Rookies after the top 5 (1 Viewer)

[heathbar]

So, I think most people agree that Richardson, Martin, Griffin, Luck, and Wilson are the top 5 rookie picks in varying orders (feel free to disagree). I've got the 8th pick in an upcoming draft and we keep our rookies for 3 years (or longer if "franchised"). So who ya got after those 5, with a 3-ish year window in mind?

Right now the bottom half of my rookie top 10 looks like this: Blackmon, Wright, Hillman, Jeffrey, Floyd.

If you asked me two weeks ago, I would've said I was targeting Hillman with the 8th pick. But, are y'all worried about his recent injury? Should I target one of those WRs instead? I could see Jeffrey doing well with Cutler...

Not PPR, 10 team, 3 WR, 2 RB. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Warrior]

If you keep them for 3 years or longer, Hillman's minor injury doesn't look so bad.

Go with Hillman.

 

[MAC_32]

Depends on team needs, I trend towards Blackmon or Wright but if you don't need WR help in this format (only keep a player for 3 years) I'd be looking at LMJ or Hillman.

 

[EBF]

Blackmon, Wright, or Floyd. In that order.

I wouldn't take one of the lesser RBs there, as the risk doesn't justify the reward IMO.

Assuming that this is a PPR league, receiver is the way to go.

 

[heathbar]

Sorry didn't specify (OP modified). Not PPR, 10 team, 3 WR, 2 RB.

I agree that Blackmon or Wright have a higher floor, lower-risk, than Hillman (or a "lesser" RB).

 

[EBF]

That makes it tougher. I don't know the specifics of the league scoring, but I'd probably still go WR.

I have to really like a 2nd-4th round RB to take him over a high quality 1st round WR.

And I'm just not very high on Hillman/Pead/James this year.

I'd go WR and then maybe see about scooping up Robert Turbin or Bernard Pierce in the 2nd round.

 

[Abraham]

Don't overlook the receivers. In dynasty it can be a coup to grab a good one and have him for the long haul.

 

[Clutch is Eli]

I think an underlooked rookie WR is Rueben Randle. He made an unreal catch last preseaosn game (50 yarder), which really displayed his leaping ability.

NYG is a pass first offense at the moment and although Nicks and Cruz are the 1A and 1B, Nicks hasn't exactly been an ironman in his brief NFL career. I could see Randle outperfomring all other rookie WRs this year. Although he will face some competition for that 3rd WR slot, I tink he has the size, talent and athleticism to strive in the NY offense. The offense itself is alot more promising than Chicago, Tenn, Jax and Arz.

He's without question got more potential this year than Floyd imo. Don't sleep on Randle!

What about Lamaar Miller as a RB?

 

[BallparkFrank]

That makes it tougher. I don't know the specifics of the league scoring, but I'd probably still go WR.I have to really like a 2nd-4th round RB to take him over a high quality 1st round WR. And I'm just not very high on Hillman/Pead/James this year. I'd go WR and then maybe see about scooping up Robert Turbin or Bernard Pierce in the 2nd round.

Hillman, Pead and Co. aren't even on my radar so I'm kind of glad to see your thoughts are similar to mine. The back half of the first round seems like WR territory or nothing to me with perhaps a dash of Fleener and maybe even a late rising Tannehill depending on the next week or so.

 

[duaneok66]

I think an underlooked rookie WR is Rueben Randle. He made an unreal catch last preseaosn game (50 yarder), which really displayed his leaping ability.NYG is a pass first offense at the moment and although Nicks and Cruz are the 1A and 1B, Nicks hasn't exactly been an ironman in his brief NFL career. I could see Randle outperfomring all other rookie WRs this year. Although he will face some competition for that 3rd WR slot, I tink he has the size, talent and athleticism to strive in the NY offense. The offense itself is alot more promising than Chicago, Tenn, Jax and Arz.He's without question got more potential this year than Floyd imo. Don't sleep on Randle!What about Lamaar Miller as a RB?

Aren't Jernigan and Barden (and maybe even Hixon?) running ahead of Randle?

