Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[nygiants56]

I just gave up Parker for him, FWIW. Flame away w/ your "good info here"s.The fact that he's pushing top 10 in a situation that looks terrible so far is encouraging. You've gotta think he's sitting at his floor right now.Also, bad o-lines will be bad all year but they'll typically be better each week than the one before.

good post..Mularkey is definitely the one to blame, he's trying to be too cute with his play calling, and Cpepp has looked terrible so far..I think eventually Saban takes control and pounds Ronnie Brown at opposing defense some 25-30 times/game..you almost get the feeling that Saban is saving Brown for the second half of the season..remember, last year Brown ran out of gas by week 10, and was worn out for the remaining 6 games..perhaps Saban wants to go easy on him in the early part of the season, and when the weather gets colder ( road games for Maimi in Nov-Dec), let Ronnie Brown run over people..I've got an interesting offer I have to consider, TJ for Ron Brown..it's only interesting since I already have Benson on my roster. ( keeper league)..

 

[sirfumblesalot]

It all comes down to the OL. When you get hit 2 yards in the backfield you can't get very far. That also affects Culpepper's ability to throw so teams just crowd the line and force Daunte to beat them and he hasn't yet.

As far as ability I think he's a top talent. Catches the ball well, runs with power. From a fantasy perspective he's a stud because he gets a very large majority and the carries plus all goaline carries. While he's not putting up 20 ppg, he has scored in double digits in most leagues since the get go. Think of what he's doing now as a floor; he can only go up.

 

[tick dog]

he's ranked 6th in my one league and 8th in my other, yeah, he's just awfulI'd cut him and pick up Wali Lundy

settle down, you hyenas....face it, brown, based on how highly he was drafted in most leagues (5-ish in most cases after the big three and tiki) has been a b-u-s-t, period. he's the 6th or whatever-ranked rb in your league -- does your league give points for 1.5 yard rushes followed by a gang tackle? -- due to his only productive game, week 1 against pittsburgh. and even that game was pathetic yardage-wise, the two TDs saved him. the miami OL is brutal and culpepper can't hit the broad side of a barn. this spells a rough year for ronnie, and no matter how many snarky replies you want to post on a message board or how you want to justify it, it already has been a rough year for your bust rb.and p.s. -- agree 100%, mularkey is a disaster. he killed mcgahee last year and now he's working his reverse mojo on brown. how this dope has a job is mystifying.

 

[H.K.]

Ronnie Brown is an absolute animal! This week he is a stone cold lock for 150 all purpose yards and 2 scores. Book it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Why was there no talk about his O-line in the off-season? People are quick to talk about Arizona's bad line, Oakland's bad line...but I didn't hear anythinig about Miami's line until Ronnie Brown failed to live up to all of his hype.

What downgrades occurred from last season to this season? (Other than at quarterback....just kidding)

 

[H.K.]

JEEBUS PEOPLE! HE'S THE NUMBER SEVEN RB IN PPR FORMATS AND HE HAS LOSERS LIKE KJONES AND FGORE AHEAD OF HIM< HE'LL BE TOP FIVE AFTER THIS WEEK>>>>THIS GUY IS AN EFFIN' MONSTER!!!!

 

[Gopher State]

I think Brown stays in the top 15 this year, but I think lower drafted RB's like Gore, Maroney, and Kevin Jones will out perform him. I would start him every week, as he should put up good numbers at least 50 percent of the time.

 

[coolnerd]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.

Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.

If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

 

[moleculo]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

I don't understand the RB hate going on lately. Seriously - all I want from my #1 pick is a RB who will finish in the top 10. if you expect anything more than that, you are seriously overestimating pre-season projections and rankings.

 

[ALF]

I got RB at the 1.08 spot in a 12 man league and I am quite satisfied with his current performance. One of the questions in regards to Ronnie before the season was the effectiveness of the offensive line but that was supposedly tempered by the quality of the o-line coach. So if the coach is as good as advertised the Miami, he writes with fingers cross, offensive line should improve in the course of the season. So to use the current parlance of this board I rate RB a hold and possibly a buy depending of what's ask in return.

