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Rookie picks in dynasty leagues next year (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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Obviously landing spots can make a big difference.

1.01 - Giovani Bernard - Whether it's Bernard or Allen, depends on league scoring.

1.02 - Keenan Allen - Could go 1.01 in some leagues.

1.03 / 1.04 / 1.05 / 1.06 / 1.07 - Take your pick, not in any particular order: Eddie Lacy, Montee Ball, Tavon Austin, Terrance Williams, Robert Woods, Andre Ellington, Stepfan Taylor, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Tyler Eifort.

I'm pretty sure Bernard and Allen will go 1/2 in most leagues unless they land in a crappy situation. There is good value in the middle (5,6,7,8) of the 1st round this year and in general more risk at the top, even though I think Bernard is the least risky RB.

 
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Montee Ball in TD heavy leagues on a decent offense.
Wisconsin backs scare everyone and he already has a million carries. Also, two years ago is still fresh in our minds.
I'm thinking more of a time share situtaion where the mileage won't be that of a 3 down back.
It's becoming much harder to land a back that becomes a fantasy stud and isn't relegated to these horrible 50/50 or worse time shares. I can honestly see leagues going to team running games in the future. It's become a true crap shoot with most running backs in the league.
 
Montee Ball in TD heavy leagues on a decent offense.
Wisconsin backs scare everyone and he already has a million carries. Also, two years ago is still fresh in our minds.
I'm thinking more of a time share situtaion where the mileage won't be that of a 3 down back.
It's becoming much harder to land a back that becomes a fantasy stud and isn't relegated to these horrible 50/50 or worse time shares. I can honestly see leagues going to team running games in the future. It's become a true crap shoot with most running backs in the league.
True. I'm also in a league that values the goalline half more the yardage half so it might be different for me. I'm also thinking since he won't go early he might find a better team to do his timeshare with.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
I'd be willing to bet you won't find anyone that would trade Richardson for Lacy. The Alabama fear factor is alive and well with Lacy. Edited to add: Most already believe T J Yeldon is a better pro prospect than Eddie Lacy.
 
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I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
I'd be willing to bet you won't find anyone that would trade Richardson for Lacy. The Alabama fear factor is alive and well with Lacy.
Don't think I indicated anyone should do that trade. But it is interesting that Lacy played at a better YPC than both of those first round NFL draft picks.TJ Yeldon(true freshman) averaged 6.5 YPC this season.
 
Obviously landing spots can make a big difference.1.01 - Giovani Bernard - Whether it's Bernard or Allen, depends on league scoring.1.02 - Keenan Allen - Could go 1.01 in some leagues.1.03 / 1.04 / 1.05 / 1.06 / 1.07 - Take your pick, not in any particular order: Eddie Lacy, Montee Ball, Tavon Austin, Terrance Williams, Robert Woods, Andre Ellington, Stepfan Taylor, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Tyler Eifort.I'm pretty sure Bernard and Allen will go 1/2 in most leagues unless they land in a crappy situation. There is good value in the middle (5,6,7,8) of the 1st round this year and in general more risk at the top, even though I think Bernard is the least risky RB.
When you add in Hunter that looks like a decent 1st round. Maybe someone jumps out at the combine but I think the first few picks are going to be all over the place.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Depends where Lacy goes. Ingram went to one of the worst possible teams for his skill set. Richardson went to one of the best for his. If Bernard goes to ATL, he goes to a great situation due to his pass catching skills. If Lacy goes to CIN, then he too goes to a great situation.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Depends where Lacy goes. Ingram went to one of the worst possible teams for his skill set. Richardson went to one of the best for his. If Bernard goes to ATL, he goes to a great situation due to his pass catching skills. If Lacy goes to CIN, then he too goes to a great situation.
I don't disagree. I'm not saying Lacy is a product of the Alabama system, but the perception of it is there and the Mark Ingram factor comes into play. Therefore, I can see Lacy dropping to the middle of the first round because of this perception. I'm not saying it is right, but I do think it exist. Maybe someone in the middle of the 1st round of a rookie draft will get a steal.
 