 

[Shutout]

I think Wright might be that guy right now but if we come back a year from now and ask if we had it to do all over again, I suspect Josh gordon will be in this discussion.

 

[DoubleG]

The offense itself is alot more promising than Chicago, Tenn, Jax and Arz.

Ummm...one of the 4 doesn't belong. In fact, the 1 that doesn't belong will probably be just as good if not better than the NYG offense.(HINT: It's the one with a pro-bowl QB, a pro-bowl WR and a top 10 RB)

 

[corpcow]

It's really hard to say because a lot of this is driven also by league dynamics - not just scoring, but what the league values, where you can usually find value in the draft, etc.

I have three dynasty leagues with the same exact format and about 25% overlap in owners between two of them. All are 16-team, contract non-PPR leagues. In one, RBs consistently get over-drafted, without fail. Richardson, Martin, Wilson before Luck or RG3, and Hillman at #6, and Pead and Miller both in the top 12. In another, we had 4 QBs go in the top 12 (yes, someone took Weeden at 1.12). With 16 teams and 6 pts per passing TD, this isn't a bad strategy... but it's the same in both leagues and for whatever reason people covet different positions in each.

So, I think that's worth thinking about. If people are notorious for coveting and not trading a particular position, that means that there's value in other positions, but also means maybe sometimes you have to reach to secure that player.

In a 10 team league, the talent pool is deeper so IMO you should be looking for upside. I think the obvious choice at 1.8 is one of Blackmon, Floyd, Wright or Hillman. If you need RB, then you hope Hillman falls to you. But I think all represent good upside in that there's a scenario where they could be one of the best 10-15 players at their position.

 

[SSOG]

This year, I rank as follows:

Richardson

-break-

Luck

Griffin

Martin

-break-

Blackmon

Wilson

Wright

-break-

Blergh.

If I had the #8 pick, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping one of those seven fall. If they don't, I think the smart play is trading down. This isn't to say that there's no one worthwhile there- quite the opposite. The late first round players are much better than they've been in years past, IMO. The thing is, that tier is DEEP, and extends well into picks 15, 16, or 17. I'd trade down into the early second, pick up some extra value, and gladly scoop up whoever's left, secure in the knowledge that I've got them rated about as highly as the guys I passed on.

 

[socrates]

This year, I rank as follows:Richardson-break-LuckGriffinMartin-break-BlackmonWilsonWright-break-Blergh. If I had the #8 pick, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping one of those seven fall. If they don't, I think the smart play is trading down. This isn't to say that there's no one worthwhile there- quite the opposite. The late first round players are much better than they've been in years past, IMO. The thing is, that tier is DEEP, and extends well into picks 15, 16, or 17. I'd trade down into the early second, pick up some extra value, and gladly scoop up whoever's left, secure in the knowledge that I've got them rated about as highly as the guys I passed on.

This is a pretty good list. Depending on your league's scoring, this order may shuffle some, but the names remain pretty consistent. I play in a dynasty PPR (6 pts per TD, rushing, receiving or passing). I rank the top 12 as follows:LuckRichardsonGriffinMartinWilsonBlackmonHillmanJefferyFloydWrightFleenerTurbin

 

[corpcow]

LuckRichardsonGriffinMartinWilsonBlackmonHillmanJefferyFloydWrightFleenerTurbin

Awesome nicknames aside, I'm not sure I would have Turbin anywhere near my top 12. I'd almost definitely have Pead in front of him, and I know most would have Miller ahead of him too (though, for me, I'm not that high on Miller).

 

[socrates]

LuckRichardsonGriffinMartinWilsonBlackmonHillmanJefferyFloydWrightFleenerTurbin

Awesome nicknames aside, I'm not sure I would have Turbin anywhere near my top 12. I'd almost definitely have Pead in front of him, and I know most would have Miller ahead of him too (though, for me, I'm not that high on Miller).

Admittedly, I am perhaps a bit too bullish on Turbin. Neither Pead nor Miller have impressed me so far.

