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Just traded out of the 5.01 to the 5.06 and 5.08. Guys will be there to take shots on. Thanks, Andy for the response.
Gross-Matos just got picked. Thanks, though. I also don't need DE help as much as LB help, and our scoring system punishes EDGEs as LBs often. So K'Lavon Chaissson is still on the board because MFL has him as LB right now.With these late picks that are close together, I really use the chart that tells you the percent of drafts that each player will be available. It helps me get 2 of my next 3 guys with picks that are 6 apart.
I'd go with Gross-Matos.
Yep.I should emphasize that I build teams not only to win but to watch on Sunday. I want to see Ruggs play, hence I passed on Swift, who fell and who I loved before he was going to Detroit, and Jeudy, whose game is aesthetically displeasing to me. Lol.
Argh. You've asked a bunch of questions I've been grappling with for months but don't have definitive answers to.I've been bouncing this around in my head as well. If we thing there will be no NFL or college season, how do we respond?
What I've done so far:
Things I probably should figure out:
- Traded away some 2021 draft picks for young players or 2020 draft picks... I was picturing some guys entering the supplemental draft (which has been cancelled), some underclassmen staying in school for another season, and the guys who go in the draft having a rough time starting their careers after a year off (Clarett/BMW). So I traded away some of those picks.
- Traded away some older players who will just be a year older. I know there's an argument that they'll get healthier and not add any mileage, but I was remembering (incorrectly now that I read it) the old Drinen article that I thought found that the production curve matched age more than touches (further reading).
- Who's on the last year of their contract and less desirable in free agency?
- What does this mean for the 2020 rookies?
- As more people start to think of this, when does the value shift and I should start buying 28-year-old WRs that people are starting to think are old?
I don't think there is college football this year. So I also traded away 21' picks for picks this year. I know the current rookies are going to have a rough time with an unknown/limited camp setup, but can't help but believe someone already in an employed structure is going to be more engaged/committed then a student with a free year away from any program. It's college, I'd party it up too! Think next year's class is going to be a mess if the college season doesn't happen.-I have no idea how to value the 2020 rookies or the 2021 guys. 2020 guys get saddled with no experience and another draft to survive positional challenges without any chance to prove what they have in the games. They'd better be ready for the challenge of both the NFL and the incoming class. 2021 guys might not get that last year of tape to overtake and/or challenge their draft peers. It's could be all over for their collegiate careers.
Yeah, as far as that goes, I probably would trade next years' picks for this years but our draft already happened back in May, so there's nothing one can really do.I don't think there is college football this year. So I also traded away 21' picks for picks this year. I know the current rookies are going to have a rough time with an unknown/limited camp setup, but can't help but believe someone already in an employed structure is going to be more engaged/committed then a student with a free year away from any program. It's college, I'd party it up too! Think next year's class is going to be a mess if the college season doesn't happen.
I hear ya, was meant to be more general to the value of 20' / 21' discussion.Yeah, as far as that goes, I probably would trade next years' picks for this years but our draft already happened back in May, so there's nothing one can really do.
Hey, it's all about me, don't you know?I hear ya, was meant to be more general to the value of 20' / 21' discussion.
Taylor, Davion
Any discussion or tangent in here is welcome as there are only benefits to be gained from picking everyone's brain. Love your idea. I had a chance with Boyd, but countered (too low for my liking in the end. Bad trade.)Since the topic has strayed a bit, and the IDP forum means less eyes see this theory of mine...
I'm thinking it could be a decent coup to target a top team's 1st round pick next year. It could be a crap shoot come draft time, but there's also a good chance a team might view their 2021 1st round pick as a late pick but ends up with a much better selection due to COVID. Especially likely if a good team has a high reliance on players from a small number of NFL teams.
His highlights looked fast. I was able to get him with 6.05, which I thought might be a boon down the road. He's certainly sticking around on the squad when I have to cut to 51.
This guy was so much fun to watch the past few years. Insane athleticism and iirc didn't even play HS football
he is fast. he was kind of swimming when Mel Tucker put him in the Money role last year, but when the d was simplified and he got to pin his ears back he was a playmaka. his best football is ahead of him imo. prototypical 4-3 willHis highlights looked fast. I was able to get him with 6.05, which I thought might be a boon down the road. He's certainly sticking around on the squad when I have to cut to 51.
