RG3 Dynasty Owners (What are you doing now?) (1 Viewer)

[jacobo_moses]

Is anyone besides me strongly thinking about selling RG3 after he has a few stellar games in 2013? I mean come one. The risk of re-injury goes up 15-18% on him tearing his ACL a 3rd time. I mean this is coming from the expert DR's. Not just some random #. THese are the odds he has of blowing it out again. Unless Shannahan plans on coddling RG3 which I highly doubt. It scares me so much I'm going to sell soon as his value is at its highest again.

 

[Sylira21]

Is anyone besides me strongly thinking about selling RG3 after he has a few stellar games in 2013? I mean come one. The risk of re-injury goes up 15-18% on him tearing his ACL a 3rd time. I mean this is coming from the expert DR's. Not just some random #. THese are the odds he has of blowing it out again. Unless Shannahan plans on coddling RG3 which I highly doubt. It scares me so much I'm going to sell soon as his value is at its highest again.

Thought the article you quoted said 13-15%.Given the vast publicity of this knee, it will take RG3 a long time to regain the "full" value he had coming out of college, if that is possible. Maybe a full, non-injured year of Pro Bowl numbers. Otherwise, owners will almost certainly be selling at a discount.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I won't be jumping ship so soon. The thing with RG, unlike Vick & McNabb, is that he is a very talented passer along with his rushing skills. It sucks that we FF owners won't get the same running stats from him in the future but I'm sure he'll make up for it with this passing abilities once he healthy again.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Has anyone made any trades unloading RG3 or trying to acquire him in Dynasty leagues? Just asking.

 

[meyerj31]

I won't be jumping ship so soon. The thing with RG, unlike Vick & McNabb, is that he is a very talented passer along with his rushing skills. It sucks that we FF owners won't get the same running stats from him in the future but I'm sure he'll make up for it with this passing abilities once he healthy again.

He is? I was under the impression he throws an inaccurate deep ball and most of the reason he did well when he did pass was because the secondary was usually light to prevent him from running. If the injury forces him to be a pure pocket passer I think people are going to be disappointed in his performance. He's not a Luck, Rodgers, Brees, or Brady. I think he could easily be a top 15 option in that regards but he won't be worth near what he has been worth.

 

[squistion]

I won't be jumping ship so soon. The thing with RG, unlike Vick & McNabb, is that he is a very talented passer along with his rushing skills. It sucks that we FF owners won't get the same running stats from him in the future but I'm sure he'll make up for it with this passing abilities once he healthy again.

He is? I was under the impression he throws an inaccurate deep ball and most of the reason he did well when he did pass was because the secondary was usually light to prevent him from running. If the injury forces him to be a pure pocket passer I think people are going to be disappointed in his performance. He's not a Luck, Rodgers, Brees, or Brady. I think he could easily be a top 15 option in that regards but he won't be worth near what he has been worth.

An impression that I don't agree with based on viewing his college games and highlights that are available on YouTube.

 

[kface]

I won't be jumping ship so soon. The thing with RG, unlike Vick & McNabb, is that he is a very talented passer along with his rushing skills. It sucks that we FF owners won't get the same running stats from him in the future but I'm sure he'll make up for it with this passing abilities once he healthy again.

He is? I was under the impression he throws an inaccurate deep ball and most of the reason he did well when he did pass was because the secondary was usually light to prevent him from running. If the injury forces him to be a pure pocket passer I think people are going to be disappointed in his performance. He's not a Luck, Rodgers, Brees, or Brady. I think he could easily be a top 15 option in that regards but he won't be worth near what he has been worth.

An impression that I don't agree with based on viewing his college games and highlights that are available on YouTube.

I tend to agree with the middle poster. From watching him in college and this year I don't think he will be a great pocket passer. The threat of him running makes defenses pinch up and gives wrs the jump. If he is forced to stay in the pocked, imho, he is in trouble. I don't think he will be terrible but from a FF perspective I think he will be as good as anyone you could draft in rounds 8-12

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Griffin's first down conversion percentage for third down passes was 33.3 percent last year which puts him well towards the bottom half of the leagues starting qb's. This puts him well behind Wilson (43.2%)and Luck (42.9%), slightly behind Tannehill (37.5) and Kaepernick (36.1), and near even with Weeden (33.8%) and Foles (32.4%). Even among the rookie class, Griffin was a pretty pedestrian passer on third down situations.

