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rogue manager issue (1 Viewer)

Mentos

Footballguy
Note- this is a 12-team free 5x5 head-to-head Yahoo league

Three or four weeks ago, a manager opted to punt saves. He first posted that he was looking to trade his closers (Qualls, Lidge and another mediocre-at-best closer). Two days later, after nobody made a deal with him, he simply dropped his closers. I picked up Lidge off waivers a couple days later.

The team was already below .500 so punting a category was really silly I thought.

Shockingly, last week he put Adam Wainwright, Johan Santana, and three other SPs on the trade block. He then traded Wainwright for Pablo Sandoval and Matt Kemp. The trade was vetoed by league votes. One guy explained that he vetoed the deal as a "salvation veto". He felt the saves punter was further damaging his pitching staff by parting with Wainwright.

The trade was reworked to include Austin Jackson and it went through. Austin Jackson going to the team getting Wainwright was enough the second time around.

Now two days later, July 17, the guy dropped Scott Rolen. He just picked up Aramis Ramirez and traded for Sandoval, so he felt Rolen was useless. He dropped Rolen for Brian Matusz. He proceeded to drop Matusz this afternoon.

So to sum it up, he punted saves, traded away his best starting pitcher and dropped Rolen for a crappy starting pitcher who he only used for a one-game streaming purpose. LOL that Matusz got blasted today.

There's also this comment from the guy-

If this league had more categories like "quality starts" or "innings pitched," I probably wouldn't be doing some of this stuff. If there was money involved too, I would think things over differently. But there is neither. I still want to win, but I want to see what kind of results come from this. I think it may work, but who knows.

As for the trade, I think its very fair. I'm not a Dodgers fan, I don't like Matt Kemp, but when he was offered I looked at his numbers and liked what I saw. He's gonna give me more hr's and rbi's, but he is gonna be 2nd on my team in sb as well. As for Sandoval, I had him last year. I expect a big 2nd half. It's clearly a fair trade when half the people think he is getting a better deal and half think I am. Think about it. If anyone is interested in Scott Rolen, send me an offer.

I am wondering if I should lock this guy, replace him (I can contact Yahoo and have a friend or random person babysit the team the rest of the year), or just continue onward and pray he doesn't do anything else silly that will upset the competitive balance for the rest of us.

I do know for a fact that Rolen will not clear waivers. I find it to be gross negligence for him to have dropped Rolen for a crappy pitcher streamjob.

 
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Without knowing his team or his needs, I don't think the wainwright trade is a bad one. I wold also rather aramis over rolen the rest ofthe way.

As for the trades, it sounds like your league doesn't make many, so to pull one off you have to overpay. When you're losing sometimes you need a shakeup.

Frankly it's hard for you to be sanctimonious when you took lidge on the wire.

 
Frankly it's hard for you to be sanctimonious when you took lidge on the wire.
Okay, that is true, but if I didn't grab him somebody else would have. I was 4th or 5th in the waiver order at the time, if I recall. What was I to do? Not pick up Lidge when I had the chance to or let another contender get him? It's akin to rooting for your MLB team to win and they do in large part based on a botched call (see Sunday's Mets-Giants game). Do the Mets and their fans want to give the win back? No, you take it and move on.
 
Without knowing his team or his needs, I don't think the wainwright trade is a bad one. I wold also rather aramis over rolen the rest ofthe way. As for the trades, it sounds like your league doesn't make many, so to pull one off you have to overpay. When you're losing sometimes you need a shakeup. Frankly it's hard for you to be sanctimonious when you took lidge on the wire.
You can defend the closers issue and the Wainwright trade for sure.However, how can you defend the Rolen move particularly in lieu of the comments the guy made about how he is just messing around with the league? He dropped Rolen for a Sunday streamer!
 
Without knowing his team or his needs, I don't think the wainwright trade is a bad one. I wold also rather aramis over rolen the rest ofthe way. As for the trades, it sounds like your league doesn't make many, so to pull one off you have to overpay. When you're losing sometimes you need a shakeup. Frankly it's hard for you to be sanctimonious when you took lidge on the wire.
You can defend the closers issue and the Wainwright trade for sure.However, how can you defend the Rolen move particularly in lieu of the comments the guy made about how he is just messing around with the league? He dropped Rolen for a Sunday streamer!
Well without getting on the league too much, how serious can it be with aramis on the wire for the guy to get. No one trades, rolen is clearly 3 on the depth chart, and maybe matiusz helps him win Sunday. If the guy cuts Johan, yeah that's fubar, if he's doing all this in may, ditto, but were down to the last 1/3 of the fantasy season and in my leagues, where I'm 10th out of 14 in the two I'm in, for me personally, it's all hands on deck to win every point or category I can win each week. I cut Sean rodriegez to add ohlendorff yesterday. Don't like doing it, but help on the bench wasn't gong to win me the pitchig points I need. I gather this cat is in the same boat. My overall point being, to this point that tam hasn't come close to a lockable offense.
 
