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*** Richard Sherman Thread *** 2.0 - now with less tool (1 Viewer)
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Hooper31
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I've noticed this too. Thomas has definitely drawn some attention to himself. Not only with his more demonstrative body language, but with his play.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I think that Chancellor defends him. I also think that Graham gets knocked the #### out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIUMlwP3bDk
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am a little late to the party but I thought Sherman looked bad in that interview with Skip Bayless, and Stephen A. Smith. I don't think Sherman is a d-bag like a lot do and I don't have any love for Skip Bayless. Sherman continued to attack Skip even when Skip said ok you want to attack me and that is fine, but lets do the interview and not make it personal. The other reason Sherman looked bad in that interview is because of the way he says I was first team all pro, which means I am one of the 22 best football players in the NFL, and then Sherman came off very stupid by saying I don't think you are the best 22 in what you do. Sherman should have done his homework if he wanted to call Skip out, find out if Skip has won any awards for his profession. I am sure there are more sports writers then NFL players so being in the top 22 is harder for Skip.
I think Sherman is a great player, I just think takes his job very serious and his emotions can get the best of him and that is why you see the I talking and the I told you so from him.
I think Sherman is a great player, I just think takes his job very serious and his emotions can get the best of him and that is why you see the I talking and the I told you so from him.
proninja
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
Thurmond is not being suspended for PEDs. I guess reading comprehension is not important.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
seahawk 17 said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
You are right i did assume it was for PEDs since a 1 time offence results in a 4 game suspension. A 4 game suspension for substance abuse only results after he has been caught 3 times. He must have a real problem.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
What a complete and utter moron. This means it's the second time he's failed a drug test and has been getting tested throughout the whole season, not just in TC. For a guy who's been injured so much that he dropped in the draft and is looking at taking over a starting job next year and making a big payday, he's a real idiot. That's just the personal loss. Failing his team like that is inexcusable. A chance to get HFA and the biggest tests being the next 2 games, and this turd can't stop smoking weed on the bye week and now we're down 2 of the top 3 corners for SF. I guess the silver lining is that at least he won't get hurt again. I was waiting for some kind of bye week hammer to fall, like a DUI or a failed drug test.
biju
Footballguy
Yep. Exactly why I said earlier "What a moron". Perhaps that is being too tough if he really has a problem, however I suspect it was marijuana.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
People shouldn't call him a moron. Maybe he's addicted. You don't know his situation enough to call him bad names. I will pray for him.
MASSHOLE
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The Swanman
Footballguy
Here is a video with an interview on Sherman discussing his upbringing and they show his childhood home in Compton and such... I already liked him but this made me view him just a bit different (better)
http://www.nfl.com/v...king-cornerback
"11:01 – Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman is known for getting in the faces of opponents and speaking his mind. Find out how his tough upbringing has inspired him to be a great person and athlete."
http://www.nfl.com/v...king-cornerback
"11:01 – Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman is known for getting in the faces of opponents and speaking his mind. Find out how his tough upbringing has inspired him to be a great person and athlete."
Hooper31
Footballguy
Oh Richard. Another embarrasing moment in the life of an elite insecure CB. Thinking back to the season after Sherman was a rookie a lot lately. This is what I thought of him after his rookie season:
Compounding all this he's not getting paid yet. After one more game the team will have to decide whether or not they want to invest in him. They will have him under contract for one more season, but I have serious doubts they will want to go through the 2014 season with him "playing for a contract". That would be a constant distraction. So far Schneider has done a marvelous job of keeping the locker room happy and paying performers via extensions. Mebane, Chancellor, Bryant, Lynch, and Clemons have all been given the golden ticket second contract. Compounding this even further the team has a wealth of CBs on the roster. Maxwell, Thurmond, and Lane can all play. Seattle fans were being mocked and called homers when Browner was out, but eyes have been opened. They are deep at CB. Three other guys that were on Seattle's roster during the preseason started games in the NFL on other teams this season (two were in JAX).
Ugh. Best guess? Sherman gets paid this offseason and stays in Seattle, but they're not going to be able to keep everyone. These are defensive guys that they have to make decisions on for one reason or another.
On defense:
Avril (FA)
Bennett (FA)
McDaniel (FA)
McDonald (FA)
Bryant (cap casualty?)
Clemons (cap casualty?)
Thurmond (FA)
NOTE: The only defensive linemen on the team that I know will be back next year is Mebane.
The chip on his shoulder is huge. Ginormous even. There were a few of us that recognized the talent immediately. He felt slighted by the national media. Even after his second season he wasn't named to the pro-bowl (but he did get the first team all-pro tag).
