Robert Griffin III declares for draft (1 Viewer)

[firstseason1988]

I like his skill set. Very Michael Vick like. I will target him in dynasty drafts this year.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He's a much better passer than Vick was coming out of VT. He's also a harder worker, better student, and better person than Vick was.

 

[cstu]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

I think you'll know sooner than later as teams are moving away from sitting rookies for multiple seasons.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

In before rizzler claims the Colts are interested in taking him over Luck.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I like his skill set. Very Michael Vick like. I will target him in dynasty drafts this year.

Outside of race, he's not much like Vick. I'd compare him to Aaron Rodgers before I would Michael Vick.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

 

[FavreCo]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

and Jacksonville

 

[cstu]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

 

[cstu]

And if Cleveland gets him you might as well forget about his fantasy future having to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year.

 

[cstu]

I like his skill set. Very Michael Vick like. I will target him in dynasty drafts this year.

Outside of race, he's not much like Vick. I'd compare him to Aaron Rodgers before I would Michael Vick.

I've compared him to Steve Young but it even took him a long time to 'get it' as an NFL QB.

 

[mphtrilogy]

exciting stuff... after cam, the sky's the limit for predictions...

st louis is in the catbird seat....

 

[FavreCo]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

and Jacksonville

The good news for them is that they won't have to pass on him. The bad news is they are stuck with Gabbert.

 

[dgreen]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

Cleveland has additional picks from the Julio Jones trade, so they match up pretty good for a StL trading partner.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

Cleveland has additional picks from the Julio Jones trade, so they match up pretty good for a StL trading partner.

I just don't see them trading up unless they feel confident that he will have a Newton-like impact. Too many holes to fill. And there's no Stewart/DWill/Smiff type help in CLE unless they go hog wild in free agency.

 

[jurb26]

Good for him. With other guys going back he has a ton of value in this draft. There is no way he makes it past #6, where Wash would scoop him up and trip over their chubby running to the stand. I'm guessing he goes #3 as a team trades up to be in front of Clev.... probably Wash or Mia.

Not sure what to make of him just yet. The kid can throw the ball that is certain. I don't like the Baylor offense for getting a good read on things though. Too much time in shotgun and too many half field reads. It's hard not to love the guy as a person and root for him. I think he's got the intangibles to make the transition. He's a hard worker and great athlete, pretty good combination.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

Cleveland has additional picks from the Julio Jones trade, so they match up pretty good for a StL trading partner.

I just don't see them trading up unless they feel confident that he will have a Newton-like impact. Too many holes to fill. And there's no Stewart/DWill/Smiff type help in CLE unless they go hog wild in free agency.

They at least have the ammunition to make it happen. Not sure how it would all sort out, but CLE has 4, 22 & 37, so I'd expect a lot of action from them.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

And if Cleveland gets him you might as well forget about his fantasy future having to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year.

Steelers and Ravens....Meh. Core group on each defense is aging quickly.

 

[cstu]

And if Cleveland gets him you might as well forget about his fantasy future having to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year.

Steelers and Ravens....Meh. Core group on each defense is aging quickly.

They always find a way to replace aging players and still end up with top 10 defenses.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

I would say Griffin III is faster, while Vick beats him out in agility.

 

[jurb26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

Didn't Vick have low 4.3 speed? I doubt RGIII runs that fast. I would say Griffin III is faster, while Vick beats him out in agility.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

 

[jurb26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

Griffin has debated becoming an Olympic sprinter.

 

[cstu]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

I would say Griffin III is faster, while Vick beats him out in agility.

The only verifiable 40 time I've seen for Vick is 4.36 at the rookie mini camp. I don't think Griffin is faster than that, probably closer to 4.5. It doesn't really matter since ultimately it will be his passing that decides if he'll be a success in the league.

 

[jurb26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

Griffin has debated becoming an Olympic sprinter.

