Rookie DL futures (1 Viewer)

[Jene Bramel]

I was just asked to look over this year's DL prospects for fantasy purposes, and, while I made some rough rankings during the draft, I didn't realize how truly :X the 2006 outlook for these guys looks until now.

Somebody may step up in training camp, but otherwise it's Mario and everybody else.

1 Mario Williams

huge drop

2 Tamba Hali - probably gets the most snaps the soonest and has good potential as a two way guy.

3 Darryl Tapp - next likely to get snaps but not exciting as a two way player and he could end up as a backer/situational guy at best

another drop then come

Mark Anderson (Chi), Ray Edwards (Min), Mathias Kiwanuka (NYG), Stanley McClover (Car), Rob Ninkovich (NO), James Wyche (Jac), Frostee Rucker (Cin)

All of these guys are stuck behind two decent ends already. Those that aren't (Rucker and Wyche) have pretty big blemishes.

In order of talent, I like Kiwanuka, Anderson, and Edwards. I have no idea how I'll rank these guys. No matter what you decide with that group, you're likely to be changing your mind every month depending on who gets playing time soonest.

I'm not overly impressed with any of the fantasy prospects at DT. If you're in a league that uses DT separately, the tackles who are most likely to be used in 3 technique and have the skills to rush the passer include...

John McCargo

Claude Wroten

Rod Wright

Broderick Bunkley

Nearly everybody in this group will be in rotation early on and have minimal value. The sleeper here is Wright. He has the talent to become a Warren Sapp/Rod Coleman type undertackle. He'll learn behind Vonnie Holliday, but if he puts his questions behind him he could be a very nice fantasy player somewhere down the line.

If you absolutely must have help this season, try to get Williams. Otherwise it's wait and see city.

Anybody see somebody they'd put up there with Hali as having some impact in 2006?

 

[Weiner Dog]

This year's draft has Mario Williams and...well...Mario Williams. He's the #1, #2 and #3 DE all by himself.

If you're desperate for DE help, you could always take a shot at Hali. IMO, the Chiefs took Hali a little early, but Herm Edwards seemed very excited to have Hali on his team. I guess we'll know in the next year or two if Hali is indeed better than his measurables.

Tapp is a large drop-off after Hali. I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp. Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT. Fortunately for Tapp, he'll initially be playing behind two unspectacular DE's (Wistrom and Fisher) and the NFC West should produce decent sacks for the next few years (Warner/Leinhart, Bulger, A Smith).

If you're a betting man (...or woman), you could take a huge gamble and grab Manny Lawson. There could be a shake-up in SF in the next 2-3 years. If this occurs and if Manny can add 20-30lbs as he matures, the Niners current 3-4 D could be converted...again...to the 4-3. Lawson could have huge sack potential in a 4-3 IF he could gain some major weight.

Dynasty DE Ranking:

1. Mario

2. Mario

3. Mario

4. Hali

5. Kiwanuka

6. Manny (even though he'll be coded as an OLB for 2-3 years)

7. Tapp

 

[Keg]

i have a few Dynasty Rook Drafts starting on the 15th so i will post the results once they get going....

curious to see where Mario goes

 

[Jene Bramel]

This year's draft has Mario Williams and...well...Mario Williams.  He's the #1, #2 and #3 DE all by himself.

If you're desperate for DE help, you could always take a shot at Hali.  IMO, the Chiefs took Hali a little early, but Herm Edwards seemed very excited to have Hali on his team.  I guess we'll know in the next year or two if Hali is indeed better than his measurables.

Tapp is a large drop-off after Hali.  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT.  Fortunately for Tapp, he'll initially be playing behind two unspectacular DE's (Wistrom and Fisher) and the NFC West should produce decent sacks for the next few years (Warner/Leinhart, Bulger, A Smith).

If you're a betting man (...or woman), you could take a huge gamble and grab Manny Lawson.  There could be a shake-up in SF in the next 2-3 years.  If this occurs and if Manny can add 20-30lbs as he matures, the Niners current 3-4 D could be converted...again...to the 4-3.  Lawson could have huge sack potential in a 4-3 IF he could gain some major weight.

Dynasty DE Ranking:

1. Mario

2. Mario

3. Mario

4. Hali

5. Kiwanuka

6. Manny (even though he'll be coded as an OLB for 2-3 years)

7. Tapp

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I probably should have thrown Tapp in with the rest of the crew behind Hali, especially with the rush LBs the Seahawks have. I'm less impressed with Fisher and Wistrom than the DE pairs the "rest" are stuck behind. I only separated him because I felt he may be the most likely to see significant snaps in 2006.

Unless you like projects taking up roster space at DL and are convinced that somebody from the pack is a sure thing, only Mario and Hali are worth drafting.

 

[Keg]

This year's draft has Mario Williams and...well...Mario Williams.  He's the #1, #2 and #3 DE all by himself.

If you're desperate for DE help, you could always take a shot at Hali.  IMO, the Chiefs took Hali a little early, but Herm Edwards seemed very excited to have Hali on his team.  I guess we'll know in the next year or two if Hali is indeed better than his measurables.

Tapp is a large drop-off after Hali.  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT.  Fortunately for Tapp, he'll initially be playing behind two unspectacular DE's (Wistrom and Fisher) and the NFC West should produce decent sacks for the next few years (Warner/Leinhart, Bulger, A Smith).

If you're a betting man (...or woman), you could take a huge gamble and grab Manny Lawson.  There could be a shake-up in SF in the next 2-3 years.  If this occurs and if Manny can add 20-30lbs as he matures, the Niners current 3-4 D could be converted...again...to the 4-3.  Lawson could have huge sack potential in a 4-3 IF he could gain some major weight.