 

[corpcow]

LuckRichardsonGriffinMartinWilsonBlackmonHillmanJefferyFloydWrightFleenerTurbin

Awesome nicknames aside, I'm not sure I would have Turbin anywhere near my top 12. I'd almost definitely have Pead in front of him, and I know most would have Miller ahead of him too (though, for me, I'm not that high on Miller).

Admittedly, I am perhaps a bit too bullish on Turbin. Neither Pead nor Miller have impressed me so far.

I wasn't THAT impressed with Turbin from what I watched him before the draft, but he has looked good in the preseason. In most of my 16 team IDP leagues (now granted the latest was 2 months ago), he was going in the 3rd at the earliest.If nothing else, worth trading down vs. picking him there, IMO. Then again, I'm also a big Lynch fan and he's a lot younger than most people realize......I'm probably taking Tannehill above any of those guys, though, to be fair. And Randle, Jeffery, Stephen Hill all need ot be factored in.

 

[socrates]

LuckRichardsonGriffinMartinWilsonBlackmonHillmanJefferyFloydWrightFleenerTurbin

Awesome nicknames aside, I'm not sure I would have Turbin anywhere near my top 12. I'd almost definitely have Pead in front of him, and I know most would have Miller ahead of him too (though, for me, I'm not that high on Miller).

Admittedly, I am perhaps a bit too bullish on Turbin. Neither Pead nor Miller have impressed me so far.

I wasn't THAT impressed with Turbin from what I watched him before the draft, but he has looked good in the preseason. In most of my 16 team IDP leagues (now granted the latest was 2 months ago), he was going in the 3rd at the earliest.If nothing else, worth trading down vs. picking him there, IMO. Then again, I'm also a big Lynch fan and he's a lot younger than most people realize......I'm probably taking Tannehill above any of those guys, though, to be fair. And Randle, Jeffery, Stephen Hill all need ot be factored in.

Excellent points, and trading down would be the thing to do if Turbin is the target (which is exactly what I have done with the #12 pick, in fact). Turbin is a bit of a reach at 1.12. Pead is probably the popular choice there, but from what I have seen of him so far in preseason, I believe his lack of size will be a liability. He lacks pop and goes down easily on contact. Tannehill and Weeden are worthy considerations, as are Randle and Hill (Jeffery is my second-rated WR), and I would certainly understand anyone picking them there. I am not particularly high on any of them. I suppose for me Turbin is my 12 by default, but I agree with your analysis.

 

[corpcow]

Excellent points, and trading down would be the thing to do if Turbin is the target (which is exactly what I have done with the #12 pick, in fact). Turbin is a bit of a reach at 1.12. Pead is probably the popular choice there, but from what I have seen of him so far in preseason, I believe his lack of size will be a liability. He lacks pop and goes down easily on contact. Tannehill and Weeden are worthy considerations, as are Randle and Hill (Jeffery is my second-rated WR), and I would certainly understand anyone picking them there. I am not particularly high on any of them. I suppose for me Turbin is my 12 by default, but I agree with your analysis.

For what it's worth, I'm taking Stephen Hill, Jefferey, Randle, and Tannehill before Pead or Miller in just about any format. Weeden, possibly, depending on need and format. (E.g., in one fo my 16 teams leagues with 6 pts passing TDs which are QB premium, he's there just because he's a starter). I still probably like James, Givens, Broyles (sheerly on upside), and maybe even Quick who I am NOT high on at all over Turbin. But, again, that probably stems from my mancrush on Lynch who as I alluded to above is only 26 years old right now, and what I perceived (at least during draft time) as a limited skillset on the part of Turbin.

 

[BigTex]

 

[Bracie Smathers]

So, I think most people agree that Richardson, Martin, Griffin, Luck, and Wilson are the top 5 rookie picks in varying orders (feel free to disagree). I've got the 8th pick in an upcoming draft and we keep our rookies for 3 years (or longer if "franchised"). So who ya got after those 5, with a 3-ish year window in mind?

Right now the bottom half of my rookie top 10 looks like this: Blackmon, Wright, Hillman, Jeffrey, Floyd.

