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Richard Sherman Won His Appeal (1 Viewer)

In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
*Yawn*Nope, he didn't test positive. The sample did. Since it wasn't regulated the way that the test was designed to be, it doesn't mean anything. But I'm sure you'll continue to argue it in some other way and avoid my question because it doesn't suit your argument.I'm getting so full on all that hate...
Wow...the sample put itself in that cup huh...it did not come out of him.Look, make the excuse you want that he didn't test positive (he did).Its not hate...I don't hate the Seahawks...or Sherman. The guy is a hell of a player.I will argue against your BS statements because that is what they are.Now taking the semantic argument to say he did not test positive? Please.And we can go down the road...lets assume that the cup that was poured into was even used by Browner first (a completely idiotic assumption btw).There would have been trace amounts...if any in the few drops left in the cup. You really think that would trigger a positive test?Are some of you that desperate to try and think Sherman didn't do anything?
It's surprising to me that you're so desperate to be right that you're overlooking some very obvious points here. At any rate, keep going. I love that you're still posting in this. Unfortunately, you're really not winning this argument and it's only making you look silly.
You have not made anyone look silly.its not shocking you can't answer to what I posted...just as you could not point out where I have ever stated the Seahawks cheated in week 3.So basically, you like throwing around allegations you can't back up...and when you get called on it...you deflect as you did here.
 
In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
*Yawn*Nope, he didn't test positive. The sample did. Since it wasn't regulated the way that the test was designed to be, it doesn't mean anything. But I'm sure you'll continue to argue it in some other way and avoid my question because it doesn't suit your argument.I'm getting so full on all that hate...
So what, in your mind, is the most realistic scenario here? Someone switched the sample? Does the process of transferring a leaking sample to another cup introduce Adderall into it? Are these or any other scenario more likely than him simply taking the drug?
Another person had already tested positive during the same sampling. There were empty cups already out that were not sealed of which one was used capture the remaining sample. Furthermore, this is the 7th test that needed to be thrown out for this tester in the last 6 months. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong.I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario (as I suspect your next move is to call out Occam's Razor). But I do find it interesting that in this case people are very willing to choose findings over process--there's a reason why the process exists and it's to eliminate times where findings are incorrect. This is the perfect storm of why the process needs to win.
 
In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
*Yawn*Nope, he didn't test positive. The sample did. Since it wasn't regulated the way that the test was designed to be, it doesn't mean anything. But I'm sure you'll continue to argue it in some other way and avoid my question because it doesn't suit your argument.I'm getting so full on all that hate...
Wow...the sample put itself in that cup huh...it did not come out of him.Look, make the excuse you want that he didn't test positive (he did).Its not hate...I don't hate the Seahawks...or Sherman. The guy is a hell of a player.I will argue against your BS statements because that is what they are.Now taking the semantic argument to say he did not test positive? Please.And we can go down the road...lets assume that the cup that was poured into was even used by Browner first (a completely idiotic assumption btw).There would have been trace amounts...if any in the few drops left in the cup. You really think that would trigger a positive test?Are some of you that desperate to try and think Sherman didn't do anything?
It's surprising to me that you're so desperate to be right that you're overlooking some very obvious points here. At any rate, keep going. I love that you're still posting in this. Unfortunately, you're really not winning this argument and it's only making you look silly.
You have not made anyone look silly.its not shocking you can't answer to what I posted...just as you could not point out where I have ever stated the Seahawks cheated in week 3.So basically, you like throwing around allegations you can't back up...and when you get called on it...you deflect as you did here.
If you keep going I'm going to have to charge for therapy.
 
Another person had already tested positive during the same sampling. There were empty cups already out that were not sealed of which one was used capture the remaining sample. Furthermore, this is the 7th test that needed to be thrown out for this tester in the last 6 months. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong.

I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario (as I suspect your next move is to call out Occam's Razor). But I do find it interesting that in this case people are very willing to choose findings over process--there's a reason why the process exists and it's to eliminate times where findings are incorrect. This is the perfect storm of why the process needs to win.
First part of the bolded is based only on the testimony of Sherman after the fact as read in the letter linked earlier from his lawyers.2nd part of it we have heard in here...but there has yet to be anything shown to back this up as far as the tester is concerned.

And again...do you think if there was a drop or two of piss in one of those cups...and the tester was dumb enough to use a cup previously used...right in front of Sherman...and he was dumb enough to not say anything right there...that the few drops of piss mixed with his own would shown enough to trigger a positive test?

In this case people are willing to trust the results of the test that in all liklihood are accurate despite what Sherman's legal team is trying to present.