 

[Todem]

In Ant's HP scoring he is a top 8 back. In HP he is golden even when he is medicore. Great pass catcher and he will finsih a top 10 back this year. What bust?

Also remember the Dolphins started very slow last season only to turn it on big time over the final 6 weeks. Hopefully you built a solid squad around guy's like Brown and Chambers and to a lesser extent Culpepper who btw will be a lot more comfortable later this year and look out next season when he is 2 years removed from his horrendous knee injury and get's his mobility back.

I will be the first to say the Fins have been a joke, but this is the bottom and they will improve. They have too much talent not to. Top that off with a hard as nails coach (who is a total arrogent jack ###) who will demand the best out of them or he will start purging the lineup even more next season. Everyone on this team is on notice.

And for the record Culpepper is in no danger of being benched for Joey Harrington. Will not happen.

 

[Horses Mouth]

:HONDA: do a search. there are various length threads discussing how R. Brown is running hard and looking great, but the O-Line is negatively impacting him and Culpepper to some degree.

 

[Todem]

:HONDA: do a search. there are various length threads discussing how R. Brown is running hard and looking great, but the O-Line is negatively impacting him and Culpepper to some degree.

Yep.The O-line is killing Culpepper and his injury is also a factor. He is not all the way back. I will say he has shown flashes of the old Daunte and the great escapability, but he is not near the imposing physical freak he was. He will get more comfortable and start taking off as the year progresses and he will buy more time as well. But the OL has been a total bust and it shows in the stat line.Interesting fact. Tom Brady has been as equally dissapointing as Culpepper yet you hear nothing about that. And C.Pep is coming off a bad injury. I think something is not right with Brady as well. Can't put my finger on it but I am not laying it all on losing Branch and Givens. Gabriel is looking like a good option now. And Chad Jackson needs to get into the lineup. he is a special talent and he wil show it later this season.

 

[Ham Wallet]

Ronnie Brown is an absolute animal! This week he is a stone cold lock for 150 all purpose yards and 2 scores. Book it.

I think he will be able to run on the Pats, most RB's have had decent #'s against themI'm hoping for at least 100 combined and a TD

 

[Todem]

Ronnie Brown is an absolute animal! This week he is a stone cold lock for 150 all purpose yards and 2 scores. Book it.

I think he will be able to run on the Pats, most RB's have had decent #'s against themI'm hoping for at least 100 combined and a TD

You must not be watching my Dolphins enough. Everyone has run on Houston and Tenn and Miami struggled against both of them as well. Now Ronnie had a decent game against Tenn but New England is much better than Tenn against the run. Expect another good all purpose performance against the Pats. Brown is the teams best offensive player hands down and will get plenty of touches and should have another score this weekend.Brown is an HP stud and he has not even gotten going full steam yet. You drafted him because he can do it all not just rush the ball. His pass catching is what makes him so valuable.

 

[Groundpounder]

Why was there no talk about his O-line in the off-season? People are quick to talk about Arizona's bad line, Oakland's bad line...but I didn't hear anythinig about Miami's line until Ronnie Brown failed to live up to all of his hype. What downgrades occurred from last season to this season? (Other than at quarterback....just kidding)

Anyone who is saying that ronnie brown is not one of the most talented backs in the league (which is what you are implying above), simply must not have seen him play this year. That 30yds he rushed for against Pittsburgh was about the best looking 30yds i've ever seen a runningback get. He made 2-3 steelers miss on every single run. His line is terrible. Noone talked about it because noone saw it coming, but it is obvious by watching the games. Also, cpepp is definately coming back to early. He does not look comfortable in the pocket and is incredibly inaccurate this year. I would think that has something to do with his knee not being 100% because he is normally very accurate. That is not helping ronnie at all. Yet, with all this said, he is still the 8th best fantasy back in my league. How is someone who's ADP is 6 considered a bust when he is getting the 8th best numbers in the league?