OK, is he capable of that? I've really never heard how fast he is.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

In track, he broke state records for the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. He was also a gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. In 2007, as a junior, he was rated the No. 1 high school 400-meter immediate hurdler in the country, and was tied at No. 1 for the 110-meter sprint hurdler in the nation. Also as a junior, he received the Gatorade Texas Boys Track and Field Athlete of the Year award

Maybe Vick is faster in the 40, we'll have to see. But RGIII is a world-class athlete, he's not just some running QB like some might think. He tore his ACL two years ago but from most reports he has had no ill effects. Maybe in a straight line Vick is faster, but this guy is one of the best athletes I've ever seen in college and I don't think I've ever seen a faster guy in-game than him with this kind of skill set. Plus he's such a nice guy, I'm definitely a big fan.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

Griffin has debated becoming an Olympic sprinter.

OK, is he capable of that? I've really never heard how fast he is.

Good question. As a natural sprinter who knows how to explode off the blocks already, and with months to train, I'd say so.

 

[jurb26]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

In track, he broke state records for the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. He was also a gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. In 2007, as a junior, he was rated the No. 1 high school 400-meter immediate hurdler in the country, and was tied at No. 1 for the 110-meter sprint hurdler in the nation. Also as a junior, he received the Gatorade Texas Boys Track and Field Athlete of the Year award

Maybe Vick is faster in the 40, we'll have to see. But RGIII is a world-class athlete, he's not just some running QB like some might think. He tore his ACL two years ago but from most reports he has had no ill effects. Maybe in a straight line Vick is faster, but this guy is one of the best athletes I've ever seen in college and I don't think I've ever seen a faster guy in-game than him with this kind of skill set. Plus he's such a nice guy, I'm definitely a big fan.

I like him even more now that I know he is a hurdler. There is a lot of work and discipline that goes into hurdling, let alone great natural gifts. It's another positive sign to his mental makeup and work ethic IMO.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

While a good runner, Griffin is nowhere near the runner that Vick was coming out. His fantasy value is predicated on him being a passing QB and I don't think he has the impact from the beginning that many do. His upside is huge, but see him taking awhile to develop.

He ran for more yards last year than Vick did in either of his seasons at VT. He's going to blow the combine away.

Griffin ran a lot more, but Vick averaged nearly 6 YPC vs. Griffin's 4 YPC.

College football counts sacks as rush attempts. It can be hard to analyze college QB rushing numbers without access to separate sack data.I really haven't seen much of RG3, but a simple eyeball test tells me they are fairly similar in their running ability.

He's not as elusive as Vick but he's faster. But as a passer he's already ahead of Vick now, and will only get better. I like CSTU's comparing him to Steve Young, I think that's perfect. Same kind of skill set and he'll be ridiculous when plays breakdown and he has to scramble.I've watched a majority of his college games and the only thing I don't love is that he's a bit injury prone. But he has a big arm, great touch, a nice release point, can run with the best of them and he's a very intelligent young man.

How fast is RGIII? I find it hard to believe he could be faster than Vick. Vick had low 4.3 speed. That's crazy fast for anyone, let alone a QB.

In track, he broke state records for the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. He was also a gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. In 2007, as a junior, he was rated the No. 1 high school 400-meter immediate hurdler in the country, and was tied at No. 1 for the 110-meter sprint hurdler in the nation. Also as a junior, he received the Gatorade Texas Boys Track and Field Athlete of the Year award

Maybe Vick is faster in the 40, we'll have to see. But RGIII is a world-class athlete, he's not just some running QB like some might think. He tore his ACL two years ago but from most reports he has had no ill effects. Maybe in a straight line Vick is faster, but this guy is one of the best athletes I've ever seen in college and I don't think I've ever seen a faster guy in-game than him with this kind of skill set. Plus he's such a nice guy, I'm definitely a big fan.

I like him even more now that I know he is a hurdler. There is a lot of work and discipline that goes into hurdling, let alone great natural gifts. It's another positive sign to his mental makeup and work ethic IMO.