I think all agree the process needs to be done better...but most sane people will agree the guy was likely guilty and would not keep trying to defend this as the few Hawks fans keep doing.

 
In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
*Yawn*Nope, he didn't test positive. The sample did. Since it wasn't regulated the way that the test was designed to be, it doesn't mean anything. But I'm sure you'll continue to argue it in some other way and avoid my question because it doesn't suit your argument.I'm getting so full on all that hate...
Wow...the sample put itself in that cup huh...it did not come out of him.Look, make the excuse you want that he didn't test positive (he did).Its not hate...I don't hate the Seahawks...or Sherman. The guy is a hell of a player.I will argue against your BS statements because that is what they are.Now taking the semantic argument to say he did not test positive? Please.And we can go down the road...lets assume that the cup that was poured into was even used by Browner first (a completely idiotic assumption btw).There would have been trace amounts...if any in the few drops left in the cup. You really think that would trigger a positive test?Are some of you that desperate to try and think Sherman didn't do anything?
It's surprising to me that you're so desperate to be right that you're overlooking some very obvious points here. At any rate, keep going. I love that you're still posting in this. Unfortunately, you're really not winning this argument and it's only making you look silly.
You have not made anyone look silly.its not shocking you can't answer to what I posted...just as you could not point out where I have ever stated the Seahawks cheated in week 3.So basically, you like throwing around allegations you can't back up...and when you get called on it...you deflect as you did here.
If you keep going I'm going to have to charge for therapy.
Id keep doing til you back up anything you have claimed...but, we all know you won't ever do that.
 
In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.

We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.

After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
:lmao: Oh, the bolded above was a question? Guess I missed the question mark.

You realize that using just the term drug is more common to the substance abuse usage, and in the context of my statements is clearly the substance abuse usage. Because it was clear in the context of your post that you didn't know what you were talking about. PEDs is used for performance enhancers (that's what the P and E stand for, btw).

You don't need to tell me what the policy is, I know. That's how I knew that you didn't.

The funniest part is that you don't even realize that I'm mocking you about it even further.

Did you ever figure out what "if" means?

Got any more genius level posts to mock?
So you don't read my entire post right...just that first sentence? Gotcha.
I was hoping you'd post something silly, thank you for the morning gift. I could not have written the bolded sentence above without reading the end of your second.... sentence (or whatever it is). Thank you for proving my point for me. When you need someone to throw you a rope to get you out of your ever deepening hole, let me know.
Thats your excuse...yeah...go with that I guess.
What's my excuse for what? You implied I didn't read your post, yet I directly replied to the end of your second sentence, clearly marking it as read. I don't even realize what excuse I'm making, though based on your last several posts, it'll probably be either non existent or not actually an excuse and you just can't figure out what you're talking about. Excelsior!
 
Why does sho nuff care so much about this? I come back to this thread 24 hours later and its littered with his posts.
Because he's still butthurt. He keeps claiming I'm not answering any of his questions but he's the one that started by not seriously answering any of mine. I was going to keep playing with him until he got bored but there's no end in sight. I guess I'm going to let him ride off into the sunset with his hate.
 
Why does sho nuff care so much about this? I come back to this thread 24 hours later and its littered with his posts.
Because he's still butthurt. He keeps claiming I'm not answering any of his questions but he's the one that started by not seriously answering any of mine. I was going to keep playing with him until he got bored but there's no end in sight. I guess I'm going to let him ride off into the sunset with his hate.
Butthurt....not at all. This does not change anything about the season...I started it? What are you, 12?Btw...still waiting foe you to show where I have called the Hawks cheaters...which was one of your first posts to me.And what question of yours have I not answered?But again...typical of you...make assertions. ..then fail to back them up and run and hide.
 
In addition...wouldn't this be the 2nd offense since there was to be a 4 game suspension.We don't hear about the first offense that gets them into the drug program...the 2nd is the 4 game suspension correct?
Well, more of you not knowing what you're talking about. He isn't in the drug program, nor did he test positive for any drugs.
Hence the question mark and I added more information above.And yes...he did test positive...you realize that PEDs and adderall is a drug...a banned substance...now, there are two separate policies and reading now the steriod and banned substance policy the first offense gets a 4 gamer.After you question my reading comprehension all day, perhaps you should learn what a question mark is.
*Yawn*Nope, he didn't test positive. The sample did. Since it wasn't regulated the way that the test was designed to be, it doesn't mean anything. But I'm sure you'll continue to argue it in some other way and avoid my question because it doesn't suit your argument.I'm getting so full on all that hate...
So what, in your mind, is the most realistic scenario here? Someone switched the sample? Does the process of transferring a leaking sample to another cup introduce Adderall into it? Are these or any other scenario more likely than him simply taking the drug?
Another person had already tested positive during the same sampling. There were empty cups already out that were not sealed of which one was used capture the remaining sample. Furthermore, this is the 7th test that needed to be thrown out for this tester in the last 6 months. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong.I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario (as I suspect your next move is to call out Occam's Razor). But I do find it interesting that in this case people are very willing to choose findings over process--there's a reason why the process exists and it's to eliminate times where findings are incorrect. This is the perfect storm of why the process needs to win.
I understand that there's enough doubt to lift the suspension, but not enough doubt in my mind to make me think he didn't take adderall. I still say he got lucky and got off on a technicality.
 