Problem is (IMO) with quite probably no college season, a first is probably going to be as good as a second. Maybe some differentiate at the combine, but unless there's some footage can't help but think next draft is going to be one hell of a crap shoot.Since the topic has strayed a bit, and the IDP forum means less eyes see this theory of mine...
I'm thinking it could be a decent coup to target a top team's 1st round pick next year. It could be a crap shoot come draft time, but there's also a good chance a team might view their 2021 1st round pick as a late pick but ends up with a much better selection due to COVID. Especially likely if a good team has a high reliance on players from a small number of NFL teams.
I've been embracing some of Jordan McNamara's advice to load up on backup RBs, since they all seem to get a shot at some point and can really explode when they do. Do a price check on Murray, Pollard, Mattison, DLewis, Scott, Hyde, Coleman, Harris, Duke Johnson.And Mostert wants a trade. That stinks. He was likely my RB2 (we only start one). I'll be drafting RBs next year with two first rounders and the likely 1.01 in our draft.
I would definitely not cut Cashman. I'd rather not cut Burks.Okay, after a long break from this thread, I figured I'd update my roster for anyone passing by or who has taken a passing interest.
Regarding the roster, and in looking at it, I realize I have a lot of linebackers, but I plan on cutting six or seven as preseason ends. I've italicized the likely cuts. We only need to get to fifty-one for the year, so it shouldn't be too hard. As for the massive amounts of linebackers, it's all pennies on the dollar. I'm hoping a few hit that were late-rounders in the rookie draft or are second and third year guys coming to the fore (like Bentley, Burks, and Oluokun). Those are also guys I can cut once training camp sorts out the backers, which leads me to this...
Full disclosure: I don't think there's going to be a season. I'm actually betting a lot on that with this roster. I had acquired Conner for my second, and then traded him for a mid-second (a step down) because his contract tolls with service time at the end of this year and I don't see him getting another shot at starting for another team at twenty-six. I traded Boyd for a second plus Rashaad Evans at linebacker. I traded Drake for McLaurin, as Drake will be twenty-seven and his contract status is up in the air after next year. I tried to build by getting younger. My oldest player on offense is Mostert at twenty-eight, which is ancient for a running back, but he's not a problem workload-wise. Breida is twenty-five on simply a one-year deal. I'm considering getting what I can for them. Right now I hold two ones, two twos, a four, and a six in the upcoming draft. I traded the three in the McLaurin deal and also traded a future fifth this previous May rookie draft.
We start 1 QB 1 RB 2 WR 1 TE 4 FLEX and 3 DL 3LB and 3 DB
Current roster:
QB
Mahomes, Patrick
Lock, Drew
Newton, Cam
RB
Breida, Matt
Dillon, A.J.
Elliott, Ezekiel
Edmonds, Chase
Harris, Damien
Hasty, Jamycal
Hyde, Carlos
Mostert, Raheem
WR
Cephus, Quintez
Chark, D.J.
Davis, Corey
Edwards, Bryan
Gandy-Golden, Antonio
Godwin, Chris
Johnson, Tyler
McLaurin, Terry
Mims, Denzel
Ruggs, Henry
Smith, Tre'Quan
Williams, Preston
DL
Richardson, Sheldon
Wilkins, Christian
Brockers, Michael
Clowney, Jadeveon
Davenport, Marcus
Ford, Dee
Houston, Justin
Irvin, Bruce
Kerrigan, Ryan
Odenigbo, Ifeadi
Young, Chase
LB
Bentley, Ja'Whaun
Burgess, James
Burks, Oren
Cashman, Blake
Connelly, Ryan
Davis-Gaither, Akeem
Evans, Rashaan
Gay, Willie
Harrison, Malik
Hightower, Dont'a
Klein, A.J.
McKinney, Benardrick
Mercilus, Whitney
Oluokun, Foyesade
Strnad, Justin
Taylor, Davion
Williamson, Avery
DB
Mathieu, Tyrann
Smith, Harrison
Vaccaro, Kenny
Walker, Tracy
I'm waiting until the end of camp, if there is a camp. If no camp, who would you cut to get down to fifty-one then?I would definitely not cut Cashman. I'd rather not cut Burks.