 

[Spin]

I offered him plus a 3rd for Kaepernick and was turned down. I don't know if I want to take much less value hit then that. So I'll hold him and Cousins and see where I sit next year. If he lights the world on fire again at the beginning of next season, I'll try to move him then.

 

[dgreen]

Griffin's passing success came on play-action and his numbers struggled without play-action. (I'm sure those splits are online somewhere.) This can either indicate he's not as good of a passer as some believe or it could mean that his receivers struggled to get open and create separation when there wasn't play-action. Or it could be a combination. Probably relevant to this discussion is that Cousins' success against Cleveland was largely off of play action. That could indicate a WR problem. Also, before the injuries, Griffin would buy a ton of time and keep his eyes far downfield. It seemed like he was looking and looking for open receivers quite a bit and wasn't finding them. He could probably improve some of his efficiency stats in the pocket by hitting the check down quicker rather than keeping the play alive for the longer attempt. My memory tells me he didn't check down a lot.I think there's too much praise across the board for many of the young QBs who appear to be hitting wide open receivers and rarely have to fit too many balls into tight spaces. I think guys like Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick are really benefiting from WR separation and large throwing windows. Having said that, I haven't noticed many problems with Griffin's deep ball. In fact, I think some of his passes to tightly covered WRs have been deep.

 

[biju]

Griffin's passing success came on play-action and his numbers struggled without play-action. (I'm sure those splits are online somewhere.) This can either indicate he's not as good of a passer as some believe or it could mean that his receivers struggled to get open and create separation when there wasn't play-action. Or it could be a combination. Probably relevant to this discussion is that Cousins' success against Cleveland was largely off of play action. That could indicate a WR problem. Also, before the injuries, Griffin would buy a ton of time and keep his eyes far downfield. It seemed like he was looking and looking for open receivers quite a bit and wasn't finding them. He could probably improve some of his efficiency stats in the pocket by hitting the check down quicker rather than keeping the play alive for the longer attempt. My memory tells me he didn't check down a lot.

I think there's too much praise across the board for many of the young QBs who appear to be hitting wide open receivers and rarely have to fit too many balls into tight spaces. I think guys like Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick are really benefiting from WR separation and large throwing windows. Having said that, I haven't noticed many problems with Griffin's deep ball. In fact, I think some of his passes to tightly covered WRs have been deep.

Not trying to turn this into a Seahawks thread, but Wilson had the same WRs as Tarvaris Jackson did last year (actually, Baldwin was healthy last year) and the team was significantly improved. This isn't separation as much as anticipation, which is why they suddenly seem wide open.With Griffin I really think he will need to improve his reads, as I thought over the course of the year that he mainly threw to his first read and was slow to get to his second. If he can improve there he'll be just fine.

 

[Warrior]

Griffin's passing success came on play-action and his numbers struggled without play-action. (I'm sure those splits are online somewhere.) This can either indicate he's not as good of a passer as some believe or it could mean that his receivers struggled to get open and create separation when there wasn't play-action. Or it could be a combination. Probably relevant to this discussion is that Cousins' success against Cleveland was largely off of play action. That could indicate a WR problem. Also, before the injuries, Griffin would buy a ton of time and keep his eyes far downfield. It seemed like he was looking and looking for open receivers quite a bit and wasn't finding them. He could probably improve some of his efficiency stats in the pocket by hitting the check down quicker rather than keeping the play alive for the longer attempt. My memory tells me he didn't check down a lot.

I think there's too much praise across the board for many of the young QBs who appear to be hitting wide open receivers and rarely have to fit too many balls into tight spaces. I think guys like Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick are really benefiting from WR separation and large throwing windows. Having said that, I haven't noticed many problems with Griffin's deep ball. In fact, I think some of his passes to tightly covered WRs have been deep.

Not trying to turn this into a Seahawks thread, but Wilson had the same WRs as Tarvaris Jackson did last year (actually, Baldwin was healthy last year) and the team was significantly improved. This isn't separation as much as anticipation, which is why they suddenly seem wide open.With Griffin I really think he will need to improve his reads, as I thought over the course of the year that he mainly threw to his first read and was slow to get to his second. If he can improve there he'll be just fine.