Sherman obviously was caught but got lucky.

Is there some of you in here that still think Lance Armstrong is innocent too?

Those of you saying "well I guess we never know" are fooling yourself. Sherman got lucky the end. No need to argue or debate it.

 
Why does sho nuff care so much about this? I come back to this thread 24 hours later and its littered with his posts.
Because he's still butthurt. He keeps claiming I'm not answering any of his questions but he's the one that started by not seriously answering any of mine. I was going to keep playing with him until he got bored but there's no end in sight. I guess I'm going to let him ride off into the sunset with his hate.
Butthurt....not at all. This does not change anything about the season...I started it? What are you, 12?Btw...still waiting foe you to show where I have called the Hawks cheaters...which was one of your first posts to me.And what question of yours have I not answered?But again...typical of you...make assertions. ..then fail to back them up and run and hide.
We are all 12, actuallyThis thread is as bad as religion threads in the FFA at this point.
 
'sho nuff said:
'biju said:
Another person had already tested positive during the same sampling. There were empty cups already out that were not sealed of which one was used capture the remaining sample. Furthermore, this is the 7th test that needed to be thrown out for this tester in the last 6 months. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong.

I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario (as I suspect your next move is to call out Occam's Razor). But I do find it interesting that in this case people are very willing to choose findings over process--there's a reason why the process exists and it's to eliminate times where findings are incorrect. This is the perfect storm of why the process needs to win.
First part of the bolded is based only on the testimony of Sherman after the fact as read in the letter linked earlier from his lawyers.2nd part of it we have heard in here...but there has yet to be anything shown to back this up as far as the tester is concerned.

And again...do you think if there was a drop or two of piss in one of those cups...and the tester was dumb enough to use a cup previously used...right in front of Sherman...and he was dumb enough to not say anything right there...that the few drops of piss mixed with his own would shown enough to trigger a positive test?

In this case people are willing to trust the results of the test that in all liklihood are accurate despite what Sherman's legal team is trying to present.

I think all agree the process needs to be done better...but most sane people will agree the guy was likely guilty and would not keep trying to defend this as the few Hawks fans keep doing.
from the tester:
For those wondering....a confidentiality agreement between the NFL and a certain player and his representation has been breeched leading to complete misrepresentation of facts and slanderous allegations. I assure you that at some point soon there will be a statement from this side that will hold the truth and what has been fabricated in the media through the player. Thank you to those who know me and my charachter and have offered your continued support.
 
'sho nuff said:
'biju said:
Another person had already tested positive during the same sampling. There were empty cups already out that were not sealed of which one was used capture the remaining sample. Furthermore, this is the 7th test that needed to be thrown out for this tester in the last 6 months. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong.

I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario (as I suspect your next move is to call out Occam's Razor). But I do find it interesting that in this case people are very willing to choose findings over process--there's a reason why the process exists and it's to eliminate times where findings are incorrect. This is the perfect storm of why the process needs to win.
First part of the bolded is based only on the testimony of Sherman after the fact as read in the letter linked earlier from his lawyers.2nd part of it we have heard in here...but there has yet to be anything shown to back this up as far as the tester is concerned.

And again...do you think if there was a drop or two of piss in one of those cups...and the tester was dumb enough to use a cup previously used...right in front of Sherman...and he was dumb enough to not say anything right there...that the few drops of piss mixed with his own would shown enough to trigger a positive test?

In this case people are willing to trust the results of the test that in all liklihood are accurate despite what Sherman's legal team is trying to present.

I think all agree the process needs to be done better...but most sane people will agree the guy was likely guilty and would not keep trying to defend this as the few Hawks fans keep doing.
from the tester:
For those wondering....a confidentiality agreement between the NFL and a certain player and his representation has been breeched leading to complete misrepresentation of facts and slanderous allegations. I assure you that at some point soon there will be a statement from this side that will hold the truth and what has been fabricated in the media through the player. Thank you to those who know me and my charachter and have offered your continued support.
If he was right, Sherman would be suspended.
 