 

[The Moz]

When a guy gets only 14 carries what do you expect ? RB is still a great back just being used badly !

 

[AnonymousBob]

They play the Patriots, the Bills and the Jets in weeks 14-16. If he can't erupt against Houston what makes people think he'll do well in fantasy playoffs?

 

[SigEp316]

I'm trading damaged goods for him...it looks like it's going to go through.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favor of Brown. Yes, he's averaging 10+ points a week but let's not forget who he's played. The Texans and Titans? Yuck. If that's the best he can do against pathetic defenses why in the world do people not think he's a sell high? His schedule doesn't stay that easy.

I HATE the argument he has nowhere to go but up. One, that's not true. He could get worse. Much worse.

Two, you can't simply say he'll get better just because you have some vague gut feeling which is likely nothing more than gas. Will Culpepper play better? If so, why? Will the offensive line stop sucking?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favor of Brown. Yes, he's averaging 10+ points a week but let's not forget who he's played. The Texans and Titans? Yuck. If that's the best he can do against pathetic defenses why in the world do people not think he's a sell high? His schedule doesn't stay that easy.I HATE the argument he has nowhere to go but up. One, that's not true. He could get worse. Much worse.Two, you can't simply say he'll get better just because you have some vague gut feeling which is likely nothing more than gas. Will Culpepper play better? If so, why? Will the offensive line stop sucking?

He played Pittsburgh on opening nite - funny how you mention Tenn and Houston and not the Steelers.He's also dealing with a QB who is new to the system and learning on the job. The fact that Brown is still a top 10 back with the Miami offense playing as poorly as they have should tell you that when they begin clicking RBrown will be putting up huge numbers.Just a matter of time.

 

[tick dog]

When a guy gets only 14 carries what do you expect ? RB is still a great back just being used badly !

Two words: Mularkey, Mike. The guy's a disaster.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I've yet to hear a compelling argument in favor of Brown. Yes, he's averaging 10+ points a week but let's not forget who he's played. The Texans and Titans? Yuck. If that's the best he can do against pathetic defenses why in the world do people not think he's a sell high? His schedule doesn't stay that easy.I HATE the argument he has nowhere to go but up. One, that's not true. He could get worse. Much worse.Two, you can't simply say he'll get better just because you have some vague gut feeling which is likely nothing more than gas. Will Culpepper play better? If so, why? Will the offensive line stop sucking?

He played Pittsburgh on opening nite - funny how you mention Tenn and Houston and not the Steelers.He's also dealing with a QB who is new to the system and learning on the job. The fact that Brown is still a top 10 back with the Miami offense playing as poorly as they have should tell you that when they begin clicking RBrown will be putting up huge numbers.Just a matter of time.

What have you seen that would make you say "when" instead of "if" in regards to the team "clicking"? Hey, when the Raiders start clicking they'll be dynamite! They haven't shown anything that would make me think a clicking is imminent. I've seen NOTHING from the Phins that leads me to believe their woes are temporary.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I'm trading damaged goods for him...it looks like it's going to go through.

Westbrook?

 

[j3r3m3y]

I am

everytime I see the word "bust" applied to a top 10 RB.

 

[kncks12]

Ronnie Brown, as you all know, has yet to really show that he is one of the top fantasy RB's that he was predicted to be during this 2006 season. I told myself that I would give him one more chance, but against the Texans, he didnt do too stellar. No RB who is under the elite section doesnt rush all over the Texans. Has Ronnie fell off? Has Fred Taylor or Kevin Jones surpassed Ronnie?

As a KJ owner I would have never thought that question would ever come up. I would have traded him and something for Ronnie Brown in a heartbeat before the Texans game, but now, I don't know. I still think Ronnie is good, but KJ is doing so much more.

 

[kncks12]

When a guy gets only 14 carries what do you expect ? RB is still a great back just being used badly !

Two words: Mularkey, Mike. The guy's a disaster.

