I keep passing over meachem in mocks when im scrambling for a wr. Recently I stopped on him and thought maybe im making a mistake and he is primed for a big year as the no.2 option on maybe the best offense in the league. What wr do some of you guys have this guy slotted? Below nicks? Above S. moss?
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Robert Meachem, is he healthy enough? (1 Viewer)
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az_prof
Footballguy
I would put him above S. Moss but below Nicks. He is a possible top 20 WR but there are serious questions that you mention--recovery from injury and the competition for looks in that offense.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He was a real find last year.
But they won the SB without him basically and his injury seems to linger. Good be a nice value pick
I happen to like Sanatana Moss with McNabbs deep ball this year too
But they won the SB without him basically and his injury seems to linger. Good be a nice value pick
I happen to like Sanatana Moss with McNabbs deep ball this year too
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
If he's healthy enough I think he could make a nice value pick. Not someone to build a team around because of aforementioned competition for targets, but if injury strikes one of the other WRs on that team (and he can stay fit) then all of a sudden you have a first-rate talent in a effective passing offense with one of the best QBs in the league throwing to him DEEP. You could do worse.
Lance Moore coming back took some steam out of Meachum. His TD to catch ratio was one of the highest of all time
I think your smart to let him go on by because I think he is way overrated with Moore there. I rather have Henderson way later myself
I think your smart to let him go on by because I think he is way overrated with Moore there. I rather have Henderson way later myself
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
It's kind of apples and oranges on Moore, who is 5'9" and 190 to Meachem's 6'2" and 210. I think Moore muddies it, but I don't see them as direct competition. As for Henderson, he's never had more than 5 TDs in a season and the most yards he's gotten is 800, which was last year with Moore out. I think if anything Moore makes Henderson less valuable.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Henderson was the #2 guy all of last season. He did an incredible job with that role. Much fewer dropped passes than past seasons. Moore is the #4 guy this year barring injury to Henderson or Meachum.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
as long as Devery is healthy, he'll be the "starter" at #2. but Meachem will see snaps at every WR position. he's got great potential (hands, size, speed), but as of yet he hasn't fully realized it. with a crowded WR rotation and Brees who loves to spread it around, it's hard to see him ending up any better than the 25th best WR.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
The injury is lingering now. not during the season.He didnt outscore Colston it was close (at least in ppr leagues I play in)
sholditch
Footballguy
In non-ppr he was ranked 22 last season. In same system Henderson ranked 40. Plus Henderson's Moore gives them a different element, the underneath routes, sure hands, physical. He's one injury removed from a top-20 season and healthy now. My money is on:WR1: ColstonWR2: MeachemWR3: MooreWR4: Henderson
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
Moore missed 9 games last year, and is healthy...for now, which is why there might be less balls for Meachem. like I said, Devery is the "starter" at #2. doesn't mean he sees more balls.sholditch said:
az_prof
Footballguy
Assuming that they are all healthy, this is how I see it too. Meachem is really entering his third year of play and it isn't unreasonable to expect him to improve even more. Henderson is more of a one trick pony whereas last year Meachem proved he can run a variety of routes, which is why I think he wins the WR2 spot if he is healthy by training camp.sholditch said:
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
Henderson will continue to be the #2 for a couple reasons.
First, he is the fastest guy on the offense and stretches the field, and is miles ahead of Meachem when it comes to tracking deep passes in the air. Second, he is a very good blocker.
Thirdly, he is FAR from a "one trick pony" as some above poster described. On the contrary, he has become a very well-rounded player, pretty much the prototype #2. Lastly he is very consistent, something which Meachem, even at his best, has still not managed to be.
If anybody on the offense fits that "one trick pony" description it is Meachem, who seems to only have three routes in his arsenal: post, fly, screen. Henderson can run any route in the playbook and has been a very good No. 1 on occasions when Colston is out.
Having said that, the #2 and #3 receivers in the Saints offense are pretty much interchangeable and that's the way it's been for several years, so you're splitting hairs either way.
First, he is the fastest guy on the offense and stretches the field, and is miles ahead of Meachem when it comes to tracking deep passes in the air. Second, he is a very good blocker.
Thirdly, he is FAR from a "one trick pony" as some above poster described. On the contrary, he has become a very well-rounded player, pretty much the prototype #2. Lastly he is very consistent, something which Meachem, even at his best, has still not managed to be.
If anybody on the offense fits that "one trick pony" description it is Meachem, who seems to only have three routes in his arsenal: post, fly, screen. Henderson can run any route in the playbook and has been a very good No. 1 on occasions when Colston is out.
Having said that, the #2 and #3 receivers in the Saints offense are pretty much interchangeable and that's the way it's been for several years, so you're splitting hairs either way.
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az_prof
Footballguy
Couldn't disagree with you more in your assessment of both players. I don't see Henderson doing much beyond the deep fly patterns and last season Meachem was successful running many routes and looked like a complete player.