Have you guys seen

Hero? Yeah, this is why people think the internet is filled with morons--because people say moronic #### like this. You're probably normal in real life, but on the internet you're a ########.
 
Love this kid. Smart, humble, really good at football. Glad he's on the team I root for.
I know skip bayless is terrible, and I'd never spend a minute watching or listening to one of his shows, but I can't fathom anyone thinking Sherman got the better of this. The whole "I'm better at life than you" was shockingly immature. Im glad you enjoy having him on your team, because I certainly wouldn't.
 
Love this kid. Smart, humble, really good at football. Glad he's on the team I root for.
I know skip bayless is terrible, and I'd never spend a minute watching or listening to one of his shows, but I can't fathom anyone thinking Sherman got the better of this. The whole "I'm better at life than you" was shockingly immature. Im glad you enjoy having him on your team, because I certainly wouldn't.
:thumbup: I thought Sherman was supposed to be trash talker. That was the best he's got? He sounded like me in my 9th grade public speaking class.

Maybe he hasn't been the same since Silverback slapped the taste out his mouth.

 
Love this kid. Smart, humble, really good at football. Glad he's on the team I root for.
I know skip bayless is terrible, and I'd never spend a minute watching or listening to one of his shows, but I can't fathom anyone thinking Sherman got the better of this. The whole "I'm better at life than you" was shockingly immature. Im glad you enjoy having him on your team, because I certainly wouldn't.
:thumbup: I thought Sherman was supposed to be trash talker. That was the best he's got? He sounded like me in my 9th grade public speaking class.

Maybe he hasn't been the same since Silverback slapped the taste out his mouth.
Talk about some of the worst sportsmanship i've ever seen
 
Love this kid. Smart, humble, really good at football. Glad he's on the team I root for.
I know skip bayless is terrible, and I'd never spend a minute watching or listening to one of his shows, but I can't fathom anyone thinking Sherman got the better of this. The whole "I'm better at life than you" was shockingly immature. Im glad you enjoy having him on your team, because I certainly wouldn't.
Amen to that. He tried to outdo Skip Bayless at his own game, and it comes across extremely poorly (as does Skip Bayless' schtick, obviously). There's no denying that Sheman is an incredible football player, but this exchange with Bayless only served to make him look like more of a toolbox than Bayless himself.
 
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.

 
Love this kid. Smart, humble, really good at football. Glad he's on the team I root for.
I know skip bayless is terrible, and I'd never spend a minute watching or listening to one of his shows, but I can't fathom anyone thinking Sherman got the better of this. The whole "I'm better at life than you" was shockingly immature. Im glad you enjoy having him on your team, because I certainly wouldn't.
:thumbup: I thought Sherman was supposed to be trash talker. That was the best he's got? He sounded like me in my 9th grade public speaking class.

Maybe he hasn't been the same since Silverback slapped the taste out his mouth.
Talk about some of the worst sportsmanship i've ever seen
:goodposting: Sherman was way out of line.

 
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for. Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
 
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for. Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
We'll see how good Sherman is at life when he's out of the league in 5 years, broke and forgotten.
 
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for. Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
:goodposting:
 
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for.

Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
Perhaps you missed the part bolded. And I was specific enough that I wasn't condoning it, but appreciating the approach of using logic instead of opinion.
 
'biju said:
'SayWhat? said:
'biju said:
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for.

Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
Perhaps you missed the part bolded. And I was specific enough that I wasn't condoning it, but appreciating the approach of using logic instead of opinion.
The bolded is like saying..."no offense but..." then going on to blast someone.Both Sherman and Bayless looked foolish there and there was no reason to defend Sherman's behavior other than him being your guy on your team.

 
'Hang 10 said:
'SayWhat? said:
'biju said:
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Standford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for. Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
We'll see how good Sherman is at life when he's out of the league in 5 years, broke and forgotten.
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'biju said:
'SayWhat? said:
'biju said:
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Stanford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for.

Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
Perhaps you missed the part bolded. And I was specific enough that I wasn't condoning it, but appreciating the approach of using logic instead of opinion.
I understood that you weren't condoning what he said, and believe me, I'm always in favor of someone laying the smack down on that clown Bayless. I just don't think that Sherman came close to accomplishing that. A great majority of what Sherman said wasn't based on any sort of "logic." I'm an All-Pro and you'll never be? Since Bayless isn't a professional football player, that's not logical. It's idiotic. Same goes for being a Stanford grad. Yeah, I'm sure those Stanford grads are real proud of how you're representing their University. Claiming that he was better at life than Bayless will ever be sure wasn't a statement that was logical in nature. Resorting to calling Bayless names....ehhh, I think you get my point. Most of what he said was nowhere near logical. As childish and immature as Bayless typically is, Sherman just came across as looking like an insecure fool from this.