He is a disaster. McGahee was terrible with him, I really hated him and Mooch last year as a KJ and Willis owner, right now I am happy!

 

[j3r3m3y]

Ronnie Brown, as you all know, has yet to really show that he is one of the top fantasy RB's that he was predicted to be during this 2006 season. I told myself that I would give him one more chance, but against the Texans, he didnt do too stellar. No RB who is under the elite section doesnt rush all over the Texans. Has Ronnie fell off? Has Fred Taylor or Kevin Jones surpassed Ronnie?

As a KJ owner I would have never thought that question would ever come up. I would have traded him and something for Ronnie Brown in a heartbeat before the Texans game, but now, I don't know. I still think Ronnie is good, but KJ is doing so much more.

In my leagues combined scoring format:Brown: 18, 12, 10, 11Jones: 7, 6, 18, 21.Jones "got it done" last two weeks, do you think it is a trend? If I had Jones I would trade for Brown in a heartbeat. But that could be partially due to the fact that Jones burned me last year. Good game often enough that I couldn't sit him but more often than not 6 or 7 was the score he got me.

 

[Brewzers]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

I don't understand the RB hate going on lately. Seriously - all I want from my #1 pick is a RB who will finish in the top 10. if you expect anything more than that, you are seriously overestimating pre-season projections and rankings.

I agree, however, I would like consistent top 10 performances. There is a lot of famine when your #1 RB has a 2TD game and then none the next three weeks. Lack of consistency from Ronnie/MIA is the real disappointment.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Ronnie Brown isn't a bust. At least not yet. He's sure looking like a guy who's a sell high.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Ronnie Brown isn't a bust. At least not yet. He's sure looking like a guy who's a sell high.

I strongly disagree. Seeing as how there's a rack of uneducated fantasy football fans out there under the impression that Brown has been a bust thus far, he's a buy low candidate IMO.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Ronnie Brown isn't a bust. At least not yet. He's sure looking like a guy who's a sell high.

I strongly disagree. Seeing as how there's a rack of uneducated fantasy football fans out there under the impression that Brown has been a bust thus far, he's a buy low candidate IMO.

I suppose it depends on your league (of course that's the case with anything). If they can be had cheaply enough, ANYBODY is a buy low.While some see 10+ a week, I see those point totals and think that's the best he can do with an easy schedule? It's going to get pretty ugly.I was a Brown lover in the preseason. After watching the Phins season thus far I've wised up a bit. By no means do I think he will be a "bust". Those who are claiming such need to change their wording. Those who leap on that one word and ignore any other points need to stop having such a narrow focus.From what I've seen thus far, he's highly overrated. Actual talent? The dude is awesome. However, the offensive line is downright putrid. Until that improves I am staying away from Ronnie. IF you believe the line will improve then by all means, buy him now. I'm quite open to someone convincing me their line will improve (I'm being offered Brown). Are one of the starting guards hurting right now? Tackle? If they've been playing with their starters then yuck.

 

[coolnerd]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

I don't understand the RB hate going on lately. Seriously - all I want from my #1 pick is a RB who will finish in the top 10. if you expect anything more than that, you are seriously overestimating pre-season projections and rankings.

I agree, however, I would like consistent top 10 performances. There is a lot of famine when your #1 RB has a 2TD game and then none the next three weeks. Lack of consistency from Ronnie/MIA is the real disappointment.

I don't know your specific scoring system but in most he has had at least 10 points per week. Brown has been very consistent, not dynamic. Seems like what many people want is one the 3/4 guys every year who carry thier average at best WRs, TEs, etc by themselves. If you have a RB who stays healthy and is somewhere in double digit fantasy points most weeks he will finish as a top 10 guy. he won't carry you to a championship, but as of this moment Ronnie Brown is not preventing anyone from getting there either.

 

[tommyGunZ]

From what I've seen thus far, he's highly overrated. Actual talent? The dude is awesome. However, the offensive line is downright putrid. Until that improves I am staying away from Ronnie. IF you believe the line will improve then by all means, buy him now.

