Report: Vick likely to be shut down for the year (1 Viewer)

[SWC]

letter j you are the man thanks for agreeing i hope that you have a good time sponsoring sesame street my brohan

 

[menobrown]

Oh, Vick was his own worst enemy, the line excuse is only a part of the equation in what's wrong with the offense. He has zero awareness to what's going on around him and gets killed because of it. Problem is Foles is not going to be any better. When things go smoothly he's fine, but he handles adversity poorly and doesn't make plays when it breaks down in front of him - instead making bad mistakes. And his bad mistakes usually come in bunches.This is an awful spot for him to get his shot.

Are you basing this just on yesterday? If so, you obviously need a bigger sample size. If you are basing this on what he did in college, I think you have to give him a chance to learn under his new coaches. Yes, it is not ideal, but a least there is no pressure for him to come in and win right away. He basically has half a season to try and get used to making decisions at NFL speed.

Basing it on college and what I saw yesterday, and I disagree with you on pressure. There is all sorts of pressure on him given the Eagles current front office situation. They need wins to stay and Foles at QB won't produce many wins this year.

Foles gives Reid his only chance of keeping his job and even than I'd put those odds at less than 5%.

Lurie already said 8-8 won't save Reid's job and this team probably won't make it to 8-8. Even if Vick came back in a week or two and played awesome it's to late.

If Foles came in and played great Reid would have a better case. He could blame the problems on Vick's turnovers and make the point that he's developed Foles and to get rid of him or his staff would hinder Foles development.

Either way I don't see this as being added pressure on Foles. If I'm Foles saving Reid's job is not what would keep me up at night. What's more important for him is to be able to showcase his talents and give the Eagles confidence he's the QB of the future so that when they cut Vick they don't make acquiring another QB a major priority.

Foles is a third round pick. If he spends the next 4 years playing out his rookie contract he'll do so at $692,250 per year. The pressure on Foles is to show enough to have that contract torn up before he sees year 4 and get the kind of contract starting QB's in this league get. It's the difference between making some good money or being possibly set for life. IMO that's a lot more pressure than saving the job of a guy who is all but gone already.

Got news for you...9-7 ain't saving his job either. Lurie didn't say he had to do better than 8-8; Lurie said 8-8 isn't good enough (when asked) and went on to say he needed to see "significant improvement". 9-7 and a 1st round playoff loss isn't significant. They would need to make the post season *and* win a game or 2.

That's not news to me and probably not anyone else either. Just because I said the team was not getting to 8-8 I don't see anyplace I inferred if they actually made it to 8-8 or 9-7 he'd be safe either.

 

[menobrown]

Vick cannot learn how to read defenses and make the proper adjustments. He also cannot avoid hard contact, and therefore cannot avoid the turnovers that come with hard contact. I will be very surprised if Vick is an NFL starting QB next year.

Vick has a massive advantage on his side to help him land a starting job. Timing.

He's going to get cut no later than 3 days after the SB. He'll immediately be free to sign with any team which is going to give him a considerable jump on any other FA QB to land a job. QB needy teams would no doubt see a big advantage of taking care of a major need instead of waiting until FA or the draft starts and "hoping" you can land someone.

The only way I don't see Vick getting a starting job is if he gets Flynn'ed. So you know get paid starters money by a QB needy team with the idea you are the starter only to have that team find a QB in the draft they like more. Really, this is the only scenario I don't see Vick getting a starting job.

 

[Tong Po]

Longest sentence EVER without a period.

 

[letter_j]

Longest sentence EVER without a period.

Actually, SWC has chimed in with longer paragraphs with NO punctuation.

 

[duaneok66]

Vick cannot learn how to read defenses and make the proper adjustments. He also cannot avoid hard contact, and therefore cannot avoid the turnovers that come with hard contact. I will be very surprised if Vick is an NFL starting QB next year.

I think it depends. If Vick is willing to be a backup, his options are very wide. As a full time starter, I doubt he will make any team a contender or stay a contender, however as a short term fill in and change of pace QB2, I can see him having immense value. At a base level, I think the following teams will probably talk about Vick, maybe not talk long and hard, though some will, but their own QB1 situations bear some thoughtThese teams could go for a QB1 in the draft but either organizational dysfunction or lack of assets or ownership issues might factor into all of it. Arizona CardinalsNew York JetsOakland RaidersBuffalo BillsThese teams have had recent organizational change over or will, thus new GMs, new coaches and likely will gun for the draft. Jacksonville JaguarsKansas City ChiefsCleveland BrownsCardinals and Bills are my guess, with darkhorses in Seattle and Cincy for backup jobs. In the desert, in a pure Run and Shoot throwback, Vick and that WR corps could really be deadly. Wouldn't make the playoffs or go far if they did, but would be an interesting fantasy situation. When you have a QB1 who can't read, then get him to react. In the shotgun and simply launching the ball with vertical strikes and trying to mismatch teams desperately thin at their dime packages. Bills actually have quite a bit of talent there and a solid O line. I think Nix and Gailey have to weigh out how much they want to save their jobs, if they survive this offseason. I'm not sure what could happen with the Jets, a room with Sanchez, Tebow, Sparano and Vick in it, that would be a room where the projection guy would have the best chance of reading a basic NFL defense. All you would need is Emmitt Smith and you'd have a Mensa grade Scrabble championship team right there.....

excellent post, but I disagree about the Cards and Bills . . .Gailey (if he is still there) runs a complicated scheme, so that counts out Vick . . . and I don't think that Whisenhunt would put up with Vick.

