Rivers over Brady for AFC in Pro Bowl (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

You've got to be kidding me.

 

[Borat]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Is this a pro bowl for this year or for a career?

 

[LHUCKS]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?Brady is just a better QB...why don't we put Rex Grossman in for the NFC, the Bears have 12 wins.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Is this a pro bowl for this year or for a career?

Both in Rivers' case.

 

[Borat]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Really? Rivers's team has been the best team in the league, and his stats are on par with Brady's.

 

[Mario Kart]

Never thought I would see the day. LHUCKS sticking up for a Big 10 QB.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Really? Rivers's team has been the best team in the league, and his stats are on par with Brady's.

Let's put Rex Grossman in then.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

 

[LHUCKS]

Never thought I would see the day. LHUCKS sticking up for a Big 10 QB.

I don't bring my ffa shtick into the shark pool.

 

[Borat]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?Brady is just a better QB...why don't we put Rex Grossman in for the NFC, the Bears have 12 wins.

That's based seasons past. The Pro Bowl is supposed to be based on this year.

 

[LHUCKS]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

Well IMHO, Brady is twice the QB that Rivers will ever be and that includes this year...I dont' care about wins and I don't care about stats.

 

[Borat]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Really? Rivers's team has been the best team in the league, and his stats are on par with Brady's.

Let's put Rex Grossman in then.

Rex Grossman has the 10th best passer rating in his conference, and has been terrible at times this season. Rivers is 4th in his conference, and has played well all season. Are you kidding me here?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

Well IMHO, Brady is twice the QB that Rivers will ever be and that includes this year...I dont' care about wins and I don't care about stats.

So is this based on looks?

 

[BoltBacker]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...

Says the guy that has come up with...Brunell > RiversSimms > RiversKitna > RiversBrad Johnson > RiversLeinart > Rivers... and counting? I guess I missed the "Tom Brady Love... Where is it coming from?" thread.Is this open mic night? You are as emotionally detatched from Rivers as HK is from Gates.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Really? Rivers's team has been the best team in the league, and his stats are on par with Brady's.

Let's put Rex Grossman in then.

Rex Grossman has the 10th best passer rating in his conference, and has been terrible at times this season. Rivers is 4th in his conference, and has played well all season. Are you kidding me here?

Just pointing out that wins are an insignificant stat. I obviously would take Rivers over Grossman.

 

[mad sweeney]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Why? What makes it so asinine? You usually have well thought out posts, whether I agree with them or not, but just syaing it's silly doesn't help much. What aspect of Brady's game makes him so much more deserving? Number wise they're close enough to rule out "asinine" IMO.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...as a matter of fact I often root for the Bolts, but this is an absolutely assanine outcome. I mean seriously.

Why? What makes it so asinine? You usually have well thought out posts, whether I agree with them or not, but just syaing it's silly doesn't help much. What aspect of Brady's game makes him so much more deserving? Number wise they're close enough to rule out "asinine" IMO.

I agree that if you stare at the numbers Rivers is nearly as good this year, but at what point do you ask yourself. "who is the better QB?"Like I said, every GM not living in SD would rather have Brady...case closed. If that's not a tie breaker I don't know what is.

 

[LHUCKS]

I think the playoffs may prove my point...I expect Rivers to fold, despite the best running game and one of the best defenses to support him.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think the playoffs may prove my point

Well the regular season certainly didn't so at least we're not sure if the playoffs will or not.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think the playoffs may prove my point...I expect Rivers to fold, despite the best running game and one of the best defenses to support him.

Why do you expect that? He's never folded before.

 

[s_ezy]

this must be that West Coast Bias coming into play

look how many pro bowlers are from San Diego

something must be up

 

[Limp Ditka]

I think the playoffs may prove my point...I expect Rivers to fold, despite the best running game and one of the best defenses to support him.

Playoffs?Playoffs?

You do realize that they select pro bowlers on regular season performance and whether he folds or not has no impact on you being right or wrong.

 

[LHUCKS]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.

This isn't even close.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.This isn't even close.

This is the first logical and cogent thought you've posted supporting your argument. I think it has some merit.

 

[Gr00vus]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.This isn't even close.

This is the first logical and cogent thought you've posted supporting your argument. I think it has some merit.

I actually agree, I think Brady should be in ahead of Rivers. But I think it's closer than LHUCKS does.Also I think the voting ended prior to week 15's games (anyone know for sure?) at which point Rivers looked better than he does now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

funny lhucks never struck me as some who cared about something as meaningless as the probowl.

Maybe your upset cause you've hated on Rivers all year and he's going to Hawaii?

 

[redsoxfan]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.This isn't even close.