Exactly. You either have to bet on the OL improving or not. If you wait for the OL to improve, you're not going to get Ronnie, because he'll be putting up 100/2TD games on the reg and he'll be fronting the tier right behind LJ and LT.

 

[Brewzers]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

I don't understand the RB hate going on lately. Seriously - all I want from my #1 pick is a RB who will finish in the top 10. if you expect anything more than that, you are seriously overestimating pre-season projections and rankings.

I agree, however, I would like consistent top 10 performances. There is a lot of famine when your #1 RB has a 2TD game and then none the next three weeks. Lack of consistency from Ronnie/MIA is the real disappointment.

I don't know your specific scoring system but in most he has had at least 10 points per week. Brown has been very consistent, not dynamic. Seems like what many people want is one the 3/4 guys every year who carry thier average at best WRs, TEs, etc by themselves. If you have a RB who stays healthy and is somewhere in double digit fantasy points most weeks he will finish as a top 10 guy. he won't carry you to a championship, but as of this moment Ronnie Brown is not preventing anyone from getting there either.

You're absolutely correct, perspective is skewed by the scoring system, my league is a combo league with a slightly lower reward for yards (20 yds =1 pt and TD =6pts) than most. In our league, Ronnie scored nearly 50% of his YTD points in the first game. His YTD numbers are fine, however, he was only a positive factor in 1 out of 4 games for me this year.

 

[AnonymousBob]

From what I've seen thus far, he's highly overrated. Actual talent? The dude is awesome. However, the offensive line is downright putrid. Until that improves I am staying away from Ronnie. IF you believe the line will improve then by all means, buy him now.

Exactly. You either have to bet on the OL improving or not. If you wait for the OL to improve, you're not going to get Ronnie, because he'll be putting up 100/2TD games on the reg and he'll be fronting the tier right behind LJ and LT.

It seems you believe the o-line will improve. Why is that?

 

[coolnerd]

According FGBs, ronnie Brown'a average draft position was 1.07.Unless, I am reading this thread incorrectly under a variety of scoring systems he ranks anywhere from 1.06-1.12. Looks like you drafted a fantasy 1 and have gotten fantasy 1 performance over the course of 4 games.If you are looking at your team and disappointed over its overall perfromance, Ronnie Brown's four game production is not your issue.

I don't understand the RB hate going on lately. Seriously - all I want from my #1 pick is a RB who will finish in the top 10. if you expect anything more than that, you are seriously overestimating pre-season projections and rankings.

I agree, however, I would like consistent top 10 performances. There is a lot of famine when your #1 RB has a 2TD game and then none the next three weeks. Lack of consistency from Ronnie/MIA is the real disappointment.

I don't know your specific scoring system but in most he has had at least 10 points per week. Brown has been very consistent, not dynamic. Seems like what many people want is one the 3/4 guys every year who carry thier average at best WRs, TEs, etc by themselves. If you have a RB who stays healthy and is somewhere in double digit fantasy points most weeks he will finish as a top 10 guy. he won't carry you to a championship, but as of this moment Ronnie Brown is not preventing anyone from getting there either.

You're absolutely correct, perspective is skewed by the scoring system, my league is a combo league with a slightly lower reward for yards (20 yds =1 pt and TD =6pts) than most. In our league, Ronnie scored nearly 50% of his YTD points in the first game. His YTD numbers are fine, however, he was only a positive factor in 1 out of 4 games for me this year.

Agreed. In your case where really you need touchdown scorers, I understand why you have disappointment in him. I am guessing with that format the LJ owner is not that happy of a camper either.

 

[Liquid Tension]

You have obviously not watched the Dolphins play this year. If you have you are letting your bias taint what you see. Most times Saban has him trying to bang between the tackles, where no hole exists. This results in a zero or one yard gain. But every time I have seen him run and there was opportunity he has not come down at first contact. It takes at least two to bring him down and he always falls forward.