Compounding all this he's not getting paid yet. After one more game the team will have to decide whether or not they want to invest in him. They will have him under contract for one more season, but I have serious doubts they will want to go through the 2014 season with him "playing for a contract". That would be a constant distraction. So far Schneider has done a marvelous job of keeping the locker room happy and paying performers via extensions. Mebane, Chancellor, Bryant, Lynch, and Clemons have all been given the golden ticket second contract. Compounding this even further the team has a wealth of CBs on the roster. Maxwell, Thurmond, and Lane can all play. Seattle fans were being mocked and called homers when Browner was out, but eyes have been opened. They are deep at CB. Three other guys that were on Seattle's roster during the preseason started games in the NFL on other teams this season (two were in JAX).
Ugh. Best guess? Sherman gets paid this offseason and stays in Seattle, but they're not going to be able to keep everyone. These are defensive guys that they have to make decisions on for one reason or another.
On defense:
Avril (FA)
Bennett (FA)
McDaniel (FA)
McDonald (FA)
Bryant (cap casualty?)
Clemons (cap casualty?)
Thurmond (FA)
NOTE: The only defensive linemen on the team that I know will be back next year is Mebane.
biju
Footballguy
I love Sherman's play and I really like it when he rides the line of confidence/cockiness, but calling yourself the best and calling out other players in a personal beef on national TV is pretty rough. I'll continue to support the Seahawks and Sherman, but I would really appreciate it if he just let his play do the talking now. Everyone is giving him his credit at this point so just keep enough of the chip on your shoulder to perform.
One thing to note above: I'm pretty certain Avril signed a two year deal. Given this, I think we have to pay Bennett and I would like to re-sign McDaniel if we can get a deal. Otherwise I suppose we're hoping Jordan Hill is injury-free and continues his upward trend.
I would like to re-sign Thurmond if he comes cheap. Otherwise I'm confident in Maxwell and Lane, as well as confident Carroll can find more guys. (Actually, I think DeShawn Shead looked great in preseason.)
I agree that Bryant, Clemons, and Rice will be cap casualties.
Hooper31
Footballguy
You're 100% correct on this. I was way off.
Bennett will be tough to keep if you want to pay both Sherman and Thomas. Both are now eligible to be extended.
Kleck
Footballguy
I don't know how accurate this site is or the Seahawks' salary, but it looks like they could save quite a bit of money by cutting Sydney Rice. It would leave some dead money, but the cap gain seems well worth it. Schneider is a great GM. I'm sure he'll find a way to keep the important guys and still make sure to have room for Wilson by 2016.
http://overthecap.com/calculator/?Team=Seahawks
http://overthecap.com/calculator/?Team=Seahawks
Hooper31
Footballguy
After Rice was injured I think his chances to remaining a Seahawk went way up. He was an obvious cap casualty at the moment, but I think the chances of him taking a paycut and resigning in Seattle are much greater now.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I have no problem with Sherman or what he said in the heat of the moment after a huge win. In fact I loved it. That was raw emotion. I have heard him numerous times in interviews when he was calm and "intellectual" is a word that I would never use to describe him regardless of where he graduated from. Sherman is a very good NFL CB, one of the best. Lets leave it at that.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Exactly. We're going to lose Tate most likely. Maybe Baldwin as well, though as an RFA I think they have a better chance to keep him.
Same deal with Thurmond.
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MaxThreshold
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Hooper31
Footballguy
I bet they put a 2nd round tag on Baldwin. With the depth and quality at the WR position in the coming draft I doubt any NFL team is ready to give up their second rounder to sign Baldwin.
Not sure on Thurmond. When I looked up his contract status on Rotoworld it only showed him as a FA, not restricted.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Sorry, I meant that, like Rice, his issues would make him cheaper for the Hawks to re-sign.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Makes sense. Thurmond's suspension makes it more likely that other teams won't touch him, and if they do it will be at a much lower price. This of course means it makes more sense for him to just resign with Seattle.
Kleck
Footballguy
Makes sense. Hard for Rice to expect that kind of money from any team right now.
What do you think about Zach Miller at his current cap price for 2014? I know he plays a much bigger role than his stat lines suggest. Any thoughts on him possibly restructuring?
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biju
Footballguy
I think we don't find this out until after the 2014 draft. I have to think a lot depends on whether we take a TE at the end of the first round (I don't think we will, but I would be surprised if we didn't address the position).
Hooper31
Footballguy
This is a tough one. The TE position in the Seattle offense is an essential part of the run game, and obviously this is a run first team. Miller has great hands, but has really lost a step (did he every have one?). I have doubts they would consider relying on a rookie TE to bolster their run game. My guess is Miller plays out his contact.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Jewell
Footballguy
To each their own indeed, but this seems like you're inconsistently applying criticism. Both Bayless and Sherman are guilty of essentially the same offense that you mention -- going out of their way to intentionally draw attention to themselves. And they're both often boorish in doing so. This offense apparently makes Bayless a pig, but Sherman remains a choir boy.