 
'biju said:
'SayWhat? said:
'biju said:
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Stanford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for.

Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
Perhaps you missed the part bolded. And I was specific enough that I wasn't condoning it, but appreciating the approach of using logic instead of opinion.
I understood that you weren't condoning what he said, and believe me, I'm always in favor of someone laying the smack down on that clown Bayless. I just don't think that Sherman came close to accomplishing that. A great majority of what Sherman said wasn't based on any sort of "logic." I'm an All-Pro and you'll never be? Since Bayless isn't a professional football player, that's not logical. It's idiotic. Same goes for being a Stanford grad. Yeah, I'm sure those Stanford grads are real proud of how you're representing their University. Claiming that he was better at life than Bayless will ever be sure wasn't a statement that was logical in nature. Resorting to calling Bayless names....ehhh, I think you get my point. Most of what he said was nowhere near logical. As childish and immature as Bayless typically is, Sherman just came across as looking like an insecure fool from this.
Well, you kinda picked all of the stuff that was circumstantial and not part of the real discussion.Bayless was asking Sherman if he thinks he's the best corner in the NFL. Sherman replied with stats and asked for a comparison of stats against other corners. Bayless' argument was simply "you're not in the same league as Revis". Explain to me what is qualitative about Sherman's point and/or what is quantitative about Bayless' point. Again, keep it to the question that started the rants and not the actual rant.

 
'biju said:
'SayWhat? said:
'biju said:
I think what might be missing here is that Sherman was on First Take to kick off a promotion of charities and Bayless ended up down that path. I would agree that Sherman didn't handle the situation in the best way, but I certainly don't mind him attacking Bayless at all and I believe he was actually giving a sound argument: here are my stats, what is your argument? Bayless only had opinion and wouldn't actually state any argumentative points.

I think Smith and Bayless thought they were going to get a trash talker to say something trash talky and then walk him into a corner. They ended up getting a dose of their own medicine. Good for Sherman.
Good for Sherman for stooping to Skip Bayless' level? What has this world come to? I don't get your take at all. If Sherman was there to kick off a promotion of charities, don't you take the high road (look Mr. Bayless, I'm here to talk about this promotion of charities, not be attacked by you") which would make Bayless look like an even bigger ######? And Sherman's "sound argument" was that he is an "All-Pro Stanford graduate which is something that Skip Bayless will never accomplish" and that he is "better at life than Skip?" That's embarrassing, and on the opposite end of what I'd consider a sound argument because Skip isn't going to attend Stanford nor play professional football, and "I'm better than life at you" is just a moronic thing to say to anyone in any argument. Just a childish exchange by Sherman, which is exactly what Bayless was looking for.

Bayless is in general a loser. But Sherman lost this "debate" without much question.
Perhaps you missed the part bolded. And I was specific enough that I wasn't condoning it, but appreciating the approach of using logic instead of opinion.
I understood that you weren't condoning what he said, and believe me, I'm always in favor of someone laying the smack down on that clown Bayless. I just don't think that Sherman came close to accomplishing that. A great majority of what Sherman said wasn't based on any sort of "logic." I'm an All-Pro and you'll never be? Since Bayless isn't a professional football player, that's not logical. It's idiotic. Same goes for being a Stanford grad. Yeah, I'm sure those Stanford grads are real proud of how you're representing their University. Claiming that he was better at life than Bayless will ever be sure wasn't a statement that was logical in nature. Resorting to calling Bayless names....ehhh, I think you get my point. Most of what he said was nowhere near logical. As childish and immature as Bayless typically is, Sherman just came across as looking like an insecure fool from this.
Well, you kinda picked all of the stuff that was circumstantial and not part of the real discussion.Bayless was asking Sherman if he thinks he's the best corner in the NFL. Sherman replied with stats and asked for a comparison of stats against other corners. Bayless' argument was simply "you're not in the same league as Revis". Explain to me what is qualitative about Sherman's point and/or what is quantitative about Bayless' point. Again, keep it to the question that started the rants and not the actual rant.
:wall: nobody has argued bayless was making a solid quantitative argument, just that Sherman's rant made him seem like a 9 year old, and that Sherman's "logic" would not exactly support a doctoral thesis either.
 

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