More likely we are choosing different plays to remember. I have watched the better part of 3 of the Dolphins games this season, and most of their preseason, and I see the same problems that were ailing him last year. Yes, ramming him up the middle where there are no holes would account for bad rushing totals, but being that his only admirable ypc are straight up the gut (4.4), I'd have to be inclined to believe that you're choosing to remember plays not as they happened.It's not just that he goes down on first contact on a regular basis, but that he turns around and puts the back of his lead shoulder into defenders to brace for impact. This is coachable, but I've yet to see any difference in his game. What I am noticing is that he's not getting tired like he was last year. Whether that's just because this is only the start of the season or because of the proverbial "rookie wall" from last year, but time will be the determining factor there.

Like I said though, it matters not that he's looking like a below average rusher since his receiving skills are among tops in the league, and this Dolphin team which has only led for a few minutes across four games will continue to play from behind all season, and it appears as if his receiving totals are all but mitigating the poor rushing totals. Not what most people expected when they drafted him (not to that extent), but I doubt you'll find too many fantasy owners that are unhappy with his ppg so far.

Most of the dismay seems to be a result of "we don't think these gaudy receiving totals will continue, and then he'll be worthless," which I think is a valid point, but I don't really see a reason to believe that the receiving numbers won't, especially given his trouble running.

MLB, you are so wrong it is not even worth discussing anymore. The one comment from Jet fans who watch him is "he never goes down on the first tackle he always moves forward." Look you were the same person pimping Caddy at how much better he is than Ronnie. caddy has a 2.5 YPC for crying out loud. It is OK to be wrong, we are all wrong sometimes, just admit it instead of defending the undefendable.

 

[Routilla]

People had him way overvalued. I don't think anyone realized how bad this Dolphins team (Culpepper) is.

No doubt. Peppa cannot or will not go down the field with any success. Short passes, avoiding the INT seems to be his game. He can't escape as his sack numbers reveal. I really think Joey Harrington would be an upgrade at this point. Did I just say start Joey?

 

[gbev1]

Don't say anything negative about R.Brown on these message boards. People will jump all over you. He is the perfect running back.

On these message boards, you need to back up your assertions with facts that are true.

Unfortunately, you can't do that, so you are a frustrated Brown owner looking for somewhere to vent. We have a venting thread for that.

Really? I can't just watch a guy and decide that I don't think he has very good vision or the quickness to turn a run outside? I guess I'll just have to stick to the fact that he's on pace to play all 16 games and finish with 950 yards rushing.

again He may be on pace for 950 rushing, but he's had 15, 15, and 12 carries in three of the four games. If he's not getting carries, what's he supposed to do?

Incidentally, if y'all are so willing to discount the 2 TDs from game one, then let's throw the entire game out - since then, with an offense that has REGRESSED every game rather than progressed as expected, Brown has averaged nearly 4 YPC, and has 111 total yards per game. He needs to find the end zone - if he goes another two games without finding the endzone, then worry.

For now, you all are prematurely ejaculating Brown hate.

(you can take that in the spirit in which it is written)

I agree - most of us frustrated Brown owners (and I am a big-time card carrying member of the club) fell victim to fuzzy math. We believed in the following equation:Ronnie Brown '06 = Ronnie Brown '05 + Ricky Williams '05

...and it's just not happening for a lot of the reasons that people have mentioned above. Frankly after watching their games, I continue to be surprised at the amount of production we actually are getting from Brown. The dolphins have looked so overmatched that I feel lucky to be getting the numbers I have from Brown (thanks largely to the receiving yards).

 

[Marc Levin]

Frankly after watching their games, I continue to be surprised at the amount of production we actually are getting from Brown. The dolphins have looked so overmatched that I feel lucky to be getting the numbers I have from Brown (thanks largely to the receiving yards).

