RBs and WRs don't get to toss the ball away to avoid a hit. Perhaps QBs should tuck the ball and take the hit if they don't want to be "exposed" to big shots while throwing the ball. That big shot is the risk you're taking for trying to avoid a loss of yardage for your team.

The only reason this is an issue is because of the way the league office has changed the rules to favor QBs. If Dalton were a RB rather than a QB, there'd be no flag and no fine on that play. Similarly, if Cutler were a RB, no flag, no fine, just a "Man, that was a great hit" from the announcers and a bunch of gasps and high-fives from Lions fans.
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Not hardly. I wanna see big hits, tough guys playing thru injuries, QB's NOT getting special treatment, etc........just stop when the whistle blows. I've seen Suh keep going after the whistle multiple times very aggressively. I think thats what this is about. One guy who seems to be showing a pattern. The one play in question might be a lame call, but Suh is drawing attention to himself. Guys that do what he does are gonna get the flag quicker.
 
'RUSF18 said:
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong on the bolded.
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Well I am glad Fairley got such a bum rap on his attitude. Despite his injury, he is hitting the weight room hard and he has his nose in the playbook. He has been a model citizen in camp, and will have a lot of great players pushing him on the defensive line. A lot of GM's will be kicking themselves in the butt for passing on who was a top rated talent in the draft due to incorrect information before this season is done
 
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