I understand the main criticism you have is people labeling Sherman a thug when that label doesn't appear to apply, but underlying that is people being turned off by Sherman. You were turned off by the other thread because it contained posters who entertained themselves by trying to piss off other people so it should be easy to see where other posters are turned off by Sherman because he appears to entertain himself by trying to piss off other people.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Jewell
Footballguy
Well, they were Hooper's words minus the phrase "at his core", but let me put it this way -- Hooper didn't extend the same benefit of the doubt that Bayless, at his core, may not be the pig that he portrays on TV. I understand that Hooper likely knows more about Sherman outside of what we see on TV then he does of Bayless outside of what we see on TV, but he's guilty of falling into the same trap that others are doing of Sherman -- summing up a person based solely on what they see on TV. This isn't to be overly critical of Hooper. It's just to show that all people form their opinion of someone based only on the information they know. These opinions may or may not be correct when you broaden the scope of looking at that person's life.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
And I wasn't trying to be overly critical of you, but the choir boy was way out of step with what Hooper was saying.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
This is very wrong IMO. Bayless is a liar on TV. He's equivalent to an internet troll from what I've seen. He's intellectually dishonest. That doesn't sell for me. I'm not interested in defending Sherman as a person, but I've attempted to do a lot of reading to learn more about him as a person. Have you? If so, share what you find. If you need help I can point you in about five different directions that might help.
Challenge for you. If you're interested in educating me about Bayless as a person I'm willing to read whatever you can dig up. His charity work. Things he's done as a humanitarian that's benefited his community. Show me what you find that will improve my image of Bayless.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Sherman is well above average in this regard. I would not be surprised if there's a "donation for every time we make Manning say Omaha" to his charities coming to match the Broncos. Despite the animosity, the Niners and Seahawks, led by their fans attempts to out-fan each other, ended up donating large sums of donated money to children's hospitals in the opposite city. Imagine what they'll do in the biggest sports event of the year between two teams that are civil.
Jewell
Footballguy
But you are interested in defending Sherman as a person. That's the point of your OP. That's fine. I agree with your OP. That's why I haven't said anything negative about Sherman other than agreeing with you that he likes to call attention to himself and get under people's skin. Fine with me. I always preferred wrestling heels; and too much personality, even negative personality, beats the boring, cliche-filled interview IMHO. I even agreed with you that the word "thug" was being inappropriately applied to Sherman.
I just find it interesting that after defending Sherman against people's incomplete picture of him you're willing to conclude that Skip Bayless is a pig of a human based on how he conducts himself on TV.
So, once again, I'm not criticizing Sherman. I'm not defending Bayless' antics on TV. I'm just suggesting it seems inconsistent to reach such a definitive conclusion about Bayless as a person based on the exaggerated persona he puts on for TV while telling people they're mistaken about Sherman if they're basing their opinion of him solely from what they see on TV.
I'm not interested in educating you on Bayless for two reasons. First, I don't really give a ####. Second, it now appears that we're coming at this from different angles. You're saying that you need positive information about the person to counter an image you've already formed about them as a person based off their TV appearances; and I'm saying that I don't really know what these people are like as humans so I don't develop a strong feeling about them as people, either good or bad, based solely off their TV appearances.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
Seeing lots of "defending" comments all over the place. Trying to understand a person is not the same as defending a person. Further, not having a more or less intense emotional reaction in any given set of circumstances doesn't make one person right and the other wrong. Largely I think most of what counts as discussion/argument is really people getting upset that "you aren't just like me". The world would be a much happier place if we were able to more readily accept that we are all going to react differently to any given set of circumstances.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
There are a few guys here who can tell just from a few sentences what other people are feeling/motivated by. Ask them.
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
As I said in the other thread, take away the adderall and he becomes a below average CB.
MarcO
Footballguy
I guess what bugs me is that the INT and Sherman's play was not an indication that Crabtree is a mediocre WR. It's more of an indication that Kaepernick is a mediocre QB and it was a bad decision and a bad pass from a mediocre QB and sure, also that Sherman is indeed one of the best, if not the best corner in the league.
Sherman used the moment to settle a personal beef with Crabtree - he looked like a doosh doing it. He's a smart enough that he shouldn't be surprised that people think he is one now. i'm not sure he gets the same reaction if he went after Kaepernick instead of Crabtree.
It doesn't mean he is a doosh - just because he was acting like one but most people don't care - they're happy enough to label someone a doosh, or worse, based on his 10 seconds of dooshbaggery.
Sherman used the moment to settle a personal beef with Crabtree - he looked like a doosh doing it. He's a smart enough that he shouldn't be surprised that people think he is one now. i'm not sure he gets the same reaction if he went after Kaepernick instead of Crabtree.
It doesn't mean he is a doosh - just because he was acting like one but most people don't care - they're happy enough to label someone a doosh, or worse, based on his 10 seconds of dooshbaggery.