As card-carrying Dolphin homer since I was four years old - before their first Super Bowl even - I can say that this is the worst looking Dolphins offense since before Marino - and that includes the infamous 8-8 year under JJohnson.Last year's offense with Gus Frerrorrorororor was a more cohesive unit. Back when Marino suffered his achilles injury and they were trotting out the likes of Steve DeBerg and Damon Hoo-hah was a better run offense than what C-Pepp is doing back there. He is not stretching out plays and he is not LEADING the team.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

I agree - most of us frustrated Brown owners (and I am a big-time card carrying member of the club) fell victim to fuzzy math. We believed in the following equation:Ronnie Brown '06 = Ronnie Brown '05 + Ricky Williams '05...and it's just not happening for a lot of the reasons that people have mentioned above. Frankly after watching their games, I continue to be surprised at the amount of production we actually are getting from Brown. The dolphins have looked so overmatched that I feel lucky to be getting the numbers I have from Brown (thanks largely to the receiving yards).

Actually, I was just hoping that Ronnie '06 = Ronnie '05 + 1/2 (Ricky '05)I guess I underestimated a few things:1. How shaky Culpepper is. Whether it's a health, adjusting to a different team and personnel, or just plain regression, he has looked bad and has contributed to this sputtering offense. Who knows what Brown's stats might be had Culpepper connected on a few more third down throws or taken one sack less in a game?2. How poor the offensive line is. After having seen the good job Hudson Hauck did in San Diego with a collection of no-namers, and also seeing the production the Dolphins had at RB last season, I figured the o-line, while not great, wouldn't be as significant a problem as it has been to this point, especially since they returned most of the line from last year.3. How poor an offensive coordinator Mularkey is. I have a very difficult time understanding how Brown gets 9 carries while the game was still a one possession game for either team (he got 3 more carries after Houston went ahead 17-6). This was Houston, the worst D in the league, and the OC doesn't even try to pound the ball on them? Perhaps it wouldn't have mattered, given the first two problems listed. But I think it is probably easier for an inferior o-lineman to fire off the line of scrimmage and smack the guy in front of him instead of pass block. Last season the Dolphins ran the ball an average of 28 times a game, this year they're averaging 22 rushes per game. It doesn't seem to make much sense to give the ball to your best offensive weapon less (unless Mularkey thinks Chambers is his best weapon). What I've seen from Ronnie this season makes me think he is a talented back. He does appear indecisive at times, but I've seen him run with power and finish off his runs consistently (unfortunately they are usually too close to the original line of scrimmage). But, as with so many other running backs, the other pieces he needs to be successful are not in place. As a Brown owner, this sucks, but it is what it is. Hopefully he finds the end zone this week and I can find an interested buyer (of course, I was saying that with more hope/expectations before the Tennessee and Houston games). Or we could all blame ESPN for touting the Fish as a Super Bowl contender - yeah, that's it.

 

[gump]

Where do you guys see his value right now?

It seems to be all over the board. Dodds has him at RB#6 in his 250 forward, yet I am getting ridiculed in the Asst Coach forum for trying to move FWP for him.

Considering his schedule, is he still a top 12 back going forward?

 

[wannabee]

Where do you guys see his value right now?It seems to be all over the board. Dodds has him at RB#6 in his 250 forward, yet I am getting ridiculed in the Asst Coach forum for trying to move FWP for him.Considering his schedule, is he still a top 12 back going forward?

I prefer Brown to Parker and think he has more value than FWP. I do not have him as RB6, but still worth more than Parker.

 

[Marc Levin]

In case you were wondering - - yes, I merged the other Ronnie Brown fantasy disappointment thread with this one.

 

[Marc Levin]

In case you were wondering - - yes, I merged the other Ronnie Brown fantasy disappointment thread with this one.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I just dealt Ronnie Brown.

I gave up Brown and Grossman for Rudi and Rivers.

I already have Hasselbeck, Leftwich and Brees at QB (start 2 QB league), so l'm not really losing anything because I don't think Grossman is that much better than the other three I have.

Bottom line, while I really like Brown's talent, he is not in a position to score a lot of points (especially TD's) right now. I didn't think anyone would want him after his underwhelming performances against the lowly titans and texans. Never hurts to offer a trade, I guess.