I completely agree with LHUCKS and this is exactly why.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling

Really? Any explanation then, for why Rivers is averaging more yards per completion than Brady? And if you take away Watson and Gates -- because those would be your more conservative passes -- Rivers is averaging 11.5 YPC and Brady is averaging 10.7 YPC.Those numbers would indicate that Brady has been playing more conservatively.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rivers has the edge in:

Wins

Passer rating

Yards per attempt

Adjusted yards per attempt

Completion percentage

Interceptions per attempt

Brady has the edge in:

Touchdowns per attempt

Attempts (and thus total yards and TDs)

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

FWIW, JP Losman has a better QB Rating than Tom Brady this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Rivers has the edge in:

Wins

Passer rating

Yards per attempt

Adjusted yards per attempt

Completion percentage

Interceptions per attempt

Brady has the edge in:

Touchdowns per attempt

Attempts (and thus total yards and TDs)

I 2nd all of this.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Rivers has the edge in:

Wins

Passer rating

Yards per attempt

Adjusted yards per attempt

Completion percentage

Interceptions per attempt

Brady has the edge in:

Touchdowns per attempt

Attempts (and thus total yards and TDs)

I 2nd all of this.

They are facts, they don't really need to be seconded

 

[mad sweeney]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.This isn't even close.

There, that's a point. It's alittle better than "because I said so". Brady's had his years at the Pro-Bowl and I have no doubt he'll be back. The PB is little better than a popularity contest and since Brady has performed "as expected" while Rivers has been "better than expected" then I can easily see this choice. Now if Brady didn't come up 4th in the voting then there may be something amiss. As for your GM question, who would have picked Brady as their "guy" 2 weeks before his first playoff run?

 

[UCLAGIE]

For the stat whores Rivers is just ahead of Brady over at footballoutsiders.com

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php

QUARTERBACKS 2006

Regular season totals, through Week 15, not including Colts-Bengals

Revised as of 12/18/2006

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DPAR, or Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement. This number represents the total number of points scored due to plays where this QB passed or carried the ball, compared to a replacement-level QB in the same game situations. DPAR (and its cousin, PAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average QB in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The simple version: DPAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

DPAR Ranking

1. Manning

2. Brees

3. Palmer

4. Bulger

5. Rivers

6. Brady

 

[tsarc888]

If someone wants to make the arguement for Brady over Rivers that is fine and can be debated. But to say that it's a total joke and not even close really has no merit since it's A. this year only and B. the stats support Rivers.

it may be your opinion that Brady is still a better QB but keep in mind that this isn't like baseball all-fan balloting. 2/3 of this balloting was done by the players and coaches.

 

[redsoxfan]

Rivers has the edge in:

Wins

Passer rating

Yards per attempt

Adjusted yards per attempt

Completion percentage

Interceptions per attempt

Brady has the edge in:

Touchdowns per attempt

Attempts (and thus total yards and TDs)

These are just statistics and if you look hard enough you can always find some statistics to backup any side of an argument.. If this is going to be decided purely by numbers then they should throw out all the voting. You need to look inside the numbers a bit to see who's really more deserving.The fact of the matter is that Brady has a much more significant role to the Patriot's offense than Rivers does in the Charger's offense. Take away Brady from the Patriots and they'd be lucky to have 3 or 4 wins. Take away Rivers from the Chargers and how many of their wins go away? 1? 2?

On the surface these statistics look about equal but look at the supporting cast that has helped them produce those numbers. Rivers has the best RB and the best TE in the game. Brady has had good but not great RB support, good but not great TE's and a collection of WR's that have been learning the offensive system while they're playing in games. The talent around Rivers is giving his statistics a boost upward. The talent around Brady are pulling his stats down. And yet still they ended up about even. So who's more deserving?

 

[Tau837]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...

Says the guy that has come up with...Brunell > RiversSimms > RiversKitna > RiversBrad Johnson > RiversLeinart > Rivers... and counting? I guess I missed the "Tom Brady Love... Where is it coming from?" thread.Is this open mic night? You are as emotionally detatched from Rivers as HK is from Gates.

The posts LHUCKS made about Rivers throughout the preseason are laughable... and now that he has been proven wrong, he is just looking for opportunities to bash Rivers anyway... like his Pro Bowl selection and his upcoming playoff performance.

 

[tsarc888]

Rivers has the edge in:

Wins

Passer rating

Yards per attempt

Adjusted yards per attempt

Completion percentage

Interceptions per attempt

Brady has the edge in:

Touchdowns per attempt

Attempts (and thus total yards and TDs)

These are just statistics and if you look hard enough you can always find some statistics to backup any side of an argument.. If this is going to be decided purely by numbers then they should throw out all the voting. You need to look inside the numbers a bit to see who's really more deserving.The fact of the matter is that Brady has a much more significant role to the Patriot's offense than Rivers does in the Charger's offense. Take away Brady from the Patriots and they'd be lucky to have 3 or 4 wins. Take away Rivers from the Chargers and how many of their wins go away? 1? 2?