Saying that Wilson is doing a better job of hitting his receivers than Tarvaris Jackson isn't saying much at all. Not to mention that Sidney Rice was hurt most of last season.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Interesting thing to point out-“I’m really mad at the football gods for putting him in the NFC East,” Giants defensive end Justin Tuck, who picked up his first sack of the season, said, via Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News. “He’s going to be a headache.”“Let me tell you something, that guy is flat-out unbelievable,” defensive end Osi Umenyiora, who also had a sack, said, via Mike Garafolo of USA Today.Griffin finished the day 20-of-28 for 258 yards and two touchdowns. He had a third one called back because of an illegal shift penalty in the first quarter and added 89 rushing yards. That wasn’t enough to get him a win, but it sounds like he left the Giants pretty impressed anyway."

 

[jacobo_moses]

INteresting article if you get a chance to read. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--concern-over-rg3-s-health-shows-how-transcendent-the-rookie-already-is-213146807.html

 

[meyerj31]

Griffin's first down conversion percentage for third down passes was 33.3 percent last year which puts him well towards the bottom half of the leagues starting qb's. This puts him well behind Wilson (43.2%)and Luck (42.9%), slightly behind Tannehill (37.5) and Kaepernick (36.1), and near even with Weeden (33.8%) and Foles (32.4%). Even among the rookie class, Griffin was a pretty pedestrian passer on third down situations.

Yea this seems about right. I believe Wilson will continue to outperform RG3 as a pocket passer. Unfortunately the lock down DEF and commitment to the run still caps Wilson's fantasy upside. Wilson does struggle a bit on arm strength with deep balls as well. RG3 has the strength but not the accuracy. One thing I've learned from watching QBs come and go is that accuracy tends to be a far greater prediction of success than strength at the NFL level.

 

[biju]

Griffin's passing success came on play-action and his numbers struggled without play-action. (I'm sure those splits are online somewhere.) This can either indicate he's not as good of a passer as some believe or it could mean that his receivers struggled to get open and create separation when there wasn't play-action. Or it could be a combination. Probably relevant to this discussion is that Cousins' success against Cleveland was largely off of play action. That could indicate a WR problem. Also, before the injuries, Griffin would buy a ton of time and keep his eyes far downfield. It seemed like he was looking and looking for open receivers quite a bit and wasn't finding them. He could probably improve some of his efficiency stats in the pocket by hitting the check down quicker rather than keeping the play alive for the longer attempt. My memory tells me he didn't check down a lot.

I think there's too much praise across the board for many of the young QBs who appear to be hitting wide open receivers and rarely have to fit too many balls into tight spaces. I think guys like Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick are really benefiting from WR separation and large throwing windows. Having said that, I haven't noticed many problems with Griffin's deep ball. In fact, I think some of his passes to tightly covered WRs have been deep.

Not trying to turn this into a Seahawks thread, but Wilson had the same WRs as Tarvaris Jackson did last year (actually, Baldwin was healthy last year) and the team was significantly improved. This isn't separation as much as anticipation, which is why they suddenly seem wide open.With Griffin I really think he will need to improve his reads, as I thought over the course of the year that he mainly threw to his first read and was slow to get to his second. If he can improve there he'll be just fine.

Saying that Wilson is doing a better job of hitting his receivers than Tarvaris Jackson isn't saying much at all. Not to mention that Sidney Rice was hurt most of last season.

Sure, but you're kind of making my point for me by saying he's an improvement over Jackson. Jackson was, from a numbers standpoint, about as average as you could get in 2011. Let me explain my thought process here...I'm not accusing you specifically, but I think there is some sort of thought that every pass Brady, Manning, Rodgers makes are these ridiculous tight-window throws that only they can make. They do actually do that on occasion, but I suspect that if you were to count out the number of passes that are "amazing" vs. well timed and executed passes that have the WR pretty open you'll see that an average QB like Tarvaris Jackson actually has fewer "wide open" throws because he wasn't able to anticipate them being wide open before he threw it.