 

[gregjcross]

saying brown is a BUST, thats funny I looked in my league, and if he had one TD run (of 60 yards) he would be tied with S. Jackson for RB leader in points scored. The FINS, have no doubt been horrible because CPEPP gets sacked every third play, therefore, with less chances, Brown has suffered. But unless Brown was getting hurt , dogging it, or not on the field getting something, he is FAR FROM a bust. edited to say, if you expected him to be #1 overall, he is a bust.

he's ranked 6th in my one league and 8th in my other, yeah, he's just awfulI'd cut him and pick up Wali Lundy

settle down, you hyenas....face it, brown, based on how highly he was drafted in most leagues (5-ish in most cases after the big three and tiki) has been a b-u-s-t, period. he's the 6th or whatever-ranked rb in your league -- does your league give points for 1.5 yard rushes followed by a gang tackle? -- due to his only productive game, week 1 against pittsburgh. and even that game was pathetic yardage-wise, the two TDs saved him. the miami OL is brutal and culpepper can't hit the broad side of a barn. this spells a rough year for ronnie, and no matter how many snarky replies you want to post on a message board or how you want to justify it, it already has been a rough year for your bust rb.and p.s. -- agree 100%, mularkey is a disaster. he killed mcgahee last year and now he's working his reverse mojo on brown. how this dope has a job is mystifying.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I agree - most of us frustrated Brown owners (and I am a big-time card carrying member of the club) fell victim to fuzzy math. We believed in the following equation:Ronnie Brown '06 = Ronnie Brown '05 + Ricky Williams '05...and it's just not happening for a lot of the reasons that people have mentioned above. Frankly after watching their games, I continue to be surprised at the amount of production we actually are getting from Brown. The dolphins have looked so overmatched that I feel lucky to be getting the numbers I have from Brown (thanks largely to the receiving yards).

Actually, I was just hoping that Ronnie '06 = Ronnie '05 + 1/2 (Ricky '05)I guess I underestimated a few things:1. How shaky Culpepper is. Whether it's a health, adjusting to a different team and personnel, or just plain regression, he has looked bad and has contributed to this sputtering offense. Who knows what Brown's stats might be had Culpepper connected on a few more third down throws or taken one sack less in a game?2. How poor the offensive line is. After having seen the good job Hudson Hauck did in San Diego with a collection of no-namers, and also seeing the production the Dolphins had at RB last season, I figured the o-line, while not great, wouldn't be as significant a problem as it has been to this point, especially since they returned most of the line from last year.3. How poor an offensive coordinator Mularkey is. I have a very difficult time understanding how Brown gets 9 carries while the game was still a one possession game for either team (he got 3 more carries after Houston went ahead 17-6). This was Houston, the worst D in the league, and the OC doesn't even try to pound the ball on them? Perhaps it wouldn't have mattered, given the first two problems listed. But I think it is probably easier for an inferior o-lineman to fire off the line of scrimmage and smack the guy in front of him instead of pass block. Last season the Dolphins ran the ball an average of 28 times a game, this year they're averaging 22 rushes per game. It doesn't seem to make much sense to give the ball to your best offensive weapon less (unless Mularkey thinks Chambers is his best weapon). What I've seen from Ronnie this season makes me think he is a talented back. He does appear indecisive at times, but I've seen him run with power and finish off his runs consistently (unfortunately they are usually too close to the original line of scrimmage). But, as with so many other running backs, the other pieces he needs to be successful are not in place. As a Brown owner, this sucks, but it is what it is. Hopefully he finds the end zone this week and I can find an interested buyer (of course, I was saying that with more hope/expectations before the Tennessee and Houston games). Or we could all blame ESPN for touting the Fish as a Super Bowl contender - yeah, that's it.

 

[Synthesizer]

Now on pace for 890 yards rushing this season. I thought he was already at his floor numbers 2 weeks ago?