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This year, more than most, destination will determine how rookie drafts go... A lot of talents ranked very close, but some fall into plum situations, and some will be BPA to teams that are already set at their position. Vick Ballard and Alfred Morris come to mind as guys who maximized their value in a good situation. So, we could easily see RBs drafted to PIT, ATL NYJ, SD, even on the third day, get into the first round of rookie drafts.

 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?

Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?

Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.

 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
Depends entirely how high Lattimore goes in the NFL draft.For reference, McGahee went for 1.4 in my dynasty league the year he came out.I have 1.11 next year, and he won't make it past me unless he goes 6th->undrafted.
 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
In 12 team leagues with 24 or more man rosters, I can see him going early to mid 2nd round if someone has the patience and can afford to stick him at the end of their bench for awhile.
 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
I think he's worth a 2nd. That said, pre-2nd injury Lattimore didn't look nearly as good as freshman season Lattimore. So, I guess what I'm saying is that while he was still very good this year and wasn't too far removed, I didn't think he looked great after the knee injury so what does two knee injuries mean?
 
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I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
Problem with the compare is people over value Richardson and under value Ingram from a talent standpoint. Ingram will have the better career then Richardson and Lacy is the better RB then TR as well. Fire away..
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
Problem with the compare is people over value Richardson and under value Ingram from a talent standpoint. Ingram will have the better career then Richardson and Lacy is the better RB then TR as well. Fire away..
bold statement here... you could be right. (though imo you have it backwards lol)i like lacy's combination of power and speed (not speedy speed, but enough speed). he's not the most elusive guy, probably because it's easier for him to just lower his shoulder and bulldoze people. he does have a spin move that can break ankles and keeps going until he's down. the speed i'm referring to is the ability to hit the holes and get to the next level. i tried to catch most of the Bama games this season and really liked what I saw. it will be interesting to see where he ends up... he seems like he could be a solid zone scheme back, but coming out of bama with their man scheme who knows.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
Problem with the compare is people over value Richardson and under value Ingram from a talent standpoint. Ingram will have the better career then Richardson and Lacy is the better RB then TR as well. Fire away..
bold statement here... you could be right. (though imo you have it backwards lol)i like lacy's combination of power and speed (not speedy speed, but enough speed). he's not the most elusive guy, probably because it's easier for him to just lower his shoulder and bulldoze people. he does have a spin move that can break ankles and keeps going until he's down. the speed i'm referring to is the ability to hit the holes and get to the next level. i tried to catch most of the Bama games this season and really liked what I saw. it will be interesting to see where he ends up... he seems like he could be a solid zone scheme back, but coming out of bama with their man scheme who knows. i see a bit of marshawn lynch in him... the current lynch not the fresh out of college lynch.
 
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Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
Depends entirely how high Lattimore goes in the NFL draft.For reference, McGahee went for 1.4 in my dynasty league the year he came out.I have 1.11 next year, and he won't make it past me unless he goes 6th->undrafted.
Frank Gore went around 1.12 coming off a less recent injury, but in a time when ACLs were scarier.
 
No mention of Geno? I know many considering him at the 1.01 and he seems to be a lock to be taken in the top half of rookie drafts.

 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
Depends entirely how high Lattimore goes in the NFL draft.For reference, McGahee went for 1.4 in my dynasty league the year he came out.I have 1.11 next year, and he won't make it past me unless he goes 6th->undrafted.
Frank Gore went around 1.12 coming off a less recent injury, but in a time when ACLs were scarier.
I would consider him at 1.12 but if someone takes him earlier I wouldn't be heartbroken.
 
Where do we see Lattimore going in dyansty drafts? Say we are talking 40+ player rosters?Im thinking late 2nd early 3rd depending on situation?Personally Im happy to sit on the guy fir a year, even more so if the league has taxi/IR slots.
I have the #3 and #8 picks this year in a league with 3 rookie/taxi spots as well as 1 IR spot. Very much considering him at #8 if he lands in a decent spot. It's the #3 pick I'm more concerned with.
 