Thats what I saw as well. Not sure how you could come to a different conclusion, as a Saints fan it you watched the games.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i look at it this way... if i have a chance to grab meachem or henderson then i'm going with meachem. he's a player on rise while devery is on the decline in this offense. henderson will get time but he's not the guy to be targeting.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Three catches in two games? Okay, I know the Saints spread the ball around a lot, but three catches in two games? After the tear he went on last year, it is shocking how little he is being used all of a sudden.
heidbrink
Footballguy
I was just thinking this exact thing as I look for dead wood to trim from the roster. I'm this close '' to cutting bait for one of the handcuff type rbs out on my wire such as Kieland Williams.
grouse
Footballguy
Brutal start to be sure. But you do know as soon as you cut him, he goes off for 5-100-1.
heidbrink
Footballguy
Yes that's pretty much a given. Like washing your car to make it rain. You forgot to add that in addition to his going off, your opponent for that week grabs him off waivers and starts him vs you.
grouse
Footballguy
Perhaps, but last year especially November-December, Meachem was pretty serviceable as an upside WR3. The Saints offense just hasn't uncorked yet in 2010. With Bush going down, I would take a slightly more patient stance on Meachem-Henderson-Moore and see how the targets get dispersed. With back-to-back home games on the docket now, we may start seeing Brees go off again.Aren't all Saints receivers besides Colston really only useful in best ball kind of leagues? It seems like you never know game to game which of the others will put up useful stats. I guess if Colston went down it'd be somewhat different.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, I ran with Meacham as my WR3 the second half of last season in one league and was pretty happy with the results. You just have to accept some near zero weeks and keep plugging him in consistently if you want to get his good stats.Perhaps, but last year especially November-December, Meachem was pretty serviceable as an upside WR3. The Saints offense just hasn't uncorked yet in 2010. With Bush going down, I would take a slightly more patient stance on Meachem-Henderson-Moore and see how the targets get dispersed. With back-to-back home games on the docket now, we may start seeing Brees go off again.Aren't all Saints receivers besides Colston really only useful in best ball kind of leagues? It seems like you never know game to game which of the others will put up useful stats. I guess if Colston went down it'd be somewhat different.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Meh. The offense isn't firing on all cylinders right now. Some of it is rust, I think, but also teams have had time to prepare for the Saints. Brees knows they have to make adjustments to succeed.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Week 2, the Saints had 64 offensive snaps. Colston and Henderson were on the field for 52 of them.
Meachem? 14.
Meachem? 14.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
That's the thing that's most alarming regarding Meachem. Payton used him in a one-WR set on running plays, and made the one deep throw to him from that formation. Lance Moore will benefit most from Bush's absence, since he is pretty good on those short routes that Bush was utilized. Hold on to Meachem for now, but keep an eye on how the Saints use him going forward.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I think am about done with Meachem for this year. Fortunately I have Lance Moore. Is it time to stick a fork in Meachem or hold his spot at the end of the bench?
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
Not terribly surprising. As I said before, he is still very raw as a wide receiver and doesn't show a lot of refinement in his overall game.
az_prof
Footballguy
He shows plenty of refinement when given a chance. There are just too many mouths to feed. Hopefully this is his last year in NO and he ends somewhere that he can really get more opportunity. Not sure if he had a four year or five year rookie deal.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
No, he doesn't. He consistently runs sloppy routes and is not a good blocker compared to the Saints other WR's. He doesn't get off jams at the line, and he doesn't beat man coverage unless he gets matched up on a safety. He is also a body catcher. In short, he's still extremely raw.
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az_prof
Footballguy
I would happily take him on my Vikings. The body catcher claim was something people said about him coming out of college, but I haven't seen it, certainly not last year. I haven't seen him on the field much this year so I don't know if you know something I don't--maybe you go to a lot of practices or something. In any case, when Moore is hurt he excels; when Moore plays he will be an afterthought in that offense.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
I am not saying he is a bad player. On a lot of teams he would probably function as a #1 or #2. but he doesn't do the little things well enough to get himself on the field with this team. That's all I mean.
Judo czop!
Footballguy
Any Saints homers out there to give us more insight as to why he has been targeted so little? Is he still banged up? Is he in the doghouse for off the field-type stuff? Has he fallen out of favor with Brees because of drops, poor routes?
I'm in a distance scoring league where you need to know what you got and stick with it. If I were to cut him this week and he has a 5/100 game with a 60yarder I would be devastated. That's like a third of season production from a guy like Wes Welker who gets a lot of yds,rec but never scores long TD's. I just saw fellow owners wanna hang themselves for cutting Spiller, Washington & Bowe last week. Don't wanna make same mistake with Meachem (He was #7 WR last year in our league.) I am considering cutting him in favor of Clayton or Demaryius.
I'm in a distance scoring league where you need to know what you got and stick with it. If I were to cut him this week and he has a 5/100 game with a 60yarder I would be devastated. That's like a third of season production from a guy like Wes Welker who gets a lot of yds,rec but never scores long TD's. I just saw fellow owners wanna hang themselves for cutting Spiller, Washington & Bowe last week. Don't wanna make same mistake with Meachem (He was #7 WR last year in our league.) I am considering cutting him in favor of Clayton or Demaryius.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
I'm sure he'll surface eventually, but in the meantime his problem is A) he's not good enough at the little things (route running, blocking, etc) to beat out Devery Henderson for the #2 job, and B) Brees seems to be more comfortable throwing the ball to Lance Moore on occasions when they go to multiple receivers.If Moore hadn't been injured most of last year I wonder if Meachem would've made much more of an impact than he did in 2008. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but like another person said he's stuck in a numbers game and he's no better than the Saints fourth-best receiver at this point.
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