Dynasty DE Ranking:

1. Mario

2. Mario

3. Mario

4. Hali

5. Kiwanuka

6. Manny (even though he'll be coded as an OLB for 2-3 years)

7. Tapp

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I probably should have thrown Tapp in with the rest of the crew behind Hali, especially with the rush LBs the Seahawks have. I'm less impressed with Fisher and Wistrom than the DE pairs the "rest" are stuck behind. I only separated him because I felt he may be the most likely to see significant snaps in 2006.

Unless you like projects taking up roster space at DL and are convinced that somebody from the pack is a sure thing, only Mario and Hali are worth drafting.

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Kiwanuka might not be a bad handcuff of sorts for owners that drafted Tuck last yr...most likely you would have to think that one of them is the heir apparent to Strahan

 

[Rozelle]

I think this is why Houston drafted Mario 1.01.

I had Mark Anderson ranked up there coming into the draft

Jene and Weiner Dog are right...HUGE fall off after Mario.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The sleeper here is Wright. He has the talent to become a Warren Sapp/Rod Coleman type undertackle. He'll learn behind Vonnie Holliday, but if he puts his questions behind him he could be a very nice fantasy player somewhere down the line.

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Dolphins | R. Wright has torn rotator cuffSun, 30 Apr 2006 23:27:46 -0700

Joseph Duarte, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Miami Dolphins DL Rodrique Wright (shoulder) was informed Sunday, April 30, that he has a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder. He will be evaluated in Miami Thursday, May 4, and will likely need surgery in the next couple weeks. Head coach Nick Saban told Wright the condition would likely worsen if he did not have surgery, "but once it's fixed you'll be good as gold."

 

[Tick]

To me, it looks better than recent seasons.

2004: Udeze and Smith. Udeze had a decent situation but hasn't done much partly due to injuries. Smith was behind Grant and Howard, and didn't do much his first season, though he's done very well in his chances and things look good for next year and beyond.

2005: EJames and... uh... a bunch of 3-4 OLBs. Horrible year for FF rookie DEs, with only James getting a halfway decent situation.

At least this year we've got one guy who's more talented than the guys from recent seasons and also landed in a good situation.

 

[massraider]

  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT. 

Whoa....is that correct?

Dang, how much weight has that kid gained?

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT. 

Whoa....is that correct? Dang, how much weight has that kid gained?

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That's lunacy unless someone can show me a source other than PFT that has that in print.Tuck is a DE through and through.

 

[Weiner Dog]

  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT. 

Whoa....is that correct? Dang, how much weight has that kid gained?

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That's lunacy unless someone can show me a source other than PFT that has that in print.Tuck is a DE through and through.

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It was reported on Newsday within the past month. Unfortunately, the article is no longer archived. However, you can find the initial link here...

link:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ort=NFL&id=3286

Tuck is an amazing athlete. Much like Cory Redding in DET, Tuck's athletic ability allows the G-Boyz the flexibility of getting their four best players on the field at the same time. In all reality, Tuck will probably only play DT on passing downs with Strahan and Osi rushing the ends.

 

[rotorooter]

here's what we got so far for DL.

16 team dynasty:

mario was drafted 1.16

wimbley 3.16 drafted at DE but will cahnge to OLB

hali 4.08

kiwanuka 4.15

tapp 5.03

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

  I would actually take Kiwanuka before Tapp.  Strahan is not getting any younger (it seems like this has been said for 4-5 years now) and Tuck will start seeing time at DT. 

Whoa....is that correct? Dang, how much weight has that kid gained?

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That's lunacy unless someone can show me a source other than PFT that has that in print.Tuck is a DE through and through.

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It was reported on Newsday within the past month. Unfortunately, the article is no longer archived. However, you can find the initial link here...

link:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ort=NFL&id=3286

Tuck is an amazing athlete. Much like Cory Redding in DET, Tuck's athletic ability allows the G-Boyz the flexibility of getting their four best players on the field at the same time. In all reality, Tuck will probably only play DT on passing downs with Strahan and Osi rushing the ends.

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color me Well, if that's what the G-Men want to do, I sure hope MFL lists him as a DT. That would make for a very nice play.

 

[WhoDat]

If you are rebuilding and or need inexpensive help at DL, then pairing Tuck with Kiwanuka is not a bad play.

Strahan can't play forever. There is only so much money a team can tie up on their DL, aging players and their overall roster. As was mentioned, Tuck is a great athlete. The Giants, obviously biased, feel Kiwanuka is raw but possess first round talent. At some point a tough business decision is going to have to be made regarding Strahan and, opinion, it comes sooner than later.

Considering the price tag, it is not a bad option for a cheap hedged bet. Just my opinion.

 

[pretender]

here's what we got so far for DL.

16 team dynasty:

mario was drafted 1.16

wimbley 3.16 drafted at DE but will cahnge to OLB

hali 4.08

kiwanuka 4.15

tapp 5.03

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Our draft so far 16 team high scoring IDPMario 2.01

Wimbley 3.01

Hali 3.08

Kiwanuka 4.10

Tapp 4.11

Mark Anderson 6.03

Ray Edwards 7.01

Chris Gogong 7.02

Jason Hatcher 7.04

Elvis Duvervil 7.16

 

[Musesboy]

Giants | Tuck to line up inside from time to time

Wed, 10 May 2006 10:07:25 -0700

Mike Garafalo, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Giants DE Justin Tuck could see extensive action at defensive tackle on obvious passing downs. The Giants have four excellent pass-rushing defensive ends and will have to find a way to get them all on the field.