I could see Lacy going ahead of Bernard, especially in non-ppr leagues.
:thumbup: he should steadily rise through the offseason here imo. a lot of people snoozing on him.
Not saying this is a valid reason, but the biggest reason for the lack of interest in Lacy is they see the Alabama system as the reason for his success. Most can see that Mark Ingram is an average talent, yet he went 1.01 in a lot of leagues. Is he more Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson? Or somewhere in between?
Interesting comparison of Alabama RBsMark Ingram's YPC: 5.1, 6.1, 5.5T Richardson's YPC: 5.2, 6.3, 5.9Eddie Lacy's YPC: 7.3, 7.1, 6.4Lacy has 3 seasons all better than the best single season of Ingram/Richardson combined.
Problem with the compare is people over value Richardson and under value Ingram from a talent standpoint. Ingram will have the better career then Richardson and Lacy is the better RB then TR as well. Fire away..
bold statement here... you could be right. (though imo you have it backwards lol)i like lacy's combination of power and speed (not speedy speed, but enough speed). he's not the most elusive guy, probably because it's easier for him to just lower his shoulder and bulldoze people. he does have a spin move that can break ankles and keeps going until he's down. the speed i'm referring to is the ability to hit the holes and get to the next level. i tried to catch most of the Bama games this season and really liked what I saw. it will be interesting to see where he ends up... he seems like he could be a solid zone scheme back, but coming out of bama with their man scheme who knows.
Lacy isn't as good as Ingram and Ingram was ridiculously overrated. There's a reason that Lacy is on the bench in the fourth quarter in most games while a true freshman plays. Case in point, consider the LSU game. Yeldon has a costly turnover but who's on the field when the chips are down? Lacy is a hybrid of Mark Ingram and Brandon Jacobs. The reason his ypc is so inflated is because Bama has one of the all time great o-lines this year. Best back in this year's class is Gio Bernard. I'd go Ellington or Gillislee number 2. Lache Seastrunk is better than all of them but he appears to be returning to school next year to win the Heisman.
 
I think Lacy could end up being a better pro than Ingram. He's got a good size/speed ratio. Certainly looks to have more pure speed than Ingram to my eyeballs. And he's pretty nimble for a big back. I don't want to go overboard with the praise because I don't think he's some kind of a superstar, but he's probably a bit underrated.

 
Lacy isn't as good as Ingram and Ingram was ridiculously overrated. There's a reason that Lacy is on the bench in the fourth quarter in most games while a true freshman plays. Case in point, consider the LSU game. Yeldon has a costly turnover but who's on the field when the chips are down? Lacy is a hybrid of Mark Ingram and Brandon Jacobs. The reason his ypc is so inflated is because Bama has one of the all time great o-lines this year.
Yeldon and Lacy both play in the 4th equally. I just looked at the big game ("chips are down") game logs to confirm. Lacy will run faster than Ingram. Not sure where your "Jacobs" comment comes in; Lacy is an agile guy, especially for his size. Lacy is the #1 RB on my board, but I have seen a lot more of him than Gio; that could change.
 
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The reasons people don't like Montee sounds similar to ones I heard about Forte. Ball can ball. Not elite at anything. Just good to very good at everything.

 
Lacy isn't as good as Ingram and Ingram was ridiculously overrated. There's a reason that Lacy is on the bench in the fourth quarter in most games while a true freshman plays. Case in point, consider the LSU game. Yeldon has a costly turnover but who's on the field when the chips are down? Lacy is a hybrid of Mark Ingram and Brandon Jacobs. The reason his ypc is so inflated is because Bama has one of the all time great o-lines this year.
Yeldon and Lacy both play in the 4th equally. I just looked at the big game ("chips are down") game logs to confirm. Lacy will run faster than Ingram. Not sure where your "Jacobs" comment comes in; Lacy is an agile guy, especially for his size. Lacy is the #1 RB on my board, but I have seen a lot more of him than Gio; that could change.
My comparison of Lacy and Jacobs is that they are both big backs with good straight line speed with poor lateral agility. You know why Lacy relies on his spin move so much? It's the only way he can make people miss. He doesn't plant and cut well. This year Lacy had 184 carries, Yeldon had 154. Don't give me the "Bama always splits carries" argument. Last year Richardson had 284 to Lacy's 90. The best rb in the nation doesn't split carries 50/50 with a true frosh.Prior to the LSU-UA game, LSU dc John Chavis said "Eddie Lacy is a great sec rb, but the guy that keeps me awake at night is TJ Yeldon. He might be better than Richardson." That's one of the best dc's in the nation basically saying "our best chance to win is if Lacy plays a lot". Look at the current nfl rbs. They are mostly small, muscular guys that can cut on a dime. That's not Lacy. He looks like a million bucks running through those massive holes that o-line opens up, it just doesn't translate. At best, he might be the 4th rb taken, but I'd bet he goes later than that.
 
