Rookie RB Class Insight (1 Viewer)

[barker132000]

I wanna get in depth with this RB class. So lets here some opinions on situation and see whos worth gambling on.

Mark Ingram - To me this is a crowded RB situation and Ingram is being taken too high.

Daniel Thomas - A chain mover. I see a consistent 10-12 FF pts per game, solid but unspectacular

Ryan Williams - Should overtake Beanie, but likely always be in a split. Another 10-12 solid PPG?

Mikel Leshoure - I look for Leshoure to be the guy getting 15-20 carries a game, opening up 7-10 explosive carries for

Jahvid Best. Leshoure is my guy to target.

Shane Vereen - I see a talented RB in a situation never great for RBs....New England, sporatic 10-15 FF PPG

Roy Helu - I see oppurtunity and a guy who is going to grow as a RB with nice burst and speed, can't argue with

Drafting him second half of round one OR anywhere in round 2

Demarco Murray - I personally want nothing to do with this guy and im not sure why, i just sense inconsistency and

injury

Kendall Hunter - I predict Gore starts the decline second half of this season, Kendall Hunter becomes a big name in

2012

Alex Green - Total bust, Brandon Jackson part 2

Delone Carter - Great oppurtunity, as Addai and Brown are not the future in INDY, but is Carter any good?

Bilail Powell - Was completely off my radar till dynasty rookie drafts, who is this kid? He looks fast and shifty with

a well built frame.

Jacquizz Rogers - 3rd down back with skills to be more, but will Atlanta let him show it?

Johnny White - I love the way this kid runs, ignore the obvious hair, but he looks a lot like a young Ricky Williams

to me, runs hard.

Taiwan Jones - If Michael Bush is gone, i like this guy a lot, as McFadden has that Felix Jones syndrome.

Poor mans Chris Johnson?

Jay Finley - The guy no one talks about and is barely getting drafted - look at the Bengals RB sitution, theres a

declining cedric benson, and bernard scott whos done nothing. This could be the RB that comes from

nowhere, you cant even find video of this kid, so who knows if hes any good at all.

Da'Rel Scott - Gets no love, but neither did Ahmad Bradshaw a great 7th round find by the giants, who know their RBs

Jaime Harper - Someone is gonna have to tell me why this kid was drafted so high

Dion Lewis - Is truly screwed due to situation and size.

Stevan Ridley - looks very Leron McClain to me, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

Jordan Todman - Uconn produces RBs like Florida produces WR's.......they mostly suck

Allen Bradford - An odd pick seeing as his more talented clone (blount) is on the same team

Evan Royster - cut and signs with the UFL

Noel Devine - Im thinking Miami takes a look at this guy as the speed element to their new running game.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

My initial impression is that you are overrating the importance of situation and underrating the importance of talent. If you're talking from the perspective of redraft leagues it makes a bit more sense, but from a dynasty perspective you're making a mistake imo.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Gore is not as close to breaking down as you think. Kendall hunter is not on my buy list at all.

 

[barker132000]

Im asking for more opinions on these guys......not an opinion on my opinion

 

[ffguru56]

My initial impression is that you are overrating the importance of situation and underrating the importance of talent. If you're talking from the perspective of redraft leagues it makes a bit more sense, but from a dynasty perspective you're making a mistake imo.

And I respectfully disagree. I think all too often rankings reflect too much of a player's talent and not situation. It's my opinion that, particularly at RB, situation plays a huge role. It's a one man position. Talent doesn't seem to play a role in the amount of carries a RB gets if another RB on the team has exploded and already has the starting job. Why switch RBs when one is doing exactly what you want for your team already? Arian Foster comes to mind. Even a mediocre RB on a team that has no competition of carries will help your fantasy team out moreso than a crowded backfield of talented RBs.I apologize not adding to the substance of this thread other than my blabbing to support it.

 

[barker132000]

This is my thoughts exactly. Look at guys like matt forte...fred jackson.....rashard mendenhall.....benjarvis green ellis....i dont think tese guys are supremely talented....but they have enough skills to get it done for their respective teams. And were all very useful in fantasy. The team you go to amd oppurtunity mean a lot imo.