Hightower would be my default.I'm waiting until the end of camp, if there is a camp. If no camp, who would you cut to get down to fifty-one then?
I've checked on starting lineups. The information listed above is accurate. 1-5 RBs, 2-5, WRs, 1-5 TEs is the stated option. My bad on listing TEs. Mine are a year away from glorious freedom. Seals-Jones is a definite cut candidate, though I'm intrigued by him backing up Kelce in KC at Kelce's age.I've been embracing some of Jordan McNamara's advice to load up on backup RBs, since they all seem to get a shot at some point and can really explode when they do. Do a price check on Murray, Pollard, Mattison, DLewis, Scott, Hyde, Coleman, Harris, Duke Johnson.
Also, check on starting lineups - you might need to have 3 RB/TEs starting each week, so with only 1 viable RB, you might need a second good TE (I don't see your TEs listed above).
Key word, default. Youll get information between now and then that answers the question. But if all of the answers are positive then dump the one with the least weekly upside.Really? Why is that?
Gotcha. I think Cashman is vying for a reserve role on the Jets now at ILB. They're getting Mosely back and signed another guy from Baltimore, plus they have Burgess who impressed last year, and Williamson. The word is he's a backup now. But like you said, I'm waiting until camp susses out. That's just my preliminary guess.Key word, default. Youll get information between now and then that answers the question. But if all of the answers are positive then dump the one with the least weekly upside.
Cashman got a shot before Burgess and looked good doing it. I think Baltimore guy may be Williamson's ticket out of town, but we'll see what covid has to say.Gotcha. I think Cashman is vying for a reserve role on the Jets now at ILB. They're getting Mosely back and signed another guy from Baltimore, plus they have Burgess who impressed last year, and Williamson. The word is he's a backup now. But like you said, I'm waiting until camp susses out. That's just my preliminary guess.
And my guess is that camp is at least delayed, if not foregone.
Yes to both. Williamson looks like a cap casualty. Burgess might have won the job. COVID looms over everything.Cashman got a shot before Burgess and looked good doing it. I think Baltimore guy may be Williamson's ticket out of town, but we'll see what covid has to say.
But it's 18 starters, right?I've checked on starting lineups. The information listed above is accurate. 1-5 RBs, 2-5, WRs, 1-5 TEs is the stated option. My bad on listing TEs. Mine are a year away from glorious freedom. Seals-Jones is a definite cut candidate, though I'm intrigued by him backing up Kelce in KC at Kelce's age.
TE
Brate, Cameron TAM
Everett, Gerald LAR
Howard, O.J. TAM
Seals-Jones, Ricky KC
Yes indeed. Need an RB or TE. That's what you were saying. Got it now. Yeah, I was counting on starting 2 RBs all along with a TE going in as well. I did not plan on starting six WRs, so there's no ***** in that armor or plan.But it's 18 starters, right?
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4 flex
Max of 5 WRs
Max of 1 QB
So three starters left over to split between RB and TE.
That was almost exactly my end strategy except I went DL at the beginning of the second as the team was desperate and Chase Young is a "generational" talent, according to most. The really good LBs went late second/early third.My Zealots strategy in a nutshell: I rarely can pull the trigger and draft a LB earlier than my league mates, so I draft WRs to eventually trade for LBs, and pick up a few at auction for cheap. I trade for all my DEs and churn safeties until I find a few keepers.
That's the plan. My starters last year were Cory Littleton, Blake Martinez, and Zach Cunningham. I drafted Cunningham with a 5th rounder, and got Littleton and Martinez at auction for $1 each. A couple that I spent high draft picks on are wasting away on the bench.I drafted four and claimed about seven-eight at auction.
Yes has been a great article for years. Would be nice if FBG had more IDP content like this.For those of you that subscribe to FBG (I do) John Norton's Eyes Of The Guru has been a wonderful resource against which to check guys that might be available in your league from a detailed perspective and breakdown of each team.
I'll provide links upon request, but it's on the Home Page under the Preseason Content section. Eyes Of The Guru: AFC North is the latest one.
Yeah, it would be. They've obviously got guys that have done it before. I'm piecing it together with Twitter, FBG, Dynasty League Football, and just various rankings and sites.Yes has been a great article for years. Would be nice if FBG had more IDP content like this.