 

[dhockster]

Vick cannot learn how to read defenses and make the proper adjustments. He also cannot avoid hard contact, and therefore cannot avoid the turnovers that come with hard contact. I will be very surprised if Vick is an NFL starting QB next year.

Vick has a massive advantage on his side to help him land a starting job. Timing.

He's going to get cut no later than 3 days after the SB. He'll immediately be free to sign with any team which is going to give him a considerable jump on any other FA QB to land a job. QB needy teams would no doubt see a big advantage of taking care of a major need instead of waiting until FA or the draft starts and "hoping" you can land someone.

The only way I don't see Vick getting a starting job is if he gets Flynn'ed. So you know get paid starters money by a QB needy team with the idea you are the starter only to have that team find a QB in the draft they like more. Really, this is the only scenario I don't see Vick getting a starting job.

Let me amend what I said a little bit. Teams make unwise moves all the time. I think it will be an unwise move for a team to sign Vick as a starting QB for the following reasons:-He is aging, and every additional year is making his strength (his running ability) weaker

-He is injury Prone

-He turns the ball over a lot

-He doesn't read defenses well

-He doesn't know how to avoid the big hit.

For a coach, all of the above will get you fired. But coaches don't always make the hiring decisions.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Want to know what Vick will be like as a starter on another team next year? Look at McNabb when he left then apply.

 

[Dizzy]

Good move for all involved... Vick needs the rest (he's punch drunk IMO), Foles needs to play, and Reid/Eagles/City of Philadelphia need something to get excited about for the end of this ride.

 

[JuniorNB]

Picking up Foles is obvious - especially given the matchup this week. The more difficult decision is for Vick owners. What are you going to do? He's been a Top 12-15 QB in many scoring systems before yesterday so it's not like he's been a bum. Do you hold and hope he returns or do you put your faith in this report, expect him to be shelved for the rest of the season and move in another direction?

Reid/Vick in zona makes sense...

Reid, maybe. Vick, no. He's terrible. Not even a viable starter anymore. Once he lost a bit of his athleticism, his stupidity became painfully apparent.

 

[Koya]

Want to know what Vick will be like as a starter on another team next year? Look at McNabb when he left then apply.

Vick has a lot more left in his tank than McNabb did when he left, imo.

 

[packersfan]

Picking up Foles is obvious - especially given the matchup this week. The more difficult decision is for Vick owners. What are you going to do? He's been a Top 12-15 QB in many scoring systems before yesterday so it's not like he's been a bum. Do you hold and hope he returns or do you put your faith in this report, expect him to be shelved for the rest of the season and move in another direction?

Reid/Vick in zona makes sense...

Reid, maybe. Vick, no. He's terrible. Not even a viable starter anymore. Once he lost a bit of his athleticism, his stupidity became painfully apparent.

I like Reid and have never liked Vick from an NFL perspective but I think Andy has done more harm to the Eagles this season than Vick. His playcalling (specifically with regard to how McCoy is used) is often baffling and continuously puts his team at a disadvantage.I'll ask Vick owners again - are you holding onto Vick or are you bailing thinking this report will come to fruition?

 

[taz]

Picking up Foles is obvious - especially given the matchup this week. The more difficult decision is for Vick owners. What are you going to do? He's been a Top 12-15 QB in many scoring systems before yesterday so it's not like he's been a bum. Do you hold and hope he returns or do you put your faith in this report, expect him to be shelved for the rest of the season and move in another direction?

Reid/Vick in zona makes sense...

Reid, maybe. Vick, no. He's terrible. Not even a viable starter anymore. Once he lost a bit of his athleticism, his stupidity became painfully apparent.

I like Reid and have never liked Vick from an NFL perspective but I think Andy has done more harm to the Eagles this season than Vick. His playcalling (specifically with regard to how McCoy is used) is often baffling and continuously puts his team at a disadvantage.I'll ask Vick owners again - are you holding onto Vick or are you bailing thinking this report will come to fruition?

My waiver period starts Wednesday, but I'm ready to cut bait. I have Flacco, but my league is shallow enough that I can take a chance on Foles, Locker or Wilson, or even pull a trade for another team's QB2 (Freeman, Dalton, Luck). At this point, it just makes too much sense for the Eagles to move forward without Vick.

 

[kegger]

"I'll ask Vick owners again - are you holding onto Vick or are you bailing thinking this report will come to fruition? "

I'm not sure at this point, I'm in an 2QB league with Vick/Palmer/Brees, and we can only have 3 QB's on our roster there.

