Romeo and Juliet Laws, The Decline of Childbirth in The West, and Your Personal Thoughts. Anonymous and Free Space Here. (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

I'd like this to be free range. I was thinking of this because of the recent Apple commercial. 

How young is too young and what do you guys think are the appropriate age ranges for teenage dating?

How does this jibe with your state's stat law? 

Are you even willing to look it up?

What does that say about our downward pressures on our birth replacement rates, our cultural standards, progressivism's influence, and immigration patterns? 

Free form. Go. 

 

[rockaction]

According to this article, Australia offers a $5000 baby bonus in the form of a stipend. 

Whoa.  

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10557525

Thoughts from a medal winner for promoting religious understanding in Britain:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/falling-birth-rates-could-spell-end-of-the-west---lord-sacks/

 

[sublimeone]

Asians

 

[BigSteelThrill]

There are entirely too many humans on this planet as it is.

 

[Gold Dragon]

According to this article, Australia offers a $5000 baby bonus in the form of a stipend.

The baby bonus in Australia is no longer since 2014.   We still have the family tax benefit which is means tested, prorated to your income and paid out in fortnightly payments.   Before 2014 you used to be able to get both the baby bonus and the family tax benefit.  Basically if your family earns less than $51K per year you get the full payment but between $51K and a maximum income based on the number and ages of your children, you get a pro-rated amount.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/family-tax-benefit

 

[Leroy Hoard]

There are entirely too many humans on this planet as it is.

They should be paying people not to have kids.

 

[rockaction]

I'm surprised that everybody didn't jump at the chance to talk about our sub-fertility, its causes, and what we can do about it. 

I'm also surprised that people think there are too many people on the planet, especially in the West. 

According to most demographers and institutes we're going to need more people and soon, otherwise we'll have to rely on mass immigration or cutting social programs.  

 

[Sweet J]

I'm surprised that everybody didn't jump at the chance to talk about our sub-fertility, its causes, and what we can do about it. 

I'm also surprised that people think there are too many people on the planet, especially in the West. 

According to most demographers and institutes we're going to need more people and soon, otherwise we'll have to rely on mass immigration or cutting social programs.  

He said too many people on the planet.  Not too many people in America.  Two different statements.  Two different pieces of analysis. 

 

[rockaction]

He said too many people on the planet.  Not too many people in America.  Two different statements.  Two different pieces of analysis. 

True, that's why I clarified and said the West. His statement implied that we shouldn't be worried about sub-fertility because we had too many people on the planet already, and much like carbon emissions, it wouldn't be bad if we bore the brunt of it for the world. 

That's how I took it, anyway.  

 

[mr roboto]

There are entirely too many humans on this planet as it is.

Too many humans in the wrong countries more accurately. The democratic socialist states with low childbirth rates are in trouble long-term. 

 

[The Ref]

Too many humans in the wrong countries more accurately. The democratic socialist states with low childbirth rates are in trouble long-term. 

Yeah this.  Japan and the USA could use more kids.  Africa and South America not so much.

250 years ago Brazil would take a good look at us doughy white folks kicking around America with our unlimited food and water and would war with us and take us out and steal our resources.  Only technology is preventing that sort of war from happening.  

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

Anybody interested in this should read the fascinating book "Overpopulation in Asia" by the Chinese author We Fookem Yung.

 

[rockaction]

Anybody interested in this should read the fascinating book "Overpopulation in Asia" by the Chinese author We Fookem Yung.

I was sort of trying to avoid intergenerational dating discussions and more focusing on both male/female delays from traditional marriage pairing and childbirth, which is why I went with Romeo and Juliet laws, but that sort of thing is inevitable to discussion, too. 

 

[rockaction]

I wonder if older models of marriage in more patriarchal times ensured childbirth and childbearing and that the birth rate decline we see in the West is possibly an overcorrection by both custom and statute and industry. Anecdotally, none of the women I knew well that went to college had a baby before thirty. None. Nada. Not one. Many chose to remain childless and unmarried well into their thirties. 

That's not good, IMO.   

 

[Sweet J]

I was sort of trying to avoid intergenerational dating discussions and more focusing on both male/female delays from traditional marriage pairing and childbirth, which is why I went with Romeo and Juliet laws, but that sort of thing is inevitable to discussion, too. 

you might want to take another look at his post

 

[Da Guru]

There are entirely too many humans on this planet as it is.

Agree..they should be giving stipends for having no babies.

 

[rockaction]

you might want to take another look at his post

Oh, it's a joke, I know. But "We Fookum Yung" implies a generational aspect to it, IMO. 

You usually don't tell a seventeen year-old sleeping with a sixteen year-old that they're "blanking" young people. You tell them they're both too young, maybe, but his joke implied a patriarchal aspect in Asia of older men and younger women. 

Believe me, I'm not missing the joke nor (I think, and I could be wrong) its implication.  

eta* And stuff like this is why I dryly stated I was surprised people didn't want to talk about fertility and sub-fertility replacement.  

 

[rockaction]

Elon Musk worries about replacement rates of Western and industrialized countries.  

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/06/elon-musk-the-worlds-population-is-accelerating-toward-collapse-and-nobody-cares.html

 

[Protocols of Stringer Bell]

There's a very good argument that society would function far better if we had like 2 billion people total.  Most of the fundamental tenets of religions (be fruitful and multiply, no birth control) date from a time when infant mortality rates made it so maybe 1/2 your kids made it to adulthood and even then adulthood was a life expectancy of 40.  

Demographics are very different as our demands on work force change.  is it good to have a country with 500 million people that has more and more jobs being replaced by automation, ignoring resource distribution?  

I used to think the China one child policy was insane and evil but I sort of understand the merits to it.  I would be in favor of the American system not allowing additional tax benefits after your second kid.  Not saying we should punish for additional kids but we don't need to incentivize either.