I'm considering adding DLF with some discount offer they have with a DFS site. What's your opinion of it? I'm guessing that if I had both, DLF would be the offseason leader, then FBG would take over in-season.rockaction said:Yeah, it would be. They've obviously got guys that have done it before. I'm piecing it together with Twitter, FBG, Dynasty League Football, and just various rankings and sites.
My opinion about DLF is that I was subscribing monthly and let it lapse recently but am planning on re-upping very soon. It was worth it. I think you're right on about the off-season and in-season coverage. That's really interesting that they would do that in the podcast. I'll have to check it out. Sounds like exactly the idea I'd be looking for. You know who does that, but in-site? If you read PFF carefully, their different writers will have differing values or points about certain guys. Like Darius Slayton for instance. On one hand, they write a whole article about whether he'll break out in year two and things look favorable. On the other hand, they have a fantasy expert telling you to watch out and fade him because of his competition for touches. Just differing perspectives that could be confusing, but if you use them right can add up to a puzzle piece left otherwise not thought of.I'm considering adding DLF with some discount offer they have with a DFS site. What's your opinion of it? I'm guessing that if I had both, DLF would be the offseason leader, then FBG would take over in-season.
I wish every site could agree on player names... I'd like to be able to pull in rankings from different sites, compare against my rosters and free agents, and spit out some quick recommendations. I know FBG has that with their own rankings, and FantasyPros gathers some rankings, but it would be interesting to get everything pulled together in one place. That kind of comparison was basically the point of a recent article or podcast where I think Jordan McNamara from FBG compared rankings at FBG and DLF to find good discussion points about wide gaps in value and where we might be able to find some value.
Thanks. My team is thoroughly mediocre. We're seventh in points scored out of twelve. I am not catching really bad beats. To the contrary, I'm catching some wind in my sails from starting a guy like Mostert who has busted two big ones in two weeks, but is now hurt. I'll put Vaccaro on the block and see if I can't drum up some interest. The other guys, I'll wait for a game to happen where the script is in their favor. The D-Line guys you mention are going to be hard to trade. Their VBD scores are pretty fungible. I did have a sixth for Houston offer, and I suppose I can shop him again, but I'm not sure the other owner would want him at anything more than a fifth, which seems light, but isn't.Unless you have a team that is scoring well but losing to teams with bigger weeks, I'd say it's time to shop the old guys. Vaccaro just had a huge game. Any big game by Brockers, Kerrigan, Houston, Clowney should be an instant shop for any return that yields you a potential dart at a young player.
Don't trade for draft picks, trade up in it. Instead of Houston for a 5 shoot for Houston and a 5 for a 4.Thanks. My team is thoroughly mediocre. We're seventh in points scored out of twelve. I am not catching really bad beats. To the contrary, I'm catching some wind in my sails from starting a guy like Mostert who has busted two big ones in two weeks, but is now hurt. I'll put Vaccaro on the block and see if I can't drum up some interest. The other guys, I'll wait for a game to happen where the script is in their favor. The D-Line guys you mention are going to be hard to trade. Their VBD scores are pretty fungible. I did have a sixth for Houston offer, and I suppose I can shop him again, but I'm not sure the other owner would want him at anything more than a fifth, which seems light, but isn't.
Ah, yes. Thanks for the contextualizing. My thinking can get quite obtuse, as the Big Lebowski might say. I have no three or five to speak of, but I get what you're saying. I have two firsts, two seconds, a fourth, and a sixth. Might be nice to throw a fourth in there for a three, though they certainly might value their three more than not. We'll see.Don't trade for draft picks, trade up in it. Instead of Houston for a 5 shoot for Houston and a 5 for a 4.
I rarely do player for pick trades. Instead I do these types of trades as I accumulate depth then come spring I have 5-6 picks in the top 30.Ah, yes. Thanks for the contextualizing. My thinking can get quite obtuse, as the Big Lebowski might say. I have no three or five to speak of, but I get what you're saying. I have two firsts, two seconds, a fourth, and a sixth. Might be nice to throw a fourth in there for a three, though they certainly might value their three more than not. We'll see.
Do you mean Shawshank?My thinking can get quite obtuse, as the Big Lebowski might say. I have no three or five to speak of, but I get what you're saying.
I do. The Big Lebowski's thinking got uptight. Andy told the Warden he was being obtuse.Do you mean Shawshank?