If you asked me two weeks ago, I would've said I was targeting Hillman with the 8th pick. But, are y'all worried about his recent injury? Should I target one of those WRs instead? I could see Jeffrey doing well with Cutler...

Not PPR, 10 team, 3 WR, 2 RB. Thanks for the feedback.

I faced a similiar problem with the tenth pick in a 12 team standard scoring IDP league, this is how the first round played out.(I posted our first round in the rookie-draft thread)

My link

Posted Yesterday, 09:53 AM

First round just completed, people here are only interested in the players and where they went off the board. Twelve team standard scoring IDP league, here's the pertinent information sans team names.

2012 first round rookie draft

1. RB Trent Richardson Cleveland Browns

2. QB Andrew Luck, IND

3. RB Doug Martin Tampa Bay

4. QB Robert Griffin III Washington Redskins

5. WR Justin Blackmon Jacksonville Jaguars

6. WR Michael Floyd Arizona Cardinals

7. RB David Wilson New York Giants

8. WR Kendall Wright Tennessee Titans

9. WR Alshon Jeffrey Chicago Bears

10. LB Luke Kuechly Carolina Panthers

11. RB Lamar Miller Miami Dolphins

12. WR Brian Quick St. Louis

*13. Bonus pick winner of non-playoff round

QB Brandon Weeden Cleveland Browns

For the non-playoff teams the winner of that bracket gets a prize and they also get a 'bonus' first round pick after everyone has picked so the non-playoff teams have something to play for. I saw that idea on these boards and it was such a great idea I incorporated it in our league and everyone loves it.

I pulled an anti-George and decided to take the top IDP player.It doesn't sound like you use IDPs.

I would jump on WR Justin Blackmon or Kendall Wright but if both are gone you might consider WR Alshon Jeffery.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Hillman might have talent but will he still have a qb by the time he takes the starting job?

 

[corpcow]

Serious question - but for you fellow dynasty owners out there - how many of you actually do rookie drafts now? In every one of my leagues, we try to do in April. There's one league which is always late just because the commish is always late with off-season updates, but we still "try" to do it in April first, even if it eventually gets done in June. Still, I've never been in a dynasty league that did a rookie draft in August.

 

[DoubleG]

Serious question - but for you fellow dynasty owners out there - how many of you actually do rookie drafts now? In every one of my leagues, we try to do in April. There's one league which is always late just because the commish is always late with off-season updates, but we still "try" to do it in April first, even if it eventually gets done in June. Still, I've never been in a dynasty league that did a rookie draft in August.

Ours does. We are drafting this weekend (and it's early this year - usually it's the Sunday before the season starts).We are a "live" league, so it works out well over Labor Day weekend (or in this case, the weekend before). In some ways it's good, as injuries aren't quite the randomizing factor they can be. Also everyone typically has a "playable" roster (i.e. no one drafted some guy who got cut or blew out his ACL in TC).

 

[SSOG]

Serious question - but for you fellow dynasty owners out there - how many of you actually do rookie drafts now? In every one of my leagues, we try to do in April. There's one league which is always late just because the commish is always late with off-season updates, but we still "try" to do it in April first, even if it eventually gets done in June. Still, I've never been in a dynasty league that did a rookie draft in August.

We set our draft for after preseason week 3 in order to maximize the amount of information available when making selections. We'd hold it later, but it's a snail draft, not a live draft, so preseason week 3 offers a good mix of giving information (no starters play in week 4) and giving us time for free agency before the season starts.

 

[BigTex]

Serious question - but for you fellow dynasty owners out there - how many of you actually do rookie drafts now? In every one of my leagues, we try to do in April. There's one league which is always late just because the commish is always late with off-season updates, but we still "try" to do it in April first, even if it eventually gets done in June. Still, I've never been in a dynasty league that did a rookie draft in August.