 

[mcintyre1]

I wanna get in depth with this RB class. So lets here some opinions on situation and see whos worth gambling on.

Mark Ingram - To me this is a crowded RB situation and Ingram is being taken too high.

I think Ingram is a vastly better runner than Thomas/Bush/Ivory. He's a natural runner who identifies holes instantly and has the moves and power to move the chains consistently. Will he break of 60 yard TD's? Unlikely. But that's not a requirement of being a high scoring FF player, and I think he immediately gets all goal line and the majority of 1st and 2nd down reps.

Daniel Thomas - A chain mover. I see a consistent 10-12 FF pts per game, solid but unspectacular

Not a fan at all, having watched him play in the Big 12. Big, lumbering, not agile enough to make up for his lack of overall game speed. I think he's going to be a bust, and Miami brings back Ronnie or grabs a FA veteran to take the lead role.

Ryan Williams - Should overtake Beanie, but likely always be in a split. Another 10-12 solid PPG?

Fan of the talent, dubious as to why it didn't show his senior year. I've heard he was injured, but I don't follow VT. Beanie is beginning to reek of a bust, but he's still young. I wouldn't want Williams in the top 4, personally, but I think he's got a more than fair chance to take a lead role in this pairing, and should at least be a solid PPR back eventually.

Mikel Leshoure - I look for Leshoure to be the guy getting 15-20 carries a game, opening up 7-10 explosive carries for

Jahvid Best. Leshoure is my guy to target.

Disagree here. Best is going to remain the lead back in this one, and for good reason. Best is uber-talented, and people are forgetting that. I would have drafted Best over Ingram this year without a doubt in my mind. Leshoure has upside, in that if Best goes down to injury again, he'll get a workhorse's load of carries and catches, however, I think he's limited to spelling Best and punching in GL TD's as things are right now. I'm backed up a little in this opinion by a recent Detroit news article that said: "His role on the team will be as a change-of-pace back to Jahvid Best and to also handle the workload in situations -- four-minute offense (when the Lions are trying to kill the clock), short yardage and goal-line."

Shane Vereen - I see a talented RB in a situation never great for RBs....New England, sporatic 10-15 FF PPG

Really warming up to this one. Vereen is not an elite physical talent outside of his physical strength (I don't see him run on the field as hard as he lifts), but he does everything well. If New England ever decided to have a feature back, Vereen is the guy on the roster. However, we all know that's unlikely to happen. Decent option at the very tail end of the 1st in RB heavy leagues, otherwise in the early-mid 2nd round.

Roy Helu - I see oppurtunity and a guy who is going to grow as a RB with nice burst and speed, can't argue with

Drafting him second half of round one OR anywhere in round 2

Tend to agree. Helu operated in 3 different offensive philosophies as a college back (West Coast, East/West Zone Read, Vertical Zone/Pistol), and excelled in them all when healthy. He has underrated lateral agility and moves. People seem to only have paid attention to his 2010 season, where he was asked to get downfield ASAP and not dance around at all. "Attack the hole" as it were. He's got the speed to make that work and score long TD's (58, 61, 71 yard TDs against Missouri alone, or similar), but I think he was best in the West Coast/Lateral Zone Read system where he was given more freedom to make people miss. Helu is efficient with his cuts and moves, maintaining downfield speed where possible and doing just enough to achieve his goals (1st down, TD, as the situation arises). I also think he will excel as a pass catcher at the next level, something he was very rarely asked to do at Nebraska, which had more to do with the offensive system than his abilities. I wish I could draft him in the 2nd (and if you get that chance, run with it), but in RB heavy leagues, I can buy into getting him late 1st. His value increases even more in PPR leagues, as he should take over the 3rd down back role long term. Final note, this guy is a warrior, and will play through injury unless it is bad enough to take him out completely for several weeks. Helu played a sizeable part of the 2009 season with a bum shoulder, and played through that to break off a long run and then score the game sealing TD in a 4th quarter comeback against then top-10 ranked Missouri. This guy may get dinged, but he will still produce for your fantasy team.