More like a midget version of Percy Harvin.

I wouldn't say he's Dexter McCluster, but he's probably closer to that than he is to Harvin.

He does have dynamic skills though, so he could be a really interesting FF player, especially if he is RB-eligible in PPR leagues.

 
More like a midget version of Percy Harvin.I wouldn't say he's Dexter McCluster, but he's probably closer to that than he is to Harvin.He does have dynamic skills though, so he could be a really interesting FF player, especially if he is RB-eligible in PPR leagues.
don't you know "midget" is politically incorrect? I'ts litt......nevermind. I think you're undervaluing Austin in space coupled with his ability to run routes and catch the ball. That is why I said he could be a better version of Percy Harvin, without the migraines, pun intended.
 
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'EBF said:
More like a midget version of Percy Harvin.

I wouldn't say he's Dexter McCluster, but he's probably closer to that than he is to Harvin.

He does have dynamic skills though, so he could be a really interesting FF player, especially if he is RB-eligible in PPR leagues.
don't you know "midget" is politically incorrect? I'ts litt......nevermind. I think you're undervaluing Austin in space coupled with his ability to run routes and catch the ball. That is why I said he could be a better version of Percy Harvin, without the migraines, pun intended.
:lmao:
 
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'BruceAlmighty said:
Lacy isn't as good as Ingram and Ingram was ridiculously overrated. There's a reason that Lacy is on the bench in the fourth quarter in most games while a true freshman plays. Case in point, consider the LSU game. Yeldon has a costly turnover but who's on the field when the chips are down? Lacy is a hybrid of Mark Ingram and Brandon Jacobs. The reason his ypc is so inflated is because Bama has one of the all time great o-lines this year.
Yeldon and Lacy both play in the 4th equally. I just looked at the big game ("chips are down") game logs to confirm. Lacy will run faster than Ingram. Not sure where your "Jacobs" comment comes in; Lacy is an agile guy, especially for his size. Lacy is the #1 RB on my board, but I have seen a lot more of him than Gio; that could change.
My comparison of Lacy and Jacobs is that they are both big backs with good straight line speed with poor lateral agility. You know why Lacy relies on his spin move so much? It's the only way he can make people miss. He doesn't plant and cut well. This year Lacy had 184 carries, Yeldon had 154. Don't give me the "Bama always splits carries" argument. Last year Richardson had 284 to Lacy's 90. The best rb in the nation doesn't split carries 50/50 with a true frosh.Prior to the LSU-UA game, LSU dc John Chavis said "Eddie Lacy is a great sec rb, but the guy that keeps me awake at night is TJ Yeldon. He might be better than Richardson." That's one of the best dc's in the nation basically saying "our best chance to win is if Lacy plays a lot". Look at the current nfl rbs. They are mostly small, muscular guys that can cut on a dime. That's not Lacy. He looks like a million bucks running through those massive holes that o-line opens up, it just doesn't translate. At best, he might be the 4th rb taken, but I'd bet he goes later than that.
You guys are getting me excited about Lacy.If he goes to a favorable situation like Green Bay or Pittsburgh...I'm in
 
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This should be changed to where the Ed Lacy hype was born
Some things have sure changed since the creation of this thread. The continuing Allen injury news and the Lacy hype has a lot to do with it.
 
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