All the Big 12 coaches just drool over him, he's just the complete deal. He is the first guy at practice, he is said to be a great student of the game, he loves sitting with the OC and breaking down Ds, his teammates adore him, he understands what it means to win at a place like Baylor but never becomes conceited, etc, etc, etc. When I saw him as a Freshman I was mad OU had missed him but he was a guy that many colleges would have rated a lot higher had they known he had that kind of mental make-up to read and breakdown defenses. He still had buzz though in Texas (because of his track prowess and athleticism)and I remember a Texas friend of mine saying Texas missed the boat on RGIII after he came in as a freshman against Wake and played well. Here is the game I first watched him:

Burst on national scene in third game (second start), rushing for a then-school-record 217 yards and two TDs and throwing for 129 yards and a score in win over Washington State... Also set school and Big 12 single-game records with 19.7 yards-per-rush in WSU win... Won Big 12 Offensive Player of Week and ESPN College Football helmet sticker for performance vs. WSU...

I was like, ####### Baylor has an awesome QB...now I've seen everything.He's one of my favorite CFB players in the last 20 years for sure, but I'm glad he's off to the NFL because losing to Baylor in consecutive years would be too much to take.

 

[rizzler]

In before rizzler claims the Colts are interested in taking him over Luck.

swoon.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I like his skill set. Very Michael Vick like. I will target him in dynasty drafts this year.

Outside of race, he's not much like Vick. I'd compare him to Aaron Rodgers before I would Michael Vick.

I've compared him to Steve Young but it even took him a long time to 'get it' as an NFL QB.

Young is a pretty good comparison as well. He looks to throw instead of run and is very accurate, which sets him apart.

 

[rizzler]

undoubtedly the BEST talent that will come out of this draft.

After he declared, I spent the next 20minutes cleaning the entire near vicinity of my apartment.

 

[Funkley]

I think we'll find out how much the Vikings like Ponder.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I think we'll find out how much the Vikings like Ponder.

Maybe, but I still think that StL determines who gets Griffin.

 

[eric rymer]

Outside of Indy, who would choose a QB early?

Wash. Cle.

Cleveland has additional picks from the Julio Jones trade, so they match up pretty good for a StL trading partner.

I just don't see them trading up unless they feel confident that he will have a Newton-like impact. Too many holes to fill. And there's no Stewart/DWill/Smiff type help in CLE unless they go hog wild in free agency.

They at least have the ammunition to make it happen. Not sure how it would all sort out, but CLE has 4, 22 & 37, so I'd expect a lot of action from them.

I expect a lot of action as well but don't be surprised if it involves a lot of trading down as well. there are a ton of holes and the more picks the better. I like RG3 and think he's a great prospect. If he falls to us I'd gladly take a kings ransom to keep the big picture in mind.

 

[CalBear]

if I'm Indy, I'm looking to trade down for Griffin as a project (and getting multiple other high draft picks in return) instead of dumping Manning and throwing Luck in as a rookie.

 

[todisco1]

if I'm Indy, I'm looking to trade down for Griffin as a project (and getting multiple other high draft picks in return) instead of dumping Manning and throwing Luck in as a rookie.

Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't Indy only be able to trade down to the 2nd pick to land Griffin (assuming teams are trying to move up to get him)? That's a one spot drop and St. Louis isn't going to move up.

 

[CalBear]

if I'm Indy, I'm looking to trade down for Griffin as a project (and getting multiple other high draft picks in return) instead of dumping Manning and throwing Luck in as a rookie.

Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't Indy only be able to trade down to the 2nd pick to land Griffin (assuming teams are trying to move up to get him)? That's a one spot drop and St. Louis isn't going to move up.

Indy could pick Luck, and arrange to trade Luck for Griffin+picks, with whoever winds up with Griffin. If NFL scouts are really as high on Luck as the hype would suggest (which I'm not sure about).