Every (Sunday) Labor Day Weekend

 

[MAC_32]

Serious question - but for you fellow dynasty owners out there - how many of you actually do rookie drafts now? In every one of my leagues, we try to do in April. There's one league which is always late just because the commish is always late with off-season updates, but we still "try" to do it in April first, even if it eventually gets done in June. Still, I've never been in a dynasty league that did a rookie draft in August.

Week after the NFL Draft, reward those that do their pre draft homework and just don't piggy back OTA, training camp reports, and preseason action. My other is different - 8 man college taxi squad which we just did last week. Promote players to the active roster once they're in the NFL. We do a vet draft at the same time, there's some rooks that slipped through the cracks in the college portion but it's for the most part picked clean. Kendall Wright was the only consensus 1st rounder available this year.

 

[pyite76]

DangeRuss......

 

[BallparkFrank]

If I had a rookie draft today, I think I would rank 'em like this:

Luck

Richardson

RG3

Martin

Blackmon

Wilson

K Wright

Jeffery

Floyd

Hillman

Tannehill

Fleener

 

[MAC_32]

If I had a rookie draft today, I think I would rank 'em like this:LuckRichardsonRG3MartinBlackmonWilsonK WrightJefferyFloydHillmanTannehillFleener

My 1st round wouldn't change much from May, Wilson's higher but that's about it. A lot has changed past round 1 though.

 

[Mad Macedonian]

Our rookie draft is happening now, and it's painfully slow in my league. I have pick 1.12 and hope to get Fleener/Jeffery/Randle. I am not sold on Pead/Miller/Hillman. Hillman gets a bump only because Fannin went down with a torn Achilles. I am leary of speedy RB's with hammie issues out of the gate. My list looks like this in our PPR league in sig:

Luck

TRich

Martin

RG3

Wilson

Jeffery

Blackmon

Wright

Floyd

Fleener

Tannehill

Randle

 

[beto]

I don't think the top 5 is set in stone any longer. Blackmon is clearly #5 for me with Wilson #6. After that it seems like Kendall Wright and Alshon Jeffery are the next two. I'd like rank Hillman but it's tough when you can't see what he can do because of the injury. Floyd is dropping like a stone.

 

[simey]

I don't think the top 5 is set in stone any longer. Blackmon is clearly #5 for me with Wilson #6. After that it seems like Kendall Wright and Alshon Jeffery are the next two. I'd like rank Hillman but it's tough when you can't see what he can do because of the injury. Floyd is dropping like a stone.

Russell or David Wilson?

 

[Al Toon's Mole]

I'm always disappointed in the rankings for rookies because there is almost never an IDP inclusion in them.

Wouldn't it be smart to take a top tier D player at the backend of round 1 as opposed to a reach on an offensive skill player who may not pan out?

If anyone has a rookie ranking list, with IDP included I'd love to look at it.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm always disappointed in the rankings for rookies because there is almost never an IDP inclusion in them. Wouldn't it be smart to take a top tier D player at the backend of round 1 as opposed to a reach on an offensive skill player who may not pan out?If anyone has a rookie ranking list, with IDP included I'd love to look at it.

Kuechly would be #8 on my board (he was #9 in my May draft but I've since dropped Floyd a notch), but I'm not touching any of the rest until the end of round 2, probably round 3. Don't know exactly how my board would look today, but then I had Lavonte David and Wagner around #16-20, Kendricks and Barron a few spots behind them, and JMJ, Keenan Robinson, Zach Brown, Brandon Taylor, in DT required leagues Fletcher Cox and in CB required leagues Gilmore as fliers. I don't think there are any standouts at DE in this class, I only like to draft rookie DE's if I see something special because you can usually find decent DE's on waivers before each season and it often takes a few years for DE's to develop. I don't see anything special in this class.

 

[EBF]

Floyd is dropping like a stone.

Based on what? I don't even own Floyd in any leagues, but I would definitely caution against significantly downgrading a rookie based on a quiet training camp.

 

[MAC_32]

Floyd is dropping like a stone.

Based on what? I don't even own Floyd in any leagues, but I would definitely caution against significantly downgrading a rookie based on a quiet training camp.