In other words, I believe it is more of a marker of a great QB to make those wide-open throws because they anticipated and executed. The "see it, throw it" crowd is a lesser QB that will have great success at times and also terrible games, dependent upon scheme and the skill of the defensive players. I believe that is the fundamental difference between Jackson in 2011 and Wilson in 2012, not just one player healthy or not. I also believe you can apply that across the board to this year's QBs. I also stand behind my assessment of Griffin and what he'll need to do to improve in 2013, especially if he isn't going to be able to run with such reckless abandon.

 

[dgreen]

RG3 has the strength but not the accuracy.

What are you basing this on? Personal observation?ESPN has splits based on length of throw and Griffin's numbers seem to stack up fine against other players. Although, Griffin didn't throw nearly as many deep balls as other QBs. I just quickly compared him to Wilson and Luck (for obvious reasons) then threw in Rodgers and Brady for fun.Griffin was 4-13 on passes over 40 yards. Wilson was 3-12, Luck 2-12, Rodgers 1-6, and Brady 0-6.In the 31-40 yard category, Griffin loses out, going 0-4. Wilson was 6-17, Luck 5-18, Rodgers 4-7, and Brady 6-13.However, Griffin blows them away in the 21-30 yard category, going 11-16. Wilson was 10-27, Luck 19-53, Rodgers 14-35, and Brady 15-44.Put all three categories together for a 20+ yard grouping and you have Griffin at 15-33 (45.5%), Wilson 19-56 (33.9%), Luck 26-83 (31.3%), Rodgers 19-48 (39.6%), and Brady 21-63 (33.3%).

 

[jacobo_moses]

RG3 has the strength but not the accuracy.

What are you basing this on? Personal observation?ESPN has splits based on length of throw and Griffin's numbers seem to stack up fine against other players. Although, Griffin didn't throw nearly as many deep balls as other QBs. I just quickly compared him to Wilson and Luck (for obvious reasons) then threw in Rodgers and Brady for fun.

Griffin was 4-13 on passes over 40 yards. Wilson was 3-12, Luck 2-12, Rodgers 1-6, and Brady 0-6.

In the 31-40 yard category, Griffin loses out, going 0-4. Wilson was 6-17, Luck 5-18, Rodgers 4-7, and Brady 6-13.

However, Griffin blows them away in the 21-30 yard category, going 11-16. Wilson was 10-27, Luck 19-53, Rodgers 14-35, and Brady 15-44.

Put all three categories together for a 20+ yard grouping and you have Griffin at 15-33 (45.5%), Wilson 19-56 (33.9%), Luck 26-83 (31.3%), Rodgers 19-48 (39.6%), and Brady 21-63 (33.3%).

With that said about RG3. Lets keep in mind he only had Garcon for a handful of games. So these numbers can be skewed. I remember several games where everyone was like man RG3 hit those guys (Hankerson, Moss, and Morgan) in the hands and they had the major drops. So I think RG3 would've had even better numbers had he had a Reggie Wayne or a Sidney Rice for most of the season. Just saying.

 

[KellysHeroes]

the inaccuracy claims are dumb

 

[Tau837]

Wilson does struggle a bit on arm strength with deep balls as well.

Huh?

 

[jacobo_moses]

RG3 Throws a great deep ball and on point. Wilson (From the games I've watched does struggle with that a little. But I think he is getting there.

 

[Tau837]

There is no issue or question about Wilson's arm strength or deep passing. I'm surprised anyone who has watched him play much would question that.Pro Football Focus shows that Wilson threw deep on a higher percentage of his throws than any other NFL QB who took at least 25% of his team's snaps other than Flacco, and from that group, Wilson had the 7th best deep accuracy

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Im just backing him up with Cousins in a 16 team league, so no real options. Going to wait until he is at the peak again before I consider selling . No sense selling low.

 

[Azhais]

http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3899538/rg3-injury-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-dr-james-andrewsSounds like they're treating RG3 with stem cells, which is why everyone is so optimistic about his recovery time. Reasonably interesting article.

 

[jacobo_moses]

This gives me hope as an RG3 Dynasty Owner. Amazing what they can do with medical findings now. Maybe I will hold onto him. Interesting.