Frankly it's hard for you to be sanctimonious when you took lidge on the wire.
Okay, that is true, but if I didn't grab him somebody else would have. I was 4th or 5th in the waiver order at the time, if I recall. What was I to do? Not pick up Lidge when I had the chance to or let another contender get him? It's akin to rooting for your MLB team to win and they do in large part based on a botched call (see Sunday's Mets-Giants game). Do the Mets and their fans want to give the win back? No, you take it and move on.
you are right about someone grabbing him, but again, you presumably didn't even make him an offer make an offer which you could have. I understand his frustration and frankly good managing. Because if you don't have 3-4 closers in your league, you might as well not have any. It's hard to compete with a B, a C+ and a D closer. He can lose saves without them as much as he loses with them. Lidge had been hurt and is shaky, etc. Keep an eye on him if you want but I think he's done nothing wrong. When your team stinks, standing pat is a good way to sty that way. No one will help him with a trade so let him manage his own team
 
Smack Tripper said:
Well without getting on the league too much, how serious can it be with aramis on the wire for the guy to get. No one trades, rolen is clearly 3 on the depth chart, and maybe matiusz helps him win Sunday. If the guy cuts Johan, yeah that's fubar, if he's doing all this in may, ditto, but were down to the last 1/3 of the fantasy season and in my leagues, where I'm 10th out of 14 in the two I'm in, for me personally, it's all hands on deck to win every point or category I can win each week. I cut Sean rodriegez to add ohlendorff yesterday. Don't like doing it, but help on the bench wasn't gong to win me the pitchig points I need. I gather this cat is in the same boat. My overall point being, to this point that tam hasn't come close to a lockable offense.
Matusz didn't help him win. The guy lost 7-1 and has now fallen to 62-76-12.There have been trades made in the league. The guy offered me Alfonso Soriano, Castro, and Lidge for three of my players. I thought the deal would have been in his favor so I didn't accept. I did inform him that I was close to accepting but that the package wasn't quite good enough for my liking. The next day he dropped Soriano and Castro. Another day or two later is when Lidge was dropped.
 
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Punting saves was a bad move. I'm never a fan of punting any category, but I guess I can understand someone getting frustrated and doing it. Dropping Soriano and Castro just seems like acting out. Very questionable. The Rolen drop is also questionable, but understandable in light of his 3B situation. Any three of those players seem like they could have been traded for a starting pitcher at least better than Matusz. But I'm not sure how trade-friendly the league is.

The only thing I don't have a problem with is the Wainwright trade. Kemp was a Top 10 guy in a lot of drafts and he has a solid history of production; looks like he bought low on two underperforming hitters and sold high on an overperforming Wainwright.

 
pantagrapher said:
The only thing I don't have a problem with is the Wainwright trade. Kemp was a Top 10 guy in a lot of drafts and he has a solid history of production; looks like he bought low on two underperforming hitters and sold high on an overperforming Wainwright.
In vacuo, the vetoers I don't think would have been against the Wainwright. It was just that coupled with punting saves the guy gave up his best pitcher and got back no pitching.
 
pantagrapher said:
The only thing I don't have a problem with is the Wainwright trade. Kemp was a Top 10 guy in a lot of drafts and he has a solid history of production; looks like he bought low on two underperforming hitters and sold high on an overperforming Wainwright.
In vacuo, the vetoers I don't think would have been against the Wainwright. It was just that coupled with punting saves the guy gave up his best pitcher and got back no pitching.
Yeah, it's a tough situation. Maybe he figures that his best shot is to nail down the offensive cats and live with one or two pitching cats. Sounds like he's just desperate, maybe a bit frustrated, and looking for a loophole to wins. In the meantime, it sounds like he's causing some leaguewide havoc. Hopefully this doesn't ruin it for everyone.
 
pantagrapher said:
The only thing I don't have a problem with is the Wainwright trade. Kemp was a Top 10 guy in a lot of drafts and he has a solid history of production; looks like he bought low on two underperforming hitters and sold high on an overperforming Wainwright.
In vacuo, the vetoers I don't think would have been against the Wainwright. It was just that coupled with punting saves the guy gave up his best pitcher and got back no pitching.
Yeah, it's a tough situation. Maybe he figures that his best shot is to nail down the offensive cats and live with one or two pitching cats. Sounds like he's just desperate, maybe a bit frustrated, and looking for a loophole to wins. In the meantime, it sounds like he's causing some leaguewide havoc. Hopefully this doesn't ruin it for everyone.
The funny thing is Kemp and Sandoval did not help him this past week. It was a short 4-day week, of course. But this guy got swept in the 5 batting categories.
 
I'm on the iPhone so I can't quote, but mentos, the issue isn't whether matusz helped him If we could fill our lineups out the day after instead of the day before, we'd all do better. Was he within striking on the pitching but out of arms? He offered trades, he's not an idle owner nor a malacious one from

the sounds of it. He's just a bad one.

You need to be a commish here, meaning keep the best interests of the league and the integrity at heart but let people play. If anything, circulate a contingency to the other owners if he runs scorched earth and cut Johan et al. Otherwise hands off. His rolen move doesn't look so bad even today with the injury news

 
7 trades have been completed.

3 trades were vetoed.

So 10 times people agreed to deals and 7 times they passed the veto process.

One of the vetoed deals was reworked and went through. So, instead of 7 out of 10, it's more like 7 out of 9.

7 trades in a Yahoo league is a lot. I've been playing since '00. I don't think I've ever seen 7 trades in a league.

Now tonight we have one more pending.

Hanley Ramirez and Migeul Montero

for

Mike Napoli and Jered Weaver

team getting Ramirez has excess quality starting pitchers

team getting Weaver has pitching problems and an excess of shortstops

Well, somebody has voiced a complaint and said he vetoed the deal. We are now 1/4 of the way to having that deal get squashed.

 
I don't think Wainwright for Pablo and Kemp is a bad trade. Vetoable? Hell no.
In a vacuum nobody thought the trade was unfair. People had a problem with how the one guy's roster was going to look like after the deal. Should people be concerned about such a thing? Probably not.
 

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