It's not just been a quiet camp, rumors swirling about effort issues since June to go with the red flags (his head) coming into the league. I'm not dropping him like a rock, but he'd be down from the #8 ranking I gave him in May. I'm more comfortable with at least Hillman and LMJ.

 

[EBF]

I think that's the kind of kneejerk reaction that can come back to haunt you in dynasty leagues.

A lot of great players start out slowly. Even for a veteran of big NCAA games like Floyd, the NFL is a whole different level and it can take a while to get up to speed.

 

[Badm]

I'm always disappointed in the rankings for rookies because there is almost never an IDP inclusion in them. Wouldn't it be smart to take a top tier D player at the backend of round 1 as opposed to a reach on an offensive skill player who may not pan out?If anyone has a rookie ranking list, with IDP included I'd love to look at it.

Kuechly would be #8 on my board (he was #9 in my May draft but I've since dropped Floyd a notch), but I'm not touching any of the rest until the end of round 2, probably round 3. Don't know exactly how my board would look today, but then I had Lavonte David and Wagner around #16-20, Kendricks and Barron a few spots behind them, and JMJ, Keenan Robinson, Zach Brown, Brandon Taylor, in DT required leagues Fletcher Cox and in CB required leagues Gilmore as fliers. I don't think there are any standouts at DE in this class, I only like to draft rookie DE's if I see something special because you can usually find decent DE's on waivers before each season and it often takes a few years for DE's to develop. I don't see anything special in this class.

I agree on take with DE's this year. IDP depends alot on your scoring system. I have Kuechly at #6 and Wagner #7.

 

[MAC_32]

I think that's the kind of kneejerk reaction that can come back to haunt you in dynasty leagues. A lot of great players start out slowly. Even for a veteran of big NCAA games like Floyd, the NFL is a whole different level and it can take a while to get up to speed.

I'm quicker to judge when I think it's effort related when there were already 'head' questions coming into the league. I probably liked Floyd more than most in January, but that seems to be changing. I didn't get the chance to invest in him anywhere so I get to watch from a distance. That said, he may be one of those junk bonds you can buy for scraps next offseason. More willing to invest then, even if I don't feel good about his prospects.

 

[EBF]

Apart from that one tweet from Fitzgerald, is there any indication that Floyd has had work ethic problems since arriving at Arizona?

I ask that honestly because I have no idea.

It just seems like this is Jonathan Baldwin all over again where people might be panicking based on an essentially meaningless incident.

 

[moderated]

Apart from that one tweet from Fitzgerald, is there any indication that Floyd has had work ethic problems since arriving at Arizona?I ask that honestly because I have no idea.It just seems like this is Jonathan Baldwin all over again where people might be panicking based on an essentially meaningless incident.

Baldwin did nothing his rookie year, so he still hasn't shown anything. The panic on him still might be justified.

 

[squistion]

A combination of factors causing Floyd's stock to drop. As mentioned, questions coming into the league, recent ND players not performing up to expectations, the Fitz tweet and an uninspiring training camp:http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6759/michael-floyd

Rookie WR Michael Floyd "hasn't stood out yet" since training camp opened.Andre Roberts continues to start opposite Larry Fitzgerald, with Early Doucet in the slot and Floyd working with the second-team offense. There's been talk of the Cardinals running more four-wide sets with both Roberts and Doucet on the inside, but that will likely wait until Floyd earns the coaching staff's trust later in the season. Aug 23 - 1:29 PM

Hard to get real excited about a player that can't give Early Doucet a run for his money.But perhaps it is that Floyd suffers in comparison to players not as highly regarded in the draft who have been turning heads in training camp and may have fantasy value this year (see Alshon Jeffery). Plus the AZ QB situation is not too inspiring - yes that should be a temporary situation, but who knows for sure? If neither Kolb or Skelton work out, it could be years before the Cards finally find the next Kurt Warner (or even Jake Plummer).

 

[EBF]

Apart from that one tweet from Fitzgerald, is there any indication that Floyd has had work ethic problems since arriving at Arizona?I ask that honestly because I have no idea.It just seems like this is Jonathan Baldwin all over again where people might be panicking based on an essentially meaningless incident.