Demarco Murray - I personally want nothing to do with this guy and im not sure why, i just sense inconsistency and

injury

Same, like the speed, but not sold as a all-around runner and I think he'll be a guy that gets dinged and doesn't play through it. I also think Felix takes this job and doesn't let it go.

Kendall Hunter - I predict Gore starts the decline second half of this season, Kendall Hunter becomes a big name in

2012

Disagree here. I never saw anything to love about Hunter in college, and the combine didn't change my feelings in a positive manner. Could he replace Gore? Yeah, I suppose its possible, but I'm not buying.

Alex Green - Total bust, Brandon Jackson part 2

Agreed, looks less impressive on tape than BJax, and I think he'll be solidly behind Grant (if he returns), Starks, and BJax (if he returns).

Delone Carter - Great oppurtunity, as Addai and Brown are not the future in INDY, but is Carter any good?

Good potential, was hoping to get him in the same range as Helu (early 2nd), but in some leagues he's going higher than that. I do worry that Brown could turn it around and take the job, and that Addai might return this year to keep Carter essentially sidelined.

Bilail Powell - Was completely off my radar till dynasty rookie drafts, who is this kid? He looks fast and shifty with

a well built frame.

Great flier in the 3rd round, don't like him as much in the 2nd. He really flashed some brilliance in his senior year, but I worry about his lackluster production in other years, and the somewhat crowded young backfield in NY. That said, if things pan out with him, I think he has the talent to be a productive starter for the Jets.

Jacquizz Rogers - 3rd down back with skills to be more, but will Atlanta let him show it?

Love this guy. Very underrated and has the tools and determination to be a lead back. With Turner aging and Snelling solid, but unspectacular, I could see Rogers fight his way into the starting role within a couple years. But temper those expectations, this is a mid-late 2nd guy at best who you stash for his upside.

Johnny White - I love the way this kid runs, ignore the obvious hair, but he looks a lot like a young Ricky Williams

to me, runs hard.

Honestly, I haven't seen any film on this kid.

Taiwan Jones - If Michael Bush is gone, i like this guy a lot, as McFadden has that Felix Jones syndrome.

Poor mans Chris Johnson?

Great physical tools, worry about whether he can translate that to playing against bigger, faster defenders effectively. Aside from that, he's stuck in a backfield with one very young McFadden and low mileage Michael Bush. As far as I know, Bush should be back, and this guy will likely rarely see the field.

Jay Finley - The guy no one talks about and is barely getting drafted - look at the Bengals RB sitution, theres a

declining cedric benson, and bernard scott whos done nothing. This could be the RB that comes from

nowhere, you cant even find video of this kid, so who knows if hes any good at all.

Meh. Never showed anything when Baylor played Nebraska, which is about all the exposure I had to him. Not worth drafting IMO.

Da'Rel Scott - Gets no love, but neither did Ahmad Bradshaw a great 7th round find by the giants, who know their RBs

Good flier pick, but don't grab him before the mid-late third at best.

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Don't have high opinions or any opinions on the rest

 

[jacobo_moses]

Ok problem with mcintyre1 comment on Ryan Williams

"Fan of the talent, dubious as to why it didn't show his senior year. I've heard he was injured, but I don't follow VT. Beanie is beginning to reek of a bust, but he's still young. I wouldn't want Williams in the top 4, personally, but I think he's got a more than fair chance to take a lead role in this pairing, and should at least be a solid PPR back eventually."

(Problem with this comment is Ryan Williams was a monster his FRESHMEN year and his Sophmore year last year he was injured off and on. So he left for the NFL after his Sophmore year not his Senior year.) Just a slight error.

 

[mcintyre1]

That's fine. I'm didn't realize he was that young. Still worry about the precipitous drop though. Was he injured? Being that young, I would then worry that he might not have been exposed to much coaching in pass protection and some of the nuances of the RB position. I don't know what he was taught, so I don't know that he wasn't, but its something to consider, that he will be less polished than older backs (though RB is admittedly the easiest position to step into and succeed).

 

[Multiple Scores]

Thread title should be changed.

 

[mcintyre1]

Thread title should be changed.

... you'll have to unpack that one a bit. Why?