Palmer/Brees is working well, but Vick was a great 3rd for me and I used him a fair amount with great success.

There isn't much on my waiver wire but if I wait it only gets worse, I'm "considering" dropping Vick for Wilson.

I would hate to Drop Vick for him to come back an somebody else grabbed him, he's a better option than a Wilson is.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Want to know what Vick will be like as a starter on another team next year? Look at McNabb when he left then apply.

Vick has a lot more left in his tank than McNabb did when he left, imo.

Vick simply isn't the passer McNabb is or was at this point in their careers. Vick will only get slower. There will only be more picks and more fumbles and more injuries. IMO, Vick won't last 2 more years after leaving. No other team will give him the contract and leash we did. Once those turnovers start he's done if the injuries don't get him first.

 

[Nash]

I'll ask Vick owners again - are you holding onto Vick or are you bailing thinking this report will come to fruition?

I'm not sure what to make of the report. Some people have said that the "rest" is a good thing for Vick, as it allows him to "save face". That doesn't make much sense to me. The report is public information and it clearly implies that Vick was benched. Moreover, it goes on to say that Reid and the coaching staff have been wanting to bench Vick for some time. How does that allow Vick to save face? If anything, it adds insult to injury. Who were Jason Cole's sources? The same people who told Eskin after the Falcons game that Vick was going to be benched? Some of the assistant coaches have been rumored to be anti-Vick. Was it them? Vick's agent? I would take the report with a grain of salt for now. Regardless, I'm stuck with Foles/Vick (and Locker) until i can make a trade. If I can't make a trade, then Vick is my only chance at having QB1 production. Therefore, he's a hold for me.

 

[packersfan]

I turned my question into a poll. Might be of help for Vick owners this week.

Link

 

[letter_j]

Schefter now has this to say on the Foles/Vick debate:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Eagles are planning to start Nick Foles in Week 11.

Barring a miracle turnaround from Michael Vick (concussion), Foles will make his first career start against the Redskins. Foles was already slated to take all the first-team reps in Wednesday's practice, while Vick's "significant" concussion is widely expected to sideline him for weeks, not days. Although many Eagles fans and fantasy owners have grown hungry for change at quarterback in Philadelphia, it's important to remember Foles is a 23-year-old rookie who saw 87 players come off the board ahead of him in last April's draft, including six quarterbacks. He is going to struggle, more than likely mightily. He shouldn't be trusted as a QB2 until further notice.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Nov 12 - 4:10 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7475/nick-foles

 

[BBBen89]

i remember mike vick tearing the old wiener texter a new one at lambeau in the playoffs ruining the home playoff win streak that had held for 30 years give or take way to go brent you stink i guess you had better make up for it by betraying the state and your marriage but jeez was vick something then you just could not get near him when his wheels were all working but the problem is that he never could pass and still cant and his favorite move ni the pocket is to get a head injury so i do not think he will ever be much he had some high points for sure and i am sure all the tech fans love it but hey they love hokies whatever those are to so i guess dance with that girl who brung you anyhow i think this is the end my friend for teh old vicks vapor rub take that to the bank brosidan king of rhe broceans

Epic post. Congratulations on making it through without using a single period.The only thing I want to mention is that Vick went 13-25 for 117 yards and a touchdown in that Packers game - solid but unspectacular. The real MVP of that game was Atl. Special Teams if I remember correctly.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

These posters acting like Vick is ready to clean toilets at a YMCA from here on out

The SP soap opera writers are in full swing. Tune in next week for as The NFL turns.

 

[Billy Bats]

I think this is Reid doing Vick a favor. Now Vick doesn't have to get "benched" and he can get cleared for next year somewhere else.I think the Oline ruined Vick. He was absolutely the best player in the league for a couple months two years ago. But the never-ending horrific Oline play just did him in.

Thats pretty a wrong statement. Vick went bad long before the OL went bad. He's not a good QB, he's still the same guy he was in Atlanta all those years ago and he's getting slower.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

letter j you are the man thanks for agreeing i hope that you have a good time sponsoring sesame street my brohan

 

[rockaction]

letter j you are the man thanks for agreeing i hope that you have a good time sponsoring sesame street my brohan

 

[SameSongNDance]

i remember mike vick tearing the old wiener texter a new one at lambeau in the playoffs ruining the home playoff win streak that had held for 30 years give or take way to go brent you stink i guess you had better make up for it by betraying the state and your marriage but jeez was vick something then you just could not get near him when his wheels were all working but the problem is that he never could pass and still cant and his favorite move ni the pocket is to get a head injury so i do not think he will ever be much he had some high points for sure and i am sure all the tech fans love it but hey they love hokies whatever those are to so i guess dance with that girl who brung you anyhow i think this is the end my friend for teh old vicks vapor rub take that to the bank brosidan king of rhe broceans

Best schtick on FBG.

By far, and its not even close.