Baldwin did nothing his rookie year, so he still hasn't shown anything. The panic on him still might be justified.

Except that the panic was based around the idea that he was a bad apple, which doesn't seem to have any grounding in reality. If the Fitz tweet is really the only black eye on Floyd's character since entering the league then that's Chicken Little-ism at its finest.I know that he had some issues in college, but that was all apparent before the draft, so it shouldn't be a factor in why he has dropped since then.After playing dynasty for years, I have to caution against knee-jerk "he's a bust" reactions regarding elite draft prospects. So many times it just comes back to bite people in the behind. I've seen it countless times to varying degrees with eventual successes like Plaxico Burress, Aaron Rodgers, Cedric Benson, Thomas Jones, DHB, Santana Moss, Eli Manning, Rashard Mendenhall, and Larry Johnson. Sometimes a bust is a bust, but in most cases there's a reason why these guys were drafted where they were. I'd give Floyd some time before stamping him as a failure. One rookie training camp basically means nothing. Heck, the guy who is starting over him (Andre Roberts) was in the same position as a rookie. Buried on the depth chart. Playing terribly in camp. It's not a death sentence by any means.There's no way I'd pass on a top 15 pick like Floyd for dime-a-dozen 2nd-3rd rounders, but that's just me.

 

[beto]

I think it's more important to know that Floyd is dropping in the eyes of many. If you still believe in him you don't have to take him at #6, you can wait until 9-11 or even later and still get him.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Where do you guys slot Russell Wilson in rookie drafts now? How high do you have to go to get him and not be the laughingstock of the league?

Saw Jeffery for the first time in pro action last night. I think he had two bad drops, one near the goal line and it appears that they might not be able to sneak in slow motion replays of his targets and get them all in between snaps. I know speed and quickness isn't everything, but I'm just not sure he has the skill set to be great like I was hoping. We shall see...

 

[SSOG]

Where do you guys slot Russell Wilson in rookie drafts now? How high do you have to go to get him and not be the laughingstock of the league?Saw Jeffery for the first time in pro action last night. I think he had two bad drops, one near the goal line and it appears that they might not be able to sneak in slow motion replays of his targets and get them all in between snaps. I know speed and quickness isn't everything, but I'm just not sure he has the skill set to be great like I was hoping. We shall see...

Richardson-break-Martin/Luck/Griffin-break-Blackmon/Wilson/Wright-break-ginormous 4th tier.I wouldn't have a problem with Russell Wilson going anywhere at all in that huge 4th tier, which in my rankings stretches from #8 all the way down to the middle of the second round (somewhere between pick #16 and pick #19). There's no way in hell I'd take him over one of those top 7 guys, though.

 

[EBF]

Wow, that is pretty high for Wilson.

I am in a rookie draft at the moment and I took Foles one spot ahead of him in the 4th round before last night's games. This league does a split draft, so rounds 1-3 were done in early May. We just started up rounds 4-6 a couple days ago.

I still wouldn't take Wilson with a top 10 pick. He's just a QB, and all but the elite QBs are a dime a dozen in most leagues. There are other options in that range like Floyd and Turbin who gain value due to the importance of their positions.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Where do you guys slot Russell Wilson in rookie drafts now? How high do you have to go to get him and not be the laughingstock of the league?Saw Jeffery for the first time in pro action last night. I think he had two bad drops, one near the goal line and it appears that they might not be able to sneak in slow motion replays of his targets and get them all in between snaps. I know speed and quickness isn't everything, but I'm just not sure he has the skill set to be great like I was hoping. We shall see...

Not sure that goalline one was a drop. Defender knocked the ball out as Jeffery was trying to bring it in. It was a great play by the DB. Believe that's the one where Jeffrey leaped high in the air.Jeffrey's gonna be a player. And I think having him on the outside, and allowing Hester to be on limited offensive snaps, is really really gonna help this offense. And make Hester much more effective -- he's not a full time WR.