On the surface these statistics look about equal but look at the supporting cast that has helped them produce those numbers. Rivers has the best RB and the best TE in the game. Brady has had good but not great RB support, good but not great TE's and a collection of WR's that have been learning the offensive system while they're playing in games. The talent around Rivers is giving his statistics a boost upward. The talent around Brady are pulling his stats down. And yet still they ended up about even. So who's more deserving?

I don't disagree with that but obviously the players and the coaches in the league do. Fans don't know how to vote but I would assume that in general the fans would of picked Brady over Rivers since he's more well known and plays in a bigger market. So essentially it would seem to have been that the players and coaches overwhelmingly chose Rivers.

 

[Tau837]

I think the playoffs may prove my point...I expect Rivers to fold, despite the best running game and one of the best defenses to support him.

Define fold. Is it safe to assume that if the Chargers don't win the Super Bowl you'll claim that Rivers folded? And if they do win, is it safe to assume that you will give all credit to Tomlinson and the defense, no credit to Rivers?

 

[tsarc888]

I hope Rivers and Brady meet in the playoffs so this thread can be rekindled.

 

[ffchamp1]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

Well IMHO, Brady is twice the QB that Rivers will ever be and that includes this year...I dont' care about wins and I don't care about stats.

Are we going on looks then?They both had good years, someone had to lose out

 

[Pack43]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

Well IMHO, Brady is twice the QB that Rivers will ever be and that includes this year...I dont' care about wins and I don't care about stats.

Hard to take you serious with arguments like that.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Take away Rivers from the Chargers and how many of their wins go away? 1? 2?

Probably around five. The backups are Volek and Whitehurst; and Rivers was pretty instrumental against PIT, SF, CIN, DEN, and DEN.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Not that huge of a deal. I do think Brady deserved it a bit more, but I have no problem with the Rivers selection.

I could care less, I'm not emotionally attached to either...

Says the guy that has come up with...Brunell > RiversSimms > RiversKitna > RiversBrad Johnson > RiversLeinart > Rivers... and counting? I guess I missed the "Tom Brady Love... Where is it coming from?" thread.Is this open mic night? You are as emotionally detatched from Rivers as HK is from Gates.

The posts LHUCKS made about Rivers throughout the preseason are laughable... and now that he has been proven wrong, he is just looking for opportunities to bash Rivers anyway... like his Pro Bowl selection and his upcoming playoff performance.

 

[Tau837]

Brady has had to put the team on his back...Rivers has been protected by conservative playcalling, LT and a great defense.This isn't even close.

You have already indicated you are discounting statistics, but I think these QB rating statistics for Rivers show that Rivers hasn't simply been "protected":4th quarter, +/- 3 points: 107.54th quarter, +/- 7 points: 102.9Last 2 minutes of half: 102.81st half: 84.42nd half: 100.51st quarter: 80.72nd quarter: 87.53rd quarter: 87.94th quarter: 116.9Ahead: 90.9Trailing: 96.4Pass attempts 1-10: 79.5Pass attempts 11-20: 87.2Pass attempts 21-30: 103.1Pass attempts 31-40: 121.8Pass attempts 41+: 93.8Can anyone explain how these show that he has simply been protected?

 

[LHUCKS]

This is a classic case of the stats being completely misleading...Brady and Rivers have been competing in two totally different environments. Troy Aikman never had great stats but went to his fair share of Pro Bowls.

Laugh out loud at anyone who believes the stats are telling half the story here...these are the same people who draft like robots straight off of their VBD sheet.

Sheep.

 

[LHUCKS]

Similar stats. Brady has four more TDs, two less wins, and Rivers has him in QB rating. They were pretty even to me.

Okay...give me one GM outside of SD that would rather have Rivers as their QB?

I said that in the Pro Bowl thread if you want to look (page 3). However the Pro Bowl is supposed to be the best players at a position from this year. That's not alsways the case. This surprises me but I don't think it was a bad choice. I think both deserved it and if you look at what Rivers has done with the Bolts, maybe he gets the slight edge.

Well IMHO, Brady is twice the QB that Rivers will ever be and that includes this year...I dont' care about wins and I don't care about stats.

Hard to take you serious with arguments like that.

Well I was exaggerating a bit there...I don't think Rivers is in his class, let's leave it at that. The stats and wins don't mean anything to me in terms of comparing